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[DamnYanks2]

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Isn't MIP traditionally an award that goes to a guy that bounces back from injuries or wasn't even on the radar and then had a breakout season?

I guess Ja qualifies. Because he missed a chunk of the season with injuries last year. But I'd like it to go to somewhat else. Not a big deal.

Surprised Cade isn't earning more recognition. I started agreeing with Jeebs that he was ROY. At the end though Jalen Green has me the most excited out of this group. Dude went nuts. But I get the consistency of Barnes and Mobley. But due to the injuries. It's probably fair for Barnes to win it.



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[jeebs9]

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Jeebs - Our guy Cade isn't winning lol

For MIP I get the Ja vote, he jumped a ton in ppg himself, the Grizz became a top 5 team with him as their best player, made his first All-Star team, and kinda made the jump from a good player to a star player.. But at the same time I feel like anybody who watched him in last years playoffs this type of year shouldn't really be a shock. The Morant-Adams two man game has also unlocked lots more opportunities form him to have space and get downhill without help. Just seems like the "improved" aspect isn't' there to a high degree, more so they were just good enough this year for people to notice/team around him this time around made things easier too.

I'd probably lean Murray. I feel like he is a bit similar to Ja, I don't know that he "improved" a ton.. We had Spurs guys saying last year he was an All-Star.. But this was just the year he was able to put it all together and get more recognition. That said he did set career highs in points, rebounds, assists, steals (led the league), and efficiency. Like Ja got his first All-Star berth this year too.

I'm torn on Monty Williams. I think he is a phenomenal coach, maybe the best in the league at this current moment. But coach of the year always seems to be so predicated on who gets the most out of what they have. Phoenix was the best team in the league last year, carried over maybe the best roster in the league with guys still improving. Them being a 1 seed was expected so long as they were healthy enough. It's kinda like the Book and MVP thing, yeah you have the best record in the league but with context most people would have been more shocked if you didn't. Monty could qualify for this every year just like Pop, but I think Jenkins, Bickerstaff, Udoka did more as far as performing above expectations. Regardless I don't consider Monty a bad choice by any means.

I just don't like the path.

Isn't MIP traditionally an award that goes to a guy that bounces back from injuries or wasn't even on the radar and then had a breakout season?

I guess Ja qualifies. Because he missed a chunk of the season with injuries last year. But I'd like it to go to somewhat else. Not a big deal.

Surprised Cade isn't earning more recognition. I started agreeing with Jeebs that he was ROY. At the end though Jalen Green has me the most excited out of this group. Dude went nuts. But I get the consistency of Barnes and Mobley. But due to the injuries. It's probably fair for Barnes to win it.



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But it's like what Pack said. Once they let Russell Westbrook win the MVP. It completely ****ed up everything.

I knew Cade wasn't going to win once the rookie of the month was announced. I've already expressed my frustration with the situation. Basically we're coming to a turning point. Like someone said. I would have thought MVP would of been close. It's very obvious the "rules" we grew up with are out the window.

[ojandpizza]

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lol Jeebs you so dramatic man. MVP voting has always been a mixed bag. Can't break rules if there never were any. If the MVP voting process wasn't so sporadic year to year MJ and Bron would have a hell of a lot more than 5 and 4 of them. This is nothing new.

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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I just don't like the path. But it's like what Pack said. Once they let Russell Westbrook win the MVP. It completely ****ed up everything.

I knew Cade wasn't going to win once the rookie of the month was announced. I've already expressed my frustration with the situation. Basically we're coming to a turning point. Like someone said. I would have thought MVP would of been close. It's very obvious the "rules" we grew up with are out the window.

I don't really get all the hand-wringing over Westbrook's MVP to be honest. Westbrook had an incredible season that year, had the narrative on his side, had Harden beat in most statistical categories too, had "signature MVP moments" for the people that vote that way, etc. He's obviously fallen off in a pretty drastic way since then, but he was a deserving MVP the year he won.

[ojandpizza]

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I don't really get all the hand-wringing over Westbrook's MVP to be honest. Westbrook had an incredible season that year, had the narrative on his side, had Harden beat in most statistical categories too, had "signature MVP moments" for the people that vote that way, etc. He's obviously fallen off in a pretty drastic way since then, but he was a deserving MVP the year he won.

I think Jeebs is referring to the team record, but to be fair I'm not really sure because the only gripes he's made are a few comments about advanced stats and a few random comments about in the past.

To his point most years team record plays a big role. These 3 guys have been so good that if any of them were sitting in the spot Phoenix is in it would likely be another unanimous vote. We saw that happen with Curry. But with them all sitting at basically the same spot, and the guy with the record being a distant 4th behind them it's not like this season is comparable to a season where you just say "best player best team". Not every single season is the same.

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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I think Jeebs is referring to the team record, but to be fair I'm not really sure because the only gripes he's made are a few comments about advanced stats and a few random comments about in the past.

To his point most years team record plays a big role. These 3 guys have been so good that if any of them were sitting in the spot Phoenix is in it would likely be another unanimous vote. We saw that happen with Curry. But with them all sitting at basically the same spot, and the guy with the record being a distant 4th behind them it's not like this season is comparable to a season where you just say "best player best team". Not every single season is the same.

Yeah, I think if any of the three teams were anywhere near Phoenix-level, that player would have won. In this case, all three teams finished with around the same record, and the Jokic voters can argue that on top of everything else that makes him deserving, Denver was better with him on the floor than Philly or Milwaukee were with Embiid/Giannis on the floor.

[ggsimmonds]

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I think Jeebs is referring to the team record, but to be fair I'm not really sure because the only gripes he's made are a few comments about advanced stats and a few random comments about in the past.

To his point most years team record plays a big role. These 3 guys have been so good that if any of them were sitting in the spot Phoenix is in it would likely be another unanimous vote. We saw that happen with Curry. But with them all sitting at basically the same spot, and the guy with the record being a distant 4th behind them it's not like this season is comparable to a season where you just say "best player best team". Not every single season is the same.

eh I think Jeebs is just a fan but trying to give a rational reason rather than just saying "dats my boy."

Barnes won ROM and a large reason was due to team success, which jeebs objects to.
But then Giannis should get the MVP nod over Joker cause of team success?

I think Cade has a higher ceiling than Barnes. Cade can become a true superstar and I just don't think Barnes can reach that level (not saying he won't be great, he can be a Draymond 2.0, but Cade could be an MVP level player).But I'm okay with Barnes getting the ROY nod because he has earned it. He has a very strong argument that he has impacted the Raptors franchise greater than Cade has.

Anyway, apologies for talking about Jeebs like he isn't here lol

[DamnYanks2]

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I actually agree with everything currently constructed minus the MIP.

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[jeebs9]

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I actually agree with everything currently constructed minus the MIP.

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That's where I stand as well. I can have my gripes. I know my words may sound dramatic [emoji1787]. But promise you I'm not. It's just annoying. MVP has always been a mixed bag when it's close like this.

MIP winner seems like the weirdest

[jeebs9]

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I actually agree with everything currently constructed minus the MIP.

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That's where I stand as well. I can have my gripes. I know my words may sound dramatic [emoji1787]. But promise you I'm not. It's just annoying. MVP has always been a mixed bag when it's close like this.

MIP winner seems like the weirdest

[dubcity]

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Feels like they are giving Most Improved to Ja basically because the team overall played better. But if he's getting credit for that, wouldn't MVP votes be more appropriate?

[ojandpizza]

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I feel like Memphis gets too much nightly as a collective group for Ja to rack up MVP votes. I know you could say that about lots of former MVP winners too, Curry is a great example, but I don’t think Ja’s value to his teams success matches the main 3. He might have arguments against that next crop of guys like Book and Tatum, but even then with him missing 25 games and not just missing them but the team basically not missing a beat without him he’s likely sitting towards the back of the top 10…

I’m saying all that as somebody who would obviously love a Memphis player to get MVP, or even just a player as exiting and electric as Ja just in general. He absolutely should make an All-NBA team though.

I do think he makes somewhat of an argument for MIP. He did jump 8ppg which is basically what Bridges did. Set a career high in FG%, rebounds, steals, cracked his first All-Star appearance.. I just think if you watched him in last years playoffs this wasn’t really a massive “improvement”. They also lost JV as a scorer and replaced him with Adams who pairs better with Ja as a pick and roll threat but takes less shots. Adam’s led the league in screen assists this year.. Not only that but he’s the best offensive rebounder in the league, so he creates more shot opportunities for them off misses. And Brooks missed like 50 games this year too and he’s the 2nd leading shot guy. Even if there was absolutely zero improvement in Ja’s game his scoring would have jumped to some degree from all that alone just because of the circumstance.


Like I said I’d probably give the slight edge to Murray. You could give Poole and Bridges some love there too. But I don’t think Ja is just out of the mix even though he was already considered a “good” player. I think MIP can cover guys that jump from good to star, not just from mediocre to good. With Bridges part of me wonders how much of his was contract-year-itis as well. We’ve seen that happen all too frequently.

To me the biggest omission is Anfernee Simons. I realize with all the injuries and trades somebody on the team had to score, but he jumped into that role pretty seamlessly the moment he had the opportunity. If you would have asked me prior to the season out of all these guys which was the least likely to happen Simons becoming a starter and averaging 22 a game in the games he started, 23, 24, and 25 a night in the last 3 months of the year that would have easily been my answer. But Portland was awful so..

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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Feels like they are giving Most Improved to Ja basically because the team overall played better. But if he's getting credit for that, wouldn't MVP votes be more appropriate?

He just wasn’t on the level of the top 3 MVP guys this year and Memphis’ record without him ultimately killed his chances of finishing in the top 5.

But he drastically upped his scoring while improving his efficiency; I mean he nearly hit 30 points per 36 minutes this year. That’s a huge and difficult leap to make.

Murray, Bane, and Garland are all very deserving as well.

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[jeebs9]

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I feel like Memphis gets too much nightly as a collective group for Ja to rack up MVP votes. I know you could say that about lots of former MVP winners too, Curry is a great example, but I don’t think Ja’s value to his teams success matches the main 3. He might have arguments against that next crop of guys like Book and Tatum, but even then with him missing 25 games and not just missing them but the team basically not missing a beat without him he’s likely sitting towards the back of the top 10…

I’m saying all that as somebody who would obviously love a Memphis player to get MVP, or even just a player as exiting and electric as Ja just in general. He absolutely should make an All-NBA team though.

I do think he makes somewhat of an argument for MIP. He did jump 8ppg which is basically what Bridges did. Set a career high in FG%, rebounds, steals, cracked his first All-Star appearance.. I just think if you watched him in last years playoffs this wasn’t really a massive “improvement”. They also lost JV as a scorer and replaced him with Adams who pairs better with Ja as a pick and roll threat but takes less shots. Adam’s led the league in screen assists this year.. Not only that but he’s the best offensive rebounder in the league, so he creates more shot opportunities for them off misses. And Brooks missed like 50 games this year too and he’s the 2nd leading shot guy. Even if there was absolutely zero improvement in Ja’s game his scoring would have jumped to some degree from all that alone just because of the circumstance.


Like I said I’d probably give the slight edge to Murray. You could give Poole and Bridges some love there too. But I don’t think Ja is just out of the mix even though he was already considered a “good” player. I think MIP can cover guys that jump from good to star, not just from mediocre to good. With Bridges part of me wonders how much of his was contract-year-itis as well. We’ve seen that happen all too frequently.

To me the biggest omission is Anfernee Simons. I realize with all the injuries and trades somebody on the team had to score, but he jumped into that role pretty seamlessly the moment he had the opportunity. If you would have asked me prior to the season out of all these guys which was the least likely to happen Simons becoming a starter and averaging 22 a game in the games he started, 23, 24, and 25 a night in the last 3 months of the year that would have easily been my answer. But Portland was awful so..

Agree Simons should be getting some votes…. But that’s how I feel about the player below.

Feels like they are giving Most Improved to Ja basically because the team overall played better. But if he's getting credit for that, wouldn't MVP votes be more appropriate?

Exactly…. And that’s what I’m saying the voting culture change. Has literally ****ed guys actually on a good team. It’s how I feel about Booker. Most of these award use to be top heavy. And I’m not saying give it to Jimmy butler because he’s on the best team. Votes for MIP should be for players 3 years in. Ja was a beast last year. He didn’t improve that much. Lol. Feels like LeBron, MJ, Kobe and others should have more MVP trophies then lol.

[King_B_Mack]

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Sooooo can we take a moment to talk about everything wrong with this list?



Starting with the lack of Kareem and Bill Russell anywhere near it? Damian Lillard as Portland’s GOAT? Penny Hardaway for Orlando? Kemba Walker for Charlotte? Giannis for Milwaukee already? Come on now


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