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  • Programmed2Kill
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    • Jul 2002
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    #151
    Re: NBA to have age limit as soon as next year (20 yrs. old)

    Originally posted by jmood88
    Instead of saying something stupid like that, why don't you actually give an example or explain what you're talking about?


    How is it stupid? It's reality. When you graduate high school and learn more about life, you'll know what I'm talking about. Until then, drink your milk.


    A team that has a lottery pick and gets a high schooler out of the first round will have vets who should be worried about their jobs. The vets can't complain about college players because there's no way that they would shut out college players from the draft. So, they do the next best thing and stop the talented first round high schoolers from going into the draft which limits the amount of competition. And a vast majority of high school players who enter the draft will only enter if they know that they are at least going to be picked in the first round.
    Adding players through the draft means someone has to go ANYWAY. High schooler or collegiate. I don't see the big point of this.


    So you don't see anything wrong with the obvious exploitation of these players? If the ncaa didn't have these players then they wouldn't make the billions of dollars and there would be no ncaa at all.
    Isn't the NCAA helping these players compete, even on national television, so GMs can scout them so they can make millions in the big league?

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    • Programmed2Kill
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      • Jul 2002
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      #152
      Re: NBA to have age limit as soon as next year (20 yrs. old)

      Originally posted by jmood88
      Jermaine oneal was in a situation where the blazers didn't need to use him they had alot of talent already at that position. It's the team's fault if they decide no to use the players and if they don't draft players who they know isn't going to make an immediate impact.

      No, he was in a situation where he wasn't useful to the team. He was then put in a situation, after three years, where he could get playing time.

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      • Programmed2Kill
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        • Jul 2002
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        #153
        Re: NBA to have age limit as soon as next year (20 yrs. old)

        Originally posted by jmood88
        Jermaine oneal was in a situation where the blazers didn't need to use him they had alot of talent already at that position. It's the team's fault if they decide no to use the players and if they don't draft players who they know isn't going to make an immediate impact.

        No, he was in a situation where he wasn't useful to the team. He was then put in a situation, after three years, where he could get playing time.

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        • Programmed2Kill
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          • Jul 2002
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          #154
          Re: NBA to have age limit as soon as next year (20 yrs. old)

          Originally posted by jmood88
          You asked: "Why is it that people who adamantly are for no age limit bring up this as a part of their argument?"
          Which was asked because I said: "they try to disguise it as wanting what's best for the player but all they care about are their favorite college teams losing some great players."
          I don't agree that the college game as a whole is getting worse but it is true that teams lose out on some great players and they get mad about that. Ask pdiddy. In another thread he got mad because he thinks that players are holding schools hostage and he was mad because some recruit backed out of his commitment to duke and went to the nba. That's the sentiment of most people who are for the age limit, which is what I said.

          But it is holding a team hostage. There's aren't alot of schollies in basketball each year. Pdiddy knows Duke will get great players left and right, but what he is saying is that they could turn their attention to another player who could come in and be good. Has nothing to do with taking great players out of the college game.

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          • Programmed2Kill
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            • Jul 2002
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            #155
            Re: NBA to have age limit as soon as next year (20 yrs. old)

            Originally posted by jmood88
            You asked: "Why is it that people who adamantly are for no age limit bring up this as a part of their argument?"
            Which was asked because I said: "they try to disguise it as wanting what's best for the player but all they care about are their favorite college teams losing some great players."
            I don't agree that the college game as a whole is getting worse but it is true that teams lose out on some great players and they get mad about that. Ask pdiddy. In another thread he got mad because he thinks that players are holding schools hostage and he was mad because some recruit backed out of his commitment to duke and went to the nba. That's the sentiment of most people who are for the age limit, which is what I said.

            But it is holding a team hostage. There's aren't alot of schollies in basketball each year. Pdiddy knows Duke will get great players left and right, but what he is saying is that they could turn their attention to another player who could come in and be good. Has nothing to do with taking great players out of the college game.

