February Games Discussion Thread

[jeebs9]

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Ehh not necessarily and we have a few examples in the last 5-6 years that’ll say otherwise.

Because we damn sure aren’t calling Lonzo, Ingram, Favors, DLo, Harden “busts” lol

Each situation is always gonna be different.

Edit: OJ pretty much took my post as I had this typed out but didn’t hit submit right away lol



I’m always interested in the “why didn’t it work there” when they get traded. And even in that case, there’s always plenty of factors at play, including ones that WE don’t necessarily see.

That's the thing. James Wiseman is a athletic scoring big with defensive potential. He could play outside and inside and run the court like a deer. But the Warriors Draymond, Thompson and Curry. Have been playing the same style of basketball for years. When they throw it to the their big men. They aren't expected to face up and go to work. They are expecting to keep ball moving. I'm telling y'all they wanted a Zaza or Andrew Bought replacement. The Warriors should of traded the pick. He made defensive mistakes... Yeah he's 19 years old.

It's like Darko Millic. The Pistons should have never drafted him.

He's already getting this kind of attention

https://twitter.com/MotorCityHoops/status/1626204754643927043?t=NQLXekG3AGurc6iI7fqKFQ&s=19

If anyone didn't see this Draymond saying a lot of facts here in my opinion.

https://twitter.com/RedAlternates/status/1623988753856606208?t=AkDbKHDdSG6F61bSNDd-Bw&s=19

[jeebs9]

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Bradley Beal and Kuz super clutch right now

[ojandpizza]

February Games Discussion Thread

I get what King is saying, that’s why I said it depends what you consider a “bust” to me that’s not it. Like nobody is going to look back on Billups and call him a bust. That’s reserved for the Anthony Bennett types IMO. But different people have different views of what a bust is.

[King_B_Mack]

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Do you consider Harrison Barnes a bust?

I've repeated this so many times. First were still within the incubation zone (the first 5 years). This one might hurt. But are Markkanen and Carter Jr are bust?

Give these young man a chance to grow.

The word Bust should never be mentioned.

The one thing I don't understand is the math. I don't know the stats. But how many lottery picks become all stars. So if you picked in the top 5 and don't make the All Star team in the fire l first 8 years your a bust? I know that's not what your saying. What's the baseline lol?I was just about to post this. I've already moved away from this game [emoji23]

Anthony Edwards he's unstoppable at times.

Absolutely Lauri is a bust. Carter I would lean toward yes as well but he’s a bit trickier because a new regime took over and brought in who they wanted.

The Bulls waited as long as they could for Lauri to be the franchise player for that team and he never put it together. His contract was coming up and he wanted to get paid huge money, but what he showed to that point couldn’t justify him getting the deal he wanted and he wanted out anyway. That was ultimately a wasted draft pick for the Bulls. The pick went bust.

A rookie scale contract on a top 10 pick is what like 5 or 6 years, that’s more than enough development time.


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[ojandpizza]

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Dude was putting up 19 and 9 in year 2 and he’s a bust? That makes no sense man I’m sorry [emoji23]. He’s 25 right now, could be 5 years away from his peak and he’s 25 & 9 as an All-Star and a number 1 on a current playoff team..

Idk what you expect a number 7 pick to typically be, but if the “norm” is any time you have the 7th pick you should land a superstar who is a franchise altering player by his 3rd season then I think you just have ridiculously weird expectations.

Here’s a run of players taken 7th somewhat recently..

Hinrich, Deng, Villanueva, Foye, C Brewer, E Gordon, Steph Curry, G Monroe, Biyombo, H Barnes, B McLemore, J Randle, Mudiay, J Murray, Carter Jr, C White, K Hayes, Kuminga..

Bro even Steph wasn’t substantially better in his first couple years and they are both making their first All-Star appearance at 25 years old.

[dubcity]

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My thing is, if a guy is legit, he's going to show it relatively quickly, and it's not going to be dependent on the right team at the right time. There are so many players through the years that people are convinced would have broken out and been relevant had a team given them enough run. They blame the team, coach, GM, whatever. Give Player X 35 minutes a game and let him shoot it 20 times, you'll see, etc.

Honestly, this Warriors squad isn't exactly super stacked. If he was special they would have stuck with him, and let him give the team some energy off the bench. He could have had a role.

And why couldn't the Warriors get more for him? A 7 footer with fresh legs and something to prove. No one was willing to pay for that?

[jeebs9]

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Absolutely Lauri is a bust. Carter I would lean toward yes as well but he’s a bit trickier because a new regime took over and brought in who they wanted.

The Bulls waited as long as they could for Lauri to be the franchise player for that team and he never put it together. His contract was coming up and he wanted to get paid huge money, but what he showed to that point couldn’t justify him getting the deal he wanted and he wanted out anyway. That was ultimately a wasted draft pick for the Bulls. The pick went bust.

A rookie scale contract on a top 10 pick is what like 5 or 6 years, that’s more than enough development time.


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Says the man who's team signed Lonzo Ball. Who I heard more than enough times and here. He hadn't stayed healthy enough for the contract he received.

Dude was putting up 19 and 9 in year 2 and he’s a bust? That makes no sense man I’m sorry [emoji23]. He’s 25 right now, could be 5 years away from his peak and he’s 25 & 9 as an All-Star and a number 1 on a current playoff team..

Idk what you expect a number 7 pick to typically be, but if the “norm” is any time you have the 7th pick you should land a superstar who is a franchise altering player by his 3rd season then I think you just have ridiculously weird expectations.

