NBA Off Topic Thread

[Majingir]

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https://x.com/BrettSiegelNBA/status/1749243693570076703?s=20

Only deals I can see are:

Knicks: Fournier + 1st
Lakers: 1st + ???

I don't even know what the Lakers would add in to make it work

[ojandpizza]

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https://x.com/BrettSiegelNBA/status/...570076703?s=20

Only deals I can see are:

Knicks: Fournier + 1st
Lakers: 1st + ???

I don't even know what the Lakers would add in to make it work

They don’t even hardly play Rui so that’s most of the money there. Something like Rui, JHS, and a first would be my guess.

As good of a glue guy as Brown is idk how Rob/Jeanie would have any confidence in Ham getting the most out of a player who thrives off ball. Their offense utilizes no movement. Somehow their offense under Ham is even less creative than it was under Frank.

Maybe they feel Brown fits the need of having a point of attack defender. But the weakness is at the guard spot and I’m not sure how well Brown can stay in front of the shiftiest of guards.

Not that it’s a horrible trade if Rui isn’t going to be a part of the rotation anyways. And it’s almost addition by subtraction if it means Brown takes all of Cam’s minutes.. but trading their fist for Brown means they can’t attach it to a DLo/Vincent trade.

Lakers are in a weird spot. They have some avenues to fix some of their problems now but if they wait until the off-season that have 3 first round picks they can use instead of 1. Unfortunately for Rob/Jeanie they can’t really afford to wait it out given their timeline.

I think so long as the Lakers don’t add an extra 4+ million from incoming trades they can still add buyout players under this new CBA. So for example if they move Rui in a trade they could theoretically maybe get a guy like Bogdanovic, or Hayward in the buyout market to replace him.

But that’s also why attaching Rui+DLo and maybe Vincent too in order to land a bigger fish also makes sense. Trading the first to Toronto to get Brown won’t help them land Murray from ATL for example. But “rumors” suggest they are also interested in Grant, Brogdon, Trent Jr, Dinwiddie, Sexton, Jones and Gafford.. literally any player that’s available [emoji23].

Also worth noting Windhorst suggested that the Lakers would likely prefer a trade that sheds about 2 mil. That would get them out of repeater tax this year and drops about 15 million in tax money. So something like adding DLo to that trade to swap for Dennis makes that money work also. But at the same time Murray who’s rumored to be their primary target is like 4 million dollars cheaper than Brown.

Worth noting that DLo and Brown don’t like each other. So I doubt the Lakers plan to have them both on the roster.

[Majingir]

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They don’t even hardly play Rui so that’s most of the money there. Something like Rui, JHS, and a first would be my guess.

As good of a glue guy as Brown is idk how Rob/Jeanie would have any confidence in Ham getting the most out of a player who thrives off ball. Their offense utilizes no movement. Somehow their offense under Ham is even less creative than it was under Frank.

Maybe they feel Brown fits the need of having a point of attack defender. But the weakness is at the guard spot and I’m not sure how well Brown can stay in front of the shiftiest of guards.

Not that it’s a horrible trade if Rui isn’t going to be a part of the rotation anyways. And it’s almost addition by subtraction if it means Brown takes all of Cam’s minutes.. but trading their fist for Brown means they can’t attach it to a DLo/Vincent trade.

Lakers are in a weird spot. They have some avenues to fix some of their problems now but if they wait until the off-season that have 3 first round picks they can use instead of 1. Unfortunately for Rob/Jeanie they can’t really afford to wait it out given their timeline.

I think so long as the Lakers don’t add an extra 4+ million from incoming trades they can still add buyout players under this new CBA. So for example if they move Rui in a trade they could theoretically maybe get a guy like Bogdanovic, or Hayward in the buyout market to replace him.

But that’s also why attaching Rui+DLo and maybe Vincent too in order to land a bigger fish also makes sense. Trading the first to Toronto to get Brown won’t help them land Murray from ATL for example. But “rumors” suggest they are also interested in Grant, Brogdon, Trent Jr, Dinwiddie, Sexton, Jones and Gafford.. literally any player that’s available [emoji23].

Also worth noting Windhorst suggested that the Lakers would likely prefer a trade that sheds about 2 mil. That would get them out of repeater tax this year and drops about 15 million in tax money. So something like adding DLo to that trade to swap for Dennis makes that money work also. But at the same time Murray who’s rumored to be their primary target is like 4 million dollars cheaper than Brown.

Worth noting that DLo and Brown don’t like each other. So I doubt the Lakers plan to have them both on the roster.

Lakers would be interesting because they can't technically deal their pick since the Pelicans have the rights to 2024 or 2025. Even if Pelicans got 2024, wouldn't Lakers have to wait until after the draft to deal the 2025 1st?

Which is why the Fournier deal makes lots of sense. Knicks don't lose anything by him leaving, Raptors get an expiring deal, and the 1st could be one of the many the Knicks have.

[ojandpizza]

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Lakers would be interesting because they can't technically deal their pick since the Pelicans have the rights to 2024 or 2025. Even if Pelicans got 2024, wouldn't Lakers have to wait until after the draft to deal the 2025 1st?

Which is why the Fournier deal makes lots of sense. Knicks don't lose anything by him leaving, Raptors get an expiring deal, and the 1st could be one of the many the Knicks have.

Lakers pick in all these trade scenarios and deadline rumors is the 2029 pick.

If the Lakers wait until the draft they can either trade 2024/2025 depending on which the Pelicans take and two more for three total picks.

I feel like the most likely move for them is a star-level or borderline star-level player’s value goes low enough for the one first rounder, or of all the players they are showing interest in they make the trade based on who will take swaps and 2nds instead of the first. I don’t know that I buy them throwing the first at a role player but I could be dead wrong. But they’d have to feel like that player jumps them to contention IMO.

Obviously pipe-dream scenario for them would be Toronto taking some combo of swaps/2nds for Brown and then moving the first for Murray. That pretty much checks all their boxes especially if they land a shooter in the buyout market like Bogdanovic/Hayward.

I feel like a lot of this depends on what they feel like Gabe Vincent’s value is. If they view him as a centerpiece once healthy trading for a guard isn’t a huge need. Even 6’4 Brown might not be a need.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Some news from Shams regarding Murray/Russell/Lakers

https://x.com/dimealerts/status/1749469119282315382?s=46&t=bmmyw4g-qEId3d4KHhv-qw

Marks gonna end getting involved and bringing that MFer back, I already see it lol

[LowerWolf]

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I haven't really been paying attention this season, but why are the Hawks shopping Murray?

I know they're not having a great season, but I thought he was one of the pieces to build around?

[georgiafan]

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The pairing of him and Trae hasn't worked out as good as it was suppose to. Because Trae can't do anything off the ball and Murray is a below average defender that gets steals. Murray needs to be a starting PG instead of a SG. It also seems like he wants to be traded as well and was mostly just brought in bc Trae wanted him.

Hawks don't control their own pick the next three years (one of those a swap). So this can't be a tank job from Atlanta.

I haven't really been paying attention this season, but why are the Hawks shopping Murray?

I know they're not having a great season, but I thought he was one of the pieces to build around?

[illwill10]

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The pairing of him and Trae hasn't worked out as good as it was suppose to. Because Trae can't do anything off the ball and Murray is a below average defender that gets steals. Murray needs to be a starting PG instead of a SG. It also seems like he wants to be traded as well and was mostly just brought in bc Trae wanted him.

Hawks don't control their own pick the next three years (one of those a swap). So this can't be a tank job from Atlanta.

I know Sixers have been linked to Murray. I'm good on him. In theory, he'd be a better fit next to Maxey compared to Trae. While Maxey had a great start to the season when it came to getting assists and low turnovers, Maxey is still better suited as a SG/Score-first. Lately they have been dialing back Maxey's primary ball handler duties especially when subs come in, they have Pat Bev run the PG and Maxey as SG. Adding Murray would allow, Sixers to stagger minutes more and have a solid backcourt of Maxey, Murray, Melton, and Pat Bev. But, I'm good on Murray because I don't think he's the "go for it" move. If he was more of a knockdown spot up shoot and a plus point of attack defender, I would be down for the move. But with his extension, you would have to sure before you use the assets you have on Murray.

As far on Sixers, I don't think they should make a move to make a move, but don't think they should stand Pat and go for the Cap Space path. With all the recent moves, the cap space path isn't as enticing. Assuming PG13 extends and don't want a 40 year old Bron, the cap space plan would be adding multiple role players. I would rather go for the role players now. Don't want Lavine or Murray. As of now, my ideal trade would be acquiring Caruso and Drummond. Salary wise it would just take Covington alone, but would throw in Bamba as well. Caruso would improve the perimeter defense and add another dog. Drummond would improve rebounding and a bigger body. Paul Reed has been up and down all year, and mostly down and has gotten pulled.

[georgiafan]

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Murray is a good player, but he is like a #3 type option on a championship team. Him in Philly is a better pairing as he would have other players to be the #1 on defense. Him as the SG in atlanta meant sometimes he had to guard bigger wings. Many people don't expect him to shot at this level from 3.

The asking price is two 1st and probably expiring deals. Atlanta shouldn't just give him away for filler and 1st round pick.

[ojandpizza]

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Some news from Shams regarding Murray/Russell/Lakers

https://x.com/dimealerts/status/1749469119282315382?s=46&t=bmmyw4g-qEId3d4KHhv-qw

Marks gonna end getting involved and bringing that MFer back, I already see it lol

My only thoughts on this is if the Hawks don't want DLo and the whole issue is off-loading him elsewhere why not package other players instead?

I'm not against the idea of the Lakers moving DLo, his ball-in-hand play at his own pace style doesn't mix well with their stars at times. It makes more sense for someone who defends a bit better or plays more off ball.. But there is also no denying that when he gets it going he's a player who outplays his 17m contract either. He's way too streaky for them to rely on him being that 3rd guy, but when he's on a hot streak like he is now he greatly raises their ceiling.

Vincent and JHS is enough to match the money, adding Prince or Vando keeps them under the 2nd tax threshold so they can be active in the buyout market. Those players have smaller contracts and in theory would be much easier to move to 3rd/4th teams.

Gabe and JHS aren't in the rotation at all. So the trade is essentially something like Prince for Murray. That leaves the Lakers with the same playoff roster that made the WCF last year but Murray instead of Schroder and Wood instead of Tristan Thompson. A sizeable upgrade and moves either Reaves/DLo back to that 6th man role.

[georgiafan]

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Hawks owner is cheap and doesn't want to pay the luxury tax. I think DLo's player option would put them close or maybe even above the line.

My only thoughts on this is if the Hawks don't want DLo and the whole issue is off-loading him elsewhere why not package other players instead?

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[ojandpizza]

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Hawks owner is cheap and doesn't want to pay the luxury tax. I think DLo's player option would put them close or maybe even above the line.

I know, my thought was more so those other smaller contracts would be easier to re-route than DLo's contract. Plus JHS might be an asset worth keeping for them, and Prince a player worth playing this season if they are trying to make a playoff push. Just makes more sense for both sides IMO.

[Majingir]

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Lakers pick in all these trade scenarios and deadline rumors is the 2029 pick.

If the Lakers wait until the draft they can either trade 2024/2025 depending on which the Pelicans take and two more for three total picks.

I feel like the most likely move for them is a star-level or borderline star-level player’s value goes low enough for the one first rounder, or of all the players they are showing interest in they make the trade based on who will take swaps and 2nds instead of the first. I don’t know that I buy them throwing the first at a role player but I could be dead wrong. But they’d have to feel like that player jumps them to contention IMO.

Obviously pipe-dream scenario for them would be Toronto taking some combo of swaps/2nds for Brown and then moving the first for Murray. That pretty much checks all their boxes especially if they land a shooter in the buyout market like Bogdanovic/Hayward.

I feel like a lot of this depends on what they feel like Gabe Vincent’s value is. If they view him as a centerpiece once healthy trading for a guard isn’t a huge need. Even 6’4 Brown might not be a need.

If it's an unprotected 1st, I'd be tempted to get that one.

LeBron gone either this year or next year or so. Davis gone after 27/28. Sure, they're the Lakers, but they could very well have a post Kobe stretch of playoff droughts again.


Heat also joining Lakers and Knicks as teams interested.

I don't know who they'd give up in this because Lowry won't be able to be part of it since salaries don't match and Raptors can't add someone with Brown.

[georgiafan]

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Terry Rozier to Miami for a 27 1st and Lowry

[illwill10]

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Wow