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            • jmood88
              Sean Payton: Retribution
              • Jul 2003
              • 34639

              #156
              Re: NBA to have age limit as soon as next year (20 yrs. old)

              How is it stupid? It's reality. When you graduate high school and learn more about life, you'll know what I'm talking about. Until then, drink your milk.
              It's stupid because you are trying to talk down to me because of my age instead of actually formulating an argument that doesn't consist of insults and bad jokes of course that seems to be your specialty so I'll let that one go.
              Adding players through the draft means someone has to go ANYWAY. High schooler or collegiate. I don't see the big point of this.
              I'll try to explain this better then, taking away high school players limits the number of potential good candidates to be drafted, thus, less kids taking your job. Obviously if this rumor is true that the union would accept this then it is benifitting the vets in someway be it money or playing time or both. If a team has to draft an ok college player as opposed to a great high school player then it is less likely that a vet will lose his job.
              Isn't the NCAA helping these players compete, even on national television, so GMs can scout them so they can make millions in the big league?
              The ncaa is exploiting them for as long as they are useful then they get a new batch of players in. Trust me, if the ncaa wasn't getting anything out of this deal then there wouldn't be any sports at all. If the ncaa could get players to go to school and practice without giving anything then they would.
              No, he was in a situation where he wasn't useful to the team. He was then put in a situation, after three years, where he could get playing time.
              They didn't need him. When he was on the blazers they were a contender for the finals every year and rasheed wallace was in his prime. They didn't need to use him.
              Originally posted by Blzer
              Let me assure you that I am a huge proponent of size, and it greatly matters. Don't ever let anyone tell you otherwise.

              If I went any bigger, it would not have properly fit with my equipment, so I had to optimize. I'm okay with it, but I also know what I'm missing with those five inches. :)

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              • jmood88
                Sean Payton: Retribution
                • Jul 2003
                • 34639

                #157
                Re: NBA to have age limit as soon as next year (20 yrs. old)

                How is it stupid? It's reality. When you graduate high school and learn more about life, you'll know what I'm talking about. Until then, drink your milk.
                It's stupid because you are trying to talk down to me because of my age instead of actually formulating an argument that doesn't consist of insults and bad jokes of course that seems to be your specialty so I'll let that one go.
                Adding players through the draft means someone has to go ANYWAY. High schooler or collegiate. I don't see the big point of this.
                I'll try to explain this better then, taking away high school players limits the number of potential good candidates to be drafted, thus, less kids taking your job. Obviously if this rumor is true that the union would accept this then it is benifitting the vets in someway be it money or playing time or both. If a team has to draft an ok college player as opposed to a great high school player then it is less likely that a vet will lose his job.
                Isn't the NCAA helping these players compete, even on national television, so GMs can scout them so they can make millions in the big league?
                The ncaa is exploiting them for as long as they are useful then they get a new batch of players in. Trust me, if the ncaa wasn't getting anything out of this deal then there wouldn't be any sports at all. If the ncaa could get players to go to school and practice without giving anything then they would.
                No, he was in a situation where he wasn't useful to the team. He was then put in a situation, after three years, where he could get playing time.
                They didn't need him. When he was on the blazers they were a contender for the finals every year and rasheed wallace was in his prime. They didn't need to use him.
                Originally posted by Blzer
                Let me assure you that I am a huge proponent of size, and it greatly matters. Don't ever let anyone tell you otherwise.

                If I went any bigger, it would not have properly fit with my equipment, so I had to optimize. I'm okay with it, but I also know what I'm missing with those five inches. :)

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                • Skins4Life
                  MVP
                  • Jul 2002
                  • 2286

                  #158
                  Re: NBA to have age limit as soon as next year (20 yrs. old)

                  They didn't need him. When he was on the blazers they were a contender for the finals every year and rasheed wallace was in his prime. They didn't need to use him.
                  Thats true, but why did they trade him then. The only person I remember hearing speak positivly of JO was Scottie Pippen.

