2021-22 NBA Trade Deadline

[jeebs9]

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Reddish requested a trade during the off season

https://twitter.com/AlexKennedyNBA/status/1482760775500320771?t=X6Rm36Lcyfvr2Gdnv8VkoQ&s=19

I love Fox to the Sixers.

[illwill10]

Re: 2021-22 NBA Trade Deadline

Reddish requested a trade during the off season

https://twitter.com/AlexKennedyNBA/status/1482760775500320771?t=X6Rm36Lcyfvr2Gdnv8VkoQ&s=19

I love Fox to the Sixers.

I'm good on Fox. Maxey essentially gives us as similar game and currently gives us more 3pt shooting. If you were to say Fox before the season, definitely. But Maxey has shown a lot of promise

I'd rather improve the wing.

[jeebs9]

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I'm good on Fox. Maxey essentially gives us as similar game and currently gives us more 3pt shooting. If you were to say Fox before the season, definitely. But Maxey has shown a lot of promise



I'd rather improve the wing.

I can agree with you on that point

[jeebs9]

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Trade alert for Bol... Again lol. It's not important enough for the details lol

[ojandpizza]

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It’s a solid trade for Denver though.

[georgiafan]

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any truth to this philly rumor?

@LegionHoops
REPORT: The Kings weighed a trade package of Buddy Hield, Tyrese Haliburton, Harrison Barnes and 2 1st-round picks for Ben Simmons, Matisse Thybulle, and Tobias Harris, via (
@PompeyOnSixers

The 76ers showed no interest.

[illwill10]

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any truth to this philly rumor?

@LegionHoops
REPORT: The Kings weighed a trade package of Buddy Hield, Tyrese Haliburton, Harrison Barnes and 2 1st-round picks for Ben Simmons, Matisse Thybulle, and Tobias Harris, via (
@PompeyOnSixers

The 76ers showed no interest.

Not sure. That best reporter is usually tapped into what's going on around team.

Me, I would take that deal right now. Way better compared to that recent Pistons deal that included Grant, Bey, and Olyinik. Just getting off that Tobias contract as the highlight of the deal. Don't really want to give up Thybulle though.


I don't like the idea of waiting on a S&T in the offseason for Harden. But, this is the type of deal that could still allow you to make a big trade in the off-season, while improving this year. Unless they could get someone like Brandon Ingram, not sure what other realistic deal you could get than this.

[ojandpizza]

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any truth to this philly rumor?

@LegionHoops
REPORT: The Kings weighed a trade package of Buddy Hield, Tyrese Haliburton, Harrison Barnes and 2 1st-round picks for Ben Simmons, Matisse Thybulle, and Tobias Harris, via (
@PompeyOnSixers

The 76ers showed no interest.

Not sure. That best reporter is usually tapped into what's going on around team.

Me, I would take that deal right now. Way better compared to that recent Pistons deal that included Grant, Bey, and Olyinik. Just getting off that Tobias contract as the highlight of the deal. Don't really want to give up Thybulle though.


I don't like the idea of waiting on a S&T in the offseason for Harden. But, this is the type of deal that could still allow you to make a big trade in the off-season, while improving this year. Unless they could get someone like Brandon Ingram, not sure what other realistic deal you could get than this.

I like the long term benefits of Haliburton and his size paired with Maxey lets them play both guards without going "small".. But I hate that trade from every other angle for Philly.

IMO they are going to want a trade that helps them longer term but also helps them contend now and I don't think that trade does that. You lose a ton of defensive versatility by shipping out Ben and Thybulle. A defensive backcourt that relies on Buddy, Curry, Maxey, Halibruton is just small and won't get it done. Given that their toughest matchups will be guys like Durant, Giannis, Tatum, even DeRozan, Jimmy, etc those guys would absolutely feast and Philly's best option becomes playing Danny Green 40 minutes a night in the playoffs.

Barnes and Harris is basically a wash, Barnes is better as a 4, stronger, can even run some small ball 5 if needed.. But Harris is the quicker player, he can create his own shot, and is more switchable on the wing.. If Philly were to pull this trade Maxey becomes their best shot creator by a mile, and Barnes just adds another guy who isn't quick enough to guard the guys they are already too small to defend from the other players.

Could Barnes and those two first be flipped to Detroit for Grant? Or to Indiana with Green for LeVert and Warren, or could Buddy be sent to a third team? I would think Philly would want to expand that move a bit.

But I've also really soured on Buddy Hield. If Philly considers him a guy who can be a difference maker then maybe it makes more sense for them. To me Curry is currently the substantially better player.

[illwill10]

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I like the long term benefits of Haliburton and his size paired with Maxey lets them play both guards without going "small".. But I hate that trade from every other angle for Philly.