Here’s a run of players taken 7th somewhat recently..

Hinrich, Deng, Villanueva, Foye, C Brewer, E Gordon, Steph Curry, G Monroe, Biyombo, H Barnes, B McLemore, J Randle, Mudiay, J Murray, Carter Jr, C White, K Hayes, Kuminga..

Bro even Steph wasn’t substantially better in his first couple years and they are both making their first All-Star appearance at 25 years old.

Exactly. He paid really well for the Cavs last season. Carter Jr in my opinion has been solid. OJ I think you knocked out of the park. I think people expectations of the lottery pick is kind of crazy. Especially if the player is young.

I forgot Terrence Ross signed with the Suns.

[jeebs9]

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My thing is, if a guy is legit, he's going to show it relatively quickly, and it's not going to be dependent on the right team at the right time. There are so many players through the years that people are convinced would have broken out and been relevant had a team given them enough run. They blame the team, coach, GM, whatever. Give Player X 35 minutes a game and let him shoot it 20 times, you'll see, etc.

Honestly, this Warriors squad isn't exactly super stacked. If he was special they would have stuck with him, and let him give the team some energy off the bench. He could have had a role.

And why couldn't the Warriors get more for him? A 7 footer with fresh legs and something to prove. No one was willing to pay for that?

"Legit" is subjective. It's simple. The Warriors offense is to get shots to their guards. Did they have Russell when they drafted him? When would he have time to develop in a win now situation. I look at the picks. The Warriors literally had no choice about who they were going to pick. Anthony Edwards would have been playing behind Thompson and Curry if they pick Melo.

[ggsimmonds]

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You can argue whether or not he is a bust, all I was saying though was that if you are a #2 overall pick and getting praised for "being active" thats an indication that you may be a bust. Doesn't automatically make you a bust, but it is a warning sign.

The bar is a little higher than that for a top 3 pick.

(but yall done moved on to Harrison Barnes now lol)

[ggsimmonds]

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There's a negative connotation with the word bust and I get why that is. However being a bust doesn't mean you can eventually become the player that you were originally projected to be or a good player with a long career. It's not a death knell to your career. But by the very nature of you being a top 5 draft pick you're being drafted at that position of the draft to be a franchise player. If you're getting traded before hitting the end of that rookie contract outside of a Andrew Wiggins situation you are a wasted draft pick for the team that drafted you. That's the definition of being a bust. Again, doesn't mean you can't bounce back from that and become a good player in the league and in some cases a great player, but you were in fact a bust.

In this scenario I would differentiate between a team missing on their pick or the pick just not working out vs a bust.

I thought a bust was just a guy that didn't live up to his potential. You can become a solid role player and be considered a bust if you were selected #1 overall for example. Obviously there are degrees of just how much of a bust you would be, but the principle is the same.

Outside of that, there are several scenarios where a guy on a rookie deal can get traded for reasons other than failing to live up to expectations.

[DamnYanks2]

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Liked the way the Clips finished that one out. Not a bunch of stupid dribble dribble iso garbage between PG and Kawhi. Everyone was involved. And they got it done without Powell having to light it up.

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[ojandpizza]

February Games Discussion Thread

My thing is, if a guy is legit, he's going to show it relatively quickly, and it's not going to be dependent on the right team at the right time. There are so many players through the years that people are convinced would have broken out and been relevant had a team given them enough run. They blame the team, coach, GM, whatever. Give Player X 35 minutes a game and let him shoot it 20 times, you'll see, etc.

Honestly, this Warriors squad isn't exactly super stacked. If he was special they would have stuck with him, and let him give the team some energy off the bench. He could have had a role.

And why couldn't the Warriors get more for him? A 7 footer with fresh legs and something to prove. No one was willing to pay for that?

They did stick with him though, for at least a period of time. They had every chance to move him when he still had the value of a top 5 pick and didn’t. All the rumors for flipping him for a starting big, the Turner rumors, they didn’t budge. This trade also saved them 37 million dollars on this+next years tax bills. There was more going on than just trying to integrate him.

For the rest of your post, for some players that’s true for some it isn’t. We see it happen both ways. He might not ever amount to anything, he might be an All-Star 3 years from now. Both things happen. I wouldn’t be shocked by either one of them. But I’m not labeling his career at 21 lol.

[ggsimmonds]

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Liked the way the Clips finished that one out. Not a bunch of stupid dribble dribble iso garbage between PG and Kawhi. Everyone was involved. And they got it done without Powell having to light it up.

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Agree, did a really good job of staying composed and not "chasing" buckets. There were times I thought Booker was about to get hot and trigger a game deciding run but each time the Clippers calmly answered back.

[DamnYanks2]

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Agree, did a really good job of staying composed and not "chasing" buckets. There were times I thought Booker was about to get hot and trigger a game deciding run but each time the Clippers calmly answered back.

Clips really could be a great team if PG and Kawhi could be real leaders. They have the anchor down low they have two stars. They have a microwave type in Powell and a solid bench. They have a pretty complete team. It's just all about the decision making.





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[ggsimmonds]

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Clips really could be a great team if PG and Kawhi could be real leaders. They have the anchor down low they have two stars. They have a microwave type in Powell and a solid bench. They have a pretty complete team. It's just all about the decision making.



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Kawhi is just not a leader type and thats okay, not every superstar needs to be a leader (not being a leader is more common than you'd think with superstars imo). The problem is availability and consistency but thats not something all of us didn't already know.