2021-22 NBA Trade Deadline

[georgiafan]

Re: 2021-22 NBA Trade Deadline

I would say a 2nd round pick if its expiring contract or late 1st if Toronto is taking back a bad contract. They aren't many teams that have 20 million of expiring contracts to trade.

What do people think Dragics value is given that he doesn't want to be on the Raptors, Raptors dont want him, and they dont want to buy him out either, but he would still be a solid role player for a team?

Late 1st? 2nd? Cap dump + pick?

[illwill10]

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76ers trying to include Harris in a trade with Ben (i'm sure they are lol)

https://basketball.realgm.com/wireta...Of-Ben-Simmons

Please lol, heck throw in a 1st round pick in there if they have too.


But seriously, it's a necessary move. It brings cap flexibility getting off both Simmons and Harris contract. It allows future moves to happen easier when have better value contracts. Also helps from a basketball side too. A lot of these proposed deals are hard to speculate because of the potential fit next to Tobias.Tobias is better at the 4 and *could* be the 3 at tines, but it muddies up the potential wing you can get. Also now he's supposed to be the #2 option, but is normally the 3rd or 4th option. But with most deals, he would end up the 4th or 5th option. Not at that contract and don't think his playstyle translate to a 4th or 5th option. I think he is best as the 3rd option with a defined role.

But that's like $68-69 million in cap space alone with those 2. That's would have to be a 3 or 4 team deal to get the salary to match

[King_B_Mack]

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Yooooooo the Sixers are wild bro. Who the **** they think trying to take Ben AND Tobias? They have to be hoping that it ends up being like some 4-6 team deal or something and they go to separate places in the same deal cause that's about $68.99 million in salary from 2 guys getting moved in a season that the salary cap is set at $112 million. Not to mention long term those guys are both owed about a combined $259 million over the next 3 seasons.

[illwill10]

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Yooooooo the Sixers are wild bro. Who the **** they think trying to take Ben AND Tobias? They have to be hoping that it ends up being like some 4-6 team deal or something and they go to separate places in the same deal cause that's about $68.99 million in salary from 2 guys getting moved in a season that the salary cap is set at $112 million. Not to mention long term those guys are both owed about a combined $259 million over the next 3 seasons.

Exactly lol. And it's 2 years left for Tobias and 3 years for Ben after this year. You have to throw in firsts just for a team to even consider Tobias. That's where OKC comes in at. They'll absorb his contract for firsts lol.

[King_B_Mack]

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Exactly lol. And it's 2 years left for Tobias and 3 years for Ben after this year. You have to throw in firsts just for a team to even consider Tobias. That's where OKC comes in at. They'll absorb his contract for firsts lol.

Yeah Tobias is 2 years, I just didn't feel like doing the math of what's left after his deal was over and it's easier to say it the way I did cause regardless of when Tobias' deal ends, trading for the both of them this season would commit a team to paying them that amount over the next three years as Simmons' contract is the longest one. That's the timeframe of getting past that financial hit.

[Majingir]

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I would say a 2nd round pick if its expiring contract or late 1st if Toronto is taking back a bad contract. They aren't many teams that have 20 million of expiring contracts to trade.

Even a 2 year deal I could see Raptors willing to eat if it gets them a 1st. Then hope the following year they could deal that guy when he's on a now expiring deal, even if for a 2nd.

[illwill10]

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Yeah Tobias is 2 years, I just didn't feel like doing the math of what's left after his deal was over and it's easier to say it the way I did cause regardless of when Tobias' deal ends, trading for the both of them this season would commit a team to paying them that amount over the next three years as Simmons' contract is the longest one. That's the timeframe of getting past that financial hit.

Yeah, no team is going to commit that much long term for those 2. Heck, most teams can't match that combined salary without gutting the roster. Out of the interested teams, only 2 "could" do that type of deal without gutting the roster. Wolves could do a Russell, Beasley, and Prince deal. Kings could do a Fox, Hield, and Barnes deal. But on both deals, both sides say no. It would have to be a 3-4 team deal

[georgiafan]

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Dont get made at me, but the lakers might could make it work for both of them if yall got Westbrook.

Westbrook + Nunn + THT = 60 Million
Ben + Tobas = + 69 Million

Yeah, no team is going to commit that much long term for those 2. Heck, most teams can't match that combined salary without gutting the roster. Out of the interested teams, only 2 "could" do that type of deal without gutting the roster. Wolves could do a Russell, Beasley, and Prince deal. Kings could do a Fox, Hield, and Barnes deal. But on both deals, both sides say no. It would have to be a 3-4 team deal

[jfsolo]

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Dont get made at me, but the lakers might could make it work for both of them if yall got Westbrook.

Westbrook + Nunn + THT = 60 Million
Ben + Tobas = + 69 Million

I'd be down for this move.

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[ojandpizza]

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Think this whole thing will come down to nothing or some big 4,5,6 team type of deal.

On the Lakers idea that money works, Lakers only need to clear 7 mil extra on trade machine for Westbrook + Nunn (you cannot add THT yet) so THT's 9+ mil would be enough to make the trade go through.

That's not getting exactly what the Sixers want, but I think Westbrook is a better return that most guys they are looking at or should I say in these "rumors". He has all the strengths Ben does offensively but he wouldn't be scared late in games and that model has already been proven to work for them to a degree.. And he has historically (AD excluded it seems) he pairs as well with a big on the floor as anybody in the league not counting Chris Paul.

For the Lakers, I don't think they would want both Ben and Tobias but would likely be all in if they could offload Tobias for something more useful to them.

To me the tough part for Philly is not getting more immediate contribution from the Tobias replacement.. In other words THT. Supposedly Atlanta only wants a 1st round pick for Reddish. If Philly or LAL were to swing a first to ATL and Danny Green + either THT or Nunn Philly could get back Reddish and Gallo. Reddish is ideal to build alongside Maxey and Thybulle, Gallo is a solid stretch 4 though his defense has faded he does what they want from Tobias more reliably on offense.

[illwill10]

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Dont get made at me, but the lakers might could make it work for both of them if yall got Westbrook.

Westbrook + Nunn + THT = 60 Million
Ben + Tobas = + 69 Million

I'd be down for this move.

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[King_B_Mack]

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Not sure how getting another PG that can't shoot works for the Sixers and if the Sixers move Simmons without getting any usable draft picks back in the deal it's a fail on their part.

They may not win any inevitable Simmons trade, but they cannot walk away from a deal as the loser. They need to either win or come out of it in a win/win situation

[ojandpizza]

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Not sure how getting another PG that can't shoot works for the Sixers and if the Sixers move Simmons without getting any usable draft picks back in the deal it's a fail on their part.

They may not win any inevitable Simmons trade, but they cannot walk away from a deal as the loser. They need to either win or come out of it in a win/win situation

Because point guard who can't shoot but is playing > point guard who can't shoot but isn't playing at all lol.

But I completely get not wanting to do that trade also. I wouldn't necessarily considering get back an All-Star guy a loss for them considering when Ben makes an All-Star everyone claims he doesn't deserve.. But I also know just how weird the general basketball fan treats guys like Russ and Ben anyways and that's part of why trades involving either of them become messy.

[King_B_Mack]

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Because point guard who can't shoot but is playing > point guard who can't shoot but isn't playing at all lol.

But I completely get not wanting to do that trade also. I wouldn't necessarily considering get back an All-Star guy a loss for them considering when Ben makes an All-Star everyone claims he doesn't deserve.. But I also know just how weird the general basketball fan treats guys like Russ and Ben anyways and that's part of why trades involving either of them become messy.

No it's not lol. Not when said PG is leading the league in turnovers and averaging a little under 5 per game and most importantly there are better deals out there to be made. What does Westbrook do for the long term future of the Sixers? Hell what does he do for them now? The Lakers are barely a playoff team and he's taking it in the teeth as the biggest reason for that. THT might eventually be a solid piece but haven't people already started falling out of love with him in LA? Nunn is also just a guy.

I just feel like if you're not getting a promising young piece back or at least a 1st in a deal moving a guy like Simmons with the type of team control he's under, it isn't really worth moving him at all this year.

[illwill10]

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At this point, "winning" the trade should be the concern. What is considered "winning" in this situation. That would be getting someone like a Dame, Beal, Harden, Brown, etc. Not sure, I want to chance banking on a sign & trade for either Harden or Beal. I think that is why they want to include Harris, so they could have better opportunity to free up cap space. At this point, getting off of Simmons and Harris's contract is a win in it self lol. But, not absorbing another huge contract in Westbrook. If he was on an expiring deal, than I would take him in a second.

I'm alright with Maxey as the starting PG. I rather upgrade the Wing. Like I said, if we could do a 3 team that could land us Ingram, I would do that in a second