IMO they are going to want a trade that helps them longer term but also helps them contend now and I don't think that trade does that. You lose a ton of defensive versatility by shipping out Ben and Thybulle. A defensive backcourt that relies on Buddy, Curry, Maxey, Halibruton is just small and won't get it done. Given that their toughest matchups will be guys like Durant, Giannis, Tatum, even DeRozan, Jimmy, etc those guys would absolutely feast and Philly's best option becomes playing Danny Green 40 minutes a night in the playoffs.

Barnes and Harris is basically a wash, Barnes is better as a 4, stronger, can even run some small ball 5 if needed.. But Harris is the quicker player, he can create his own shot, and is more switchable on the wing.. If Philly were to pull this trade Maxey becomes their best shot creator by a mile, and Barnes just adds another guy who isn't quick enough to guard the guys they are already too small to defend from the other players.

Could Barnes and those two first be flipped to Detroit for Grant? Or to Indiana with Green for LeVert and Warren, or could Buddy be sent to a third team? I would think Philly would want to expand that move a bit.

But I've also really soured on Buddy Hield. If Philly considers him a guy who can be a difference maker then maybe it makes more sense for them. To me Curry is currently the substantially better player.

I can understand that.

Only Joel is truly untouchable. But, Morey has shown that he is only including Maxey or Thybulle in a deal that returns a legit star. I don't want to trade Thybulle because he's the type of player you want in a playoff series. Curry is on the same tier as those two because he's been the most consistent player throughout and the 2 Man game with Embiid is 💰.

I agree with Barnes and Harris. You're essentially trading for a better contract. But, I have to disagree on the assessment of Tobias's offensive game. In theory, yes he can "create his own shot", but far from efficient. Too much time is spent over dribbling and taking contested shots. I think he's shooting just at 30% from 3pt. This year, showed that he needs an elite playmaker like Simmons to set him up. At least with Barnes, you'll have a more consistent shooter(at least % wise). Hield would be the 6th man.

At the end of the day, Sixers need a Playmaker, Upgrade at Wing, and more athleticism. Ideally Tobias needs to get moved because of potential fit issues and cap flexibility. I just don't want the end goal to be James Harden.

[ggsimmonds]

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any truth to this philly rumor?

@LegionHoops
REPORT: The Kings weighed a trade package of Buddy Hield, Tyrese Haliburton, Harrison Barnes and 2 1st-round picks for Ben Simmons, Matisse Thybulle, and Tobias Harris, via (
@PompeyOnSixers

The 76ers showed no interest.

I really don't see Philly getting anything much more than that. If there is truth to it, I think Philly made a mistake by not accepting or at least entering discussions. Thybulle is the only thing I would hesitate on, but he doesn't outweigh the pros of the deal.

The reason I would question the truth to it is because it doesn't make a lot of sense for the Kings. Fox doesn't have a great shot. Ben obviously doesn't. And pair those two up with Tobias? I'm struggling to see what they gain from it. It would be a very bad deal for them

[illwill10]

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I really don't see Philly getting anything much more than that. If there is truth to it, I think Philly made a mistake by not accepting or at least entering discussions. Thybulle is the only thing I would hesitate on, but he doesn't outweigh the pros of the deal.

The reason I would question the truth to it is because it doesn't make a lot of sense for the Kings. Fox doesn't have a great shot. Ben obviously doesn't. And pair those two up with Tobias? I'm struggling to see what they gain from it. It would be a very bad deal for them

I agree. Unless it is a 3-4 team deal where they get a couple B level players from each team that fills major need, not sure there's a better 2 team trade out there. Really don't want give up Thybulle.

Is Fox-Mitchell-Harris-Simmons-Holmes a good lineup? Defensively should be an upgrade. But, it could be a lot of poor shooting nights. It could be good enough to get them into Play-in. If you could get 20-21 Harris, maybe that helps. But, their best scorers would be Fox and Harris. So does that make sense, no.

Fox doesn't make sense for 76ers because of Maxey. Fox would need to be in a 3 team deal. Outside of my ideal player in Brandon Ingram, what's the best player Fox could bring the net Sixers that fills a need at wing

[ggsimmonds]

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I agree. Unless it is a 3-4 team deal where they get a couple B level players from each team that fills major need, not sure there's a better 2 team trade out there. Really don't want give up Thybulle.

Is Fox-Mitchell-Harris-Simmons-Holmes a good lineup? Defensively should be an upgrade. But, it could be a lot of poor shooting nights. It could be good enough to get them into Play-in. If you could get 20-21 Harris, maybe that helps. But, their best scorers would be Fox and Harris. So does that make sense, no.

Fox doesn't make sense for 76ers because of Maxey. Fox would need to be in a 3 team deal. Outside of my ideal player in Brandon Ingram, what's the best player Fox could bring the net Sixers that fills a need at wing

It may be an immediate short term improvement to the lineup, but at the cost of severely lowering the long term ceiling. Haliburton plus two 1sts? Thats not a rebuilding trade, thats a "get one final piece to get over the hump" kind of deal

[ojandpizza]

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It all depends what they get out of Ben. He’s only 4 years older than Haliburton. Young enough to be a cornerstone piece for the next decade still.