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                  • Skins4Life
                    MVP
                    • Jul 2002
                    • 2286

                    #159
                    Re: NBA to have age limit as soon as next year (20 yrs. old)

                    They didn't need him. When he was on the blazers they were a contender for the finals every year and rasheed wallace was in his prime. They didn't need to use him.
                    Thats true, but why did they trade him then. The only person I remember hearing speak positivly of JO was Scottie Pippen.

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                    • jmood88
                      Sean Payton: Retribution
                      • Jul 2003
                      • 34639

                      #160
                      Re: NBA to have age limit as soon as next year (20 yrs. old)

                      Originally posted by Skins4Life
                      Thats true, but why did they trade him then. The only person I remember hearing speak positivly of JO was Scottie Pippen.
                      They might've felt that they didn't need him(and they didn't).
                      Originally posted by Blzer
                      Let me assure you that I am a huge proponent of size, and it greatly matters. Don't ever let anyone tell you otherwise.

                      If I went any bigger, it would not have properly fit with my equipment, so I had to optimize. I'm okay with it, but I also know what I'm missing with those five inches. :)

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                      • jmood88
                        Sean Payton: Retribution
                        • Jul 2003
                        • 34639

                        #161
                        Re: NBA to have age limit as soon as next year (20 yrs. old)

                        Originally posted by Skins4Life
                        Thats true, but why did they trade him then. The only person I remember hearing speak positivly of JO was Scottie Pippen.
                        They might've felt that they didn't need him(and they didn't).
                        Originally posted by Blzer
                        Let me assure you that I am a huge proponent of size, and it greatly matters. Don't ever let anyone tell you otherwise.

                        If I went any bigger, it would not have properly fit with my equipment, so I had to optimize. I'm okay with it, but I also know what I'm missing with those five inches. :)

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                        • Skins4Life
                          MVP
                          • Jul 2002
                          • 2286

                          #162
                          Re: NBA to have age limit as soon as next year (20 yrs. old)

                          They surely could have used him over the past couple of seasons....but I digress

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                          • Skins4Life
                            MVP
                            • Jul 2002
                            • 2286

                            #163
                            Re: NBA to have age limit as soon as next year (20 yrs. old)

                            They surely could have used him over the past couple of seasons....but I digress

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                            • HMcCoy
                              All Star
                              • Jan 2003
                              • 8212

                              #164
                              Re: NBA to have age limit as soon as next year (20 yrs. old)

                              I think this is good for basketball, overall...but not because of HS'ers. IMO, Its unfortunate that the 1-2 HS per year that could come in and immediately contribute have to be sacrificed, those kids' rate of success has been pretty darn good. But this will prevent the average college kid that isn't really ready from coming out too early like what we see now. Most HS guys have some type of outstanding physical attribute that will get them through...size, quicks, hops, ETC...but most college guys that come in too early don't have those overwhelming tools.

                              JMood pulled up a relevant point, there have only been 29 HS in the last 25 years. Out of the hundreds and hundreds of guys who have been through the league in that time, I don't think you can blame a handful of kids for "destroying" the mental or physical makeup of the league. Personally, I think SportsCenter, expansion, officiating trends, and the NBA fanbase's clamor for high flash/low substance players is as much or more to blame for the NBA's current state

                              This is great news for college fans...
                              Last edited by HMcCoy; 03-06-2005, 08:48 PM.
                              Hank's Custom Collectibles 3D printer/painter extraordinaire

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                              • HMcCoy
                                All Star
                                • Jan 2003
                                • 8212

                                #165
                                Re: NBA to have age limit as soon as next year (20 yrs. old)

                                I think this is good for basketball, overall...but not because of HS'ers. IMO, Its unfortunate that the 1-2 HS per year that could come in and immediately contribute have to be sacrificed, those kids' rate of success has been pretty darn good. But this will prevent the average college kid that isn't really ready from coming out too early like what we see now. Most HS guys have some type of outstanding physical attