Re: February Games Discussion Thread
This is all fine and dandy in the context of this, what is now, a really in depth multi-page discussion. But in the general use of the word busts are Bowie, Brown, Bennett, etc. If you want to take a deeper dive and more narrowly define what constitutes a level 1 bust, level 2 bust, level 9 bust, and so on that’s fine, but most people’s initial reaction to the word “bust” isn’t going to include players who are actually good.
If you want to take every number 3 pick in league history and average out what the general career looks like to compare against future number 3 picks be my guest, but we typically aren’t taking dives that deep to decide who is/isn’t a bust. And yes Washington has a ton of them lol. Sorry [emoji23].
I don’t agree with that without more context honestly. Some players have generational talent and expectations. Some players are simply drafted in the wrong spot. Outside the rare few none of these players have control over their hype, and most of them are not considered franchise altering players to begin with. Not every number 1 pick has LeBron, Zion, Victor expectations so not every number 1 pick, or whatever number, should have the same expectations year in and year out.
Anthony Bennett. He’s a bust, played on 4 different teams and was out of the league in 4 years. But for the sake of this argument let’s say he had an average career. He was projected to be drafted like 13th. If he’s actually drafted 13th nobody ever cares to call him a bust. But because Cleveland is stupid he’s the bust? My point is not every draft pick represents what a players actual projected expectation is. Labeling a guy a bust puts that on the player, which is not fair when it’s the teams fault.
Tyson Chandler might be a better real world example of that. He had a great career, won a ring, phenomenal defender. Nobody ever calls him a bust. He was drafted 2nd overall and traded for 20&10 Elton Brand expected to be the Bulls cornerstone (with Curry) for the next however many years. He was being compared to Kevin Garnett and Rasheed Wallace. By all this back and forth he’s 100% a massive bust, but we know in the real world nobody calls Tyson Chandler a bust.
As for the rest, there is no real definition of what a bust is. Kinda like the word “superstar”. That’s why it will generally vary from person to person what they believe fits into that category. Like for me, I refuse to label guys like Oden or Jay Williams a bust. It was out of their control and they both showed flashes in the league of why they were picked where they were and justified where they were picked. So I do think those 1-4 matter. To me anyways. And I didn’t mean for those to be ranked in any sort of order, I was just saying those are the main 4 things we see the word bust most associate with.
I hate that part of it. Any way we slice it "bust" is not a positive, but if you're equating bust with = one of the worst draft picks in history that definitely explains your reaction to putting that label on Wiseman.
Every draft has busts, some are bigger than others. Even in the worst case scenario I don't think Wiseman is anywhere near an all-time bust though. I don't think he'll be cracking any top 10 lists of the biggest busts or anything.
I'm a Wizards fan. So drafting guys who fail to reach expectations or produce at the hoped for level is something I am something of an expert on. Maybe I'm so use to draft picks not delivering that I've become more liberal with my use of the word
Every draft has busts, some are bigger than others. Even in the worst case scenario I don't think Wiseman is anywhere near an all-time bust though. I don't think he'll be cracking any top 10 lists of the biggest busts or anything.
I'm a Wizards fan. So drafting guys who fail to reach expectations or produce at the hoped for level is something I am something of an expert on. Maybe I'm so use to draft picks not delivering that I've become more liberal with my use of the word
If you want to take every number 3 pick in league history and average out what the general career looks like to compare against future number 3 picks be my guest, but we typically aren’t taking dives that deep to decide who is/isn’t a bust. And yes Washington has a ton of them lol. Sorry [emoji23].
I don’t agree with that without more context honestly. Some players have generational talent and expectations. Some players are simply drafted in the wrong spot. Outside the rare few none of these players have control over their hype, and most of them are not considered franchise altering players to begin with. Not every number 1 pick has LeBron, Zion, Victor expectations so not every number 1 pick, or whatever number, should have the same expectations year in and year out.
Anthony Bennett. He’s a bust, played on 4 different teams and was out of the league in 4 years. But for the sake of this argument let’s say he had an average career. He was projected to be drafted like 13th. If he’s actually drafted 13th nobody ever cares to call him a bust. But because Cleveland is stupid he’s the bust? My point is not every draft pick represents what a players actual projected expectation is. Labeling a guy a bust puts that on the player, which is not fair when it’s the teams fault.
Tyson Chandler might be a better real world example of that. He had a great career, won a ring, phenomenal defender. Nobody ever calls him a bust. He was drafted 2nd overall and traded for 20&10 Elton Brand expected to be the Bulls cornerstone (with Curry) for the next however many years. He was being compared to Kevin Garnett and Rasheed Wallace. By all this back and forth he’s 100% a massive bust, but we know in the real world nobody calls Tyson Chandler a bust.
As for the rest, there is no real definition of what a bust is. Kinda like the word “superstar”. That’s why it will generally vary from person to person what they believe fits into that category. Like for me, I refuse to label guys like Oden or Jay Williams a bust. It was out of their control and they both showed flashes in the league of why they were picked where they were and justified where they were picked. So I do think those 1-4 matter. To me anyways. And I didn’t mean for those to be ranked in any sort of order, I was just saying those are the main 4 things we see the word bust most associate with.
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