[illwill10]

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It may be an immediate short term improvement to the lineup, but at the cost of severely lowering the long term ceiling. Haliburton plus two 1sts? Thats not a rebuilding trade, thats a "get one final piece to get over the hump" kind of deal

If I'm the Kings, I'm not trading Haliburton. I don't get the idea of building around him an Fox, especially when they just drafted Mitchell. That's what happens when you go BPA at certain positions. Unless, the player(s) are versatile enough to fit together, you end up trading the one. I'd trade Fox. If it's a just Simmons deal, that could end up being a good deal, especially if they could keep Barnes. I think a Mitchell-Haliburton-Barnes-Simmons-Holmes lineup is good. It should be a great defensive lineup, multiple ball handlers and playmakers, should have enough spacing. But, would need to be a scoring by committee team.

But as been said, Fox doesn't make as much sense now as it would have in the off-season because of Maxey. Maxey has shown enough so far, where I'd stick with him over other young guards. So what 3rd team deal would satisfy Morey enough to facilitate a Ben for Fox centered deal where Fox goes to the 3rd team and Sixers get a "top 30" player. Only thing that makes sense to me is the one I've been trying to speak into existence involving Pelicans. Is BI a "top 30" player? I think he is at least fringe top 30 or at least getting there I think Fox, Zion, JV is a better trio surrounded by 3 & D wings is better than a Frontcourt of BI, Zion, JV. I think BI could pair well with Embiid, just don't know how well BI fits alongside Harris though. But, not sure Pelicans would do that. I think goal is still Play-In in case Zion ever gets cleared since they are only 2 back from 10th spot. But, if I were the Pelicans, I would shut down Zion completely for the year and not even attempt to get to the Play-in. Their first is lottery protected, so I rather keep the pick instead of fighting just to get to the Play-In.

[ggsimmonds]

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It all depends what they get out of Ben. He’s only 4 years older than Haliburton. Young enough to be a cornerstone piece for the next decade still.

At best Ben is a complimentary piece or sidekick. I think last year showed that he is not the top guy. Thats fine, but who would he be a sidekick to for the Kings? Fox? Thats a lottery team. They aren't a prime destination for free agents and I don't see good players lining up to join a guy that doesn't want to shoot in clutch moments. We don't know about the two 1sts and if they are lottery protected or what year they are, but if they aren't protected they won't be drafting a top guy. Great trade for Philly but for the Kings its not because it hampers their ability to get a franchise player. Maybe without the Tobias contract?

Giving up what the Kings would be giving up makes sense for a team kind of stuck in that 4-6th seed imo and believing Ben would be enough to propel you into one of the top two or three spots and be legitimate contenders to reach the Finals. If they had another ace up their sleeve to land a superstar scorer as part of a deal involving Fox that could change things.

A trade sending Simmons to the Wizards makes sense if part of a 3 team deal where they keep Beal. Thats not an endorsement though, I don't want him lol.

If I'm the Kings, I'm not trading Haliburton. I don't get the idea of building around him an Fox, especially when they just drafted Mitchell. That's what happens when you go BPA at certain positions. Unless, the player(s) are versatile enough to fit together, you end up trading the one. I'd trade Fox. If it's a just Simmons deal, that could end up being a good deal, especially if they could keep Barnes. I think a Mitchell-Haliburton-Barnes-Simmons-Holmes lineup is good. It should be a great defensive lineup, multiple ball handlers and playmakers, should have enough spacing. But, would need to be a scoring by committee team.

But as been said, Fox doesn't make as much sense now as it would have in the off-season because of Maxey. Maxey has shown enough so far, where I'd stick with him over other young guards. So what 3rd team deal would satisfy Morey enough to facilitate a Ben for Fox centered deal where Fox goes to the 3rd team and Sixers get a "top 30" player. Only thing that makes sense to me is the one I've been trying to speak into existence involving Pelicans. Is BI a "top 30" player? I think he is at least fringe top 30 or at least getting there I think Fox, Zion, JV is a better trio surrounded by 3 & D wings is better than a Frontcourt of BI, Zion, JV. I think BI could pair well with Embiid, just don't know how well BI fits alongside Harris though. But, not sure Pelicans would do that. I think goal is still Play-In in case Zion ever gets cleared since they are only 2 back from 10th spot. But, if I were the Pelicans, I would shut down Zion completely for the year and not even attempt to get to the Play-in. Their first is lottery protected, so I rather keep the pick instead of fighting just to get to the Play-In.

Agree regarding Fox. If I'm the Kings he is the odd man out. Has just as much to do with who he is on the court as his contract status. I'm intrigued with Fox on the Celtics myself.

You really are trying to manifest the Simmons for Ingram trade lol