2021-22 NBA Trade Deadline

[illwill10]

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At best Ben is a complimentary piece or sidekick. I think last year showed that he is not the top guy. Thats fine, but who would he be a sidekick to for the Kings? Fox? Thats a lottery team. They aren't a prime destination for free agents and I don't see good players lining up to join a guy that doesn't want to shoot in clutch moments. We don't know about the two 1sts and if they are lottery protected or what year they are, but if they aren't protected they won't be drafting a top guy. Great trade for Philly but for the Kings its not because it hampers their ability to get a franchise player. Maybe without the Tobias contract?

Giving up what the Kings would be giving up makes sense for a team kind of stuck in that 4-6th seed imo and believing Ben would be enough to propel you into one of the top two or three spots and be legitimate contenders to reach the Finals. If they had another ace up their sleeve to land a superstar scorer as part of a deal involving Fox that could change things.

A trade sending Simmons to the Wizards makes sense if part of a 3 team deal where they keep Beal. Thats not an endorsement though, I don't want him lol.



Agree regarding Fox. If I'm the Kings he is the odd man out. Has just as much to do with who he is on the court as his contract status. I'm intrigued with Fox on the Celtics myself.

You really are trying to manifest the Simmons for Ingram trade lol

I thought a potential Fox for Sabonis deal would have made some sense despite Kings already having 5-6 Centers lol. But with Sabonis's injury, that changes the landscape. If Sabonis's injury is significant, than that really hurts the Pacers. That would mean their two top trade assets are hurt which would mean they either aren't getting as much or scare teams off. They arent getting as much Lavert and Lamb. Which pushes Simmons into the clear top trade asset on the trade market.

I'm trying too lol. But, I feel like it's going to go into offseason. Morey is big star hunting. I just don't want it to be all for a 33 year old Harden. Or honestly Lillard at the point. I just don't want to commit big long term money for potentially 2 good years. Just looking at the NBA landscape, you can come up with a top 22-23 players before it becomes subjective. I don't know why Morey made the top 25-30 player claim because looking at the list I came up with quickly, none of those players are realistic. Unless, you can pull a Vanvleet and OG(which isn't realistic), I just don't know what other realistic trade moves the needle for Morey

[georgiafan]

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Yea at this point its obvious Philly isn't getting a all star caliber player + other stuff. So they will either have to take a package with decent players and future draft picks. If they don't take that its going into the offseason. I assume Ben won't come back so Philly isn't winning anything of substance without him or what they get for him in a trade.

[jfsolo]

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I know that Embiid is trying to show support and leadership for his squad by saying that they're good with what they have now, but IMO he should be putting a lot of heat on Morey to make a move soon, because it's malfeasance to not maximize the team's chances to win a title this year. He should pull a "ship his *** out" move to make sure that the bridge is burned down to ashes.

[illwill10]

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Yea at this point its obvious Philly isn't getting a all star caliber player + other stuff. So they will either have to take a package with decent players and future draft picks. If they don't take that its going into the offseason. I assume Ben won't come back so Philly isn't winning anything of substance without him or what they get for him in a trade.

I know that Embiid is trying to show support and leadership for his squad by saying that they're good with what they have now, but IMO he should be putting a lot of heat on Morey to make a move soon, because it's malfeasance to not maximize the team's chances to win a title this year. He should pull a "ship his *** out" move to make sure that the bridge is burned down to ashes.

Ben is dug in at this point. He's banking on getting the fined money back through arbitration. His value is what it is, it isn't going to increase or decrease if they wait until summer. If they go to summer, than they are banking on other stars value decreases. I don't like the idea of waiting on the summer because it almost forces Morey to land a big name or it will be a waste to get something similar that they could get now.

If there is a chance you can get off Ben and Tobias while improving marginally, than you almost have to do it. That opens up cap flexibility going forward and adding tradeable assets without having to commit long term to any of them. I'm willing to do a move like that where it sets up a future trade while still making us better now.

That brings up the question, Is the upside of Simmons(with a whole year away from ball) better than a couple B level guys with 1st round picks in an offseason trade. I think making move now that can be flipped later is the better option

[ggsimmonds]

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Yea at this point its obvious Philly isn't getting a all star caliber player + other stuff. So they will either have to take a package with decent players and future draft picks. If they don't take that its going into the offseason. I assume Ben won't come back so Philly isn't winning anything of substance without him or what they get for him in a trade.

Yeah if they want a top 30 player they will either have to give up additional assets or it will be a guy in the final quarter of his career.
Otherwise the best they can get is a promising young player alongside solid roleplayers.

I know that Embiid is trying to show support and leadership for his squad by saying that they're good with what they have now, but IMO he should be putting a lot of heat on Morey to make a move soon, because it's malfeasance to not maximize the team's chances to win a title this year. He should pull a "ship his *** out" move to make sure that the bridge is burned down to ashes.

He may be doing that behind the scenes while publicly building up his current teammates.

Ben is dug in at this point. He's banking on getting the fined money back through arbitration. His value is what it is, it isn't going to increase or decrease if they wait until summer. If they go to summer, than they are banking on other stars value decreases. I don't like the idea of waiting on the summer because it almost forces Morey to land a big name or it will be a waste to get something similar that they could get now.

If there is a chance you can get off Ben and Tobias while improving marginally, than you almost have to do it. That opens up cap flexibility going forward and adding tradeable assets without having to commit long term to any of them. I'm willing to do a move like that where it sets up a future trade while still making us better now.

That brings up the question, Is the upside of Simmons(with a whole year away from ball) better than a couple B level guys with 1st round picks in an offseason trade. I think making move now that can be flipped later is the better option

If one of the goals or criteria is to improve Philly's cap flexibility that drastically limits the options available to Philly. There's not a trade out there that can check all the boxes of getting a bonafide all star, improving the team long term, and gaining cap flexibility.
We can come up with one hypothetically, but its doubtful the other team(s) would agree to it.

At some point Philly will have to accept that their goal should be to get Ben out of Philly while getting as much value in return as possible. Right now maximizing value returned is taking priority over getting him out, and it should be the other way around.

I wouldn't like any deal that necessitates a future trade.

[illwill10]

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Yeah if they want a top 30 player they will either have to give up additional assets or it will be a guy in the final quarter of his career.
Otherwise the best they can get is a promising young player alongside solid roleplayers.

He may be doing that behind the scenes while publicly building up his current teammates.


If one of the goals or criteria is to improve Philly's cap flexibility that drastically limits the options available to Philly. There's not a trade out there that can check all the boxes of getting a bonafide all star, improving the team long term, and gaining cap flexibility.
We can come up with one hypothetically, but its doubtful the other team(s) would agree to it.

At some point Philly will have to accept that their goal should be to get Ben out of Philly while getting as much value in return as possible. Right now maximizing value returned is taking priority over getting him out, and it should be the other way around.

I wouldn't like any deal that necessitates a future trade.

I can understand that.

I don't want to bank on a prayer of a Beal, Harden, etc. The cap flexibility route is forgoing a bonafide star without a doubt. The best they could do is get player with upside.

I personally don't care about a 2nd superstar. I'm all for going the Bucks route and trying to construct a team around Embiid. For me, it isn't setting up a future trade. That's as bad as holding Ben until Offseason in hopes of a major trade. It's just keeping it as an option if something comes up. This team is built towards Simmons more so than Embiid. We have Embiid and Drummond and we're still the worst rebounding team. We're full of 6'8 and under players who are mostly slow(outside of Maxey and Matisse) and can't really create for themselves or others.

Plus, as much as I comment on it, I do want this to be over with. There will always be stretches where we look good against good teams or not have enough depth against the rest.

[ojandpizza]

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Apparently Lakers have offered THT, Nunn, first round pick for Jerami Grant. And Stein claims Houston wants to trade Wall for Westbrook if they can get back some draft capital.

I don’t feel like either of those things move the needle at all for LAL..

[bigeastbumrush]

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I’d move Julius Randle for John Wall at this point. The guy has checked out.

[jfsolo]

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I would be over the moon with a Wall/Westbrook swap but Houston is being a little too greedy IMO.

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[georgiafan]

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Apparently Lakers have offered THT, Nunn, first round pick for Jerami Grant. And Stein claims Houston wants to trade Wall for Westbrook if they can get back some draft capital.

I don’t feel like either of those things move the needle at all for LAL..

I dont see how LA would get into the situation where they have basically no options to trade during the year. Your not going to get anything that will help you win a table with that offer.

Maybe you could flip THT for a vet expiring like a Nurkic that’s about all I see.


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[ojandpizza]

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I would be over the moon with a Wall/Westbrook swap but Houston is being a little too greedy IMO.

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Westbrook and a first for Wall just doesn’t make sense unless the Lakers are able to package THT with it to get something back from a 3rd team.

[ojandpizza]

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I dont see how LA would get into the situation where they have basically no options to trade during the year. Your not going to get anything that will help you win a table with that offer.

Maybe you could flip THT for a vet expiring like a Nurkic that’s about all I see.


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They shouldn’t be trying to move THT for anything that isn’t a big upgrade anyways. Which means basically they should keep him unless a multi team Westbrook trade presents itself.

[bigeastbumrush]

2021-22 NBA Trade Deadline

I don’t think THT is as valuable as some of you make him out to be. Just my opinion as an outsider as we all tend to do that with our own players.

[ojandpizza]

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I don’t think THT is as valuable as some of you make him out to be. Just my opinion as an outsider as we all tend to do that with our own players.

I don’t disagree with that, I mean I’m an outsider as well but just so happen to watch all their games because LeBron is there. I don’t really care about the Lakers young talent progression in that sense the way a Laker fan might.

I don’t think THT has near the value some of these Twitter world trade seem to suggest, I just don’t think the Lakers need to move him for the sake of moving him unless it’s an upgrade either. Which is why I don’t really see a trade for him happening.

There are really two versions of THT that exists. And that’s the biggest issue. The games he’s been good he’s been really good, the games he’s been bad he’s done basically nothing with his minutes. As far as trades go I just think the Lakers would be better off both this season and moving forward with hoping that the good THT shows up more frequently than the bad once the team is healthy, whole, figures out their actual rotation. Consistency should come with reps.. I think the Lakers are dead last in the league in minutes played by their main 5 man lineup. They’ve had guys in and out all year, changing starters nearly nightly, no AD, etc.

So for the Nurk trade as an example, the Lakers don’t need a big man. If they did grab one it would need to be a mobile defender not a guy like Nurk. In the Jerami Grant scenario I just don’t see him as a better player. He’s a more reliable defender right now, but his matchups would be the same as AD’s matchups. If the Lakers were to right the ship as a team defensively THT is a better fit than Grant because he can defend the wing/guards where they need the most help. Grant hasn’t been a more reliable outside shooter, and THT’s guard skills and ability to play/defend at the 2 or 3 spot fit better with LAL when they are playing Bron and AD at the 4 and 5..

So for me it’s not really that I think he has tons of trade value, I just don’t think he needs to be moved for pieces that don’t fix their problems. Now if Houston came along and said we’ll take Westbrook, THT, and your first for Wall and say Wood, or Wood to a 3rd team that gets the Lakers help on the wing, then yeah a THT trade starts to make some sense. But like you said it’s tough to see exactly where he should be valued. I just don’t think he should be traded for the sake of shaking things up out of desperation which is what the Grant, Gordon, Ross, Nurk, Barnes, type of trades would be doing. It’s not that I think they could find something way better because THT is valued so highly, I just think they are better off not making the trade if the trade isn’t going to fix their problems.

[Majingir]

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Lol, Rockets really want Westbrook and a 1st (with the intent to deal Westbrook anyways).

I want it to happen just for the pure chaos.

Rockets traded CP3 and a few firsts for Westbrook.

They then dealt him for Wall and a 1st.

And now want to deal Wall for Westbrook and a 1st.

Someone really failed playing MyGM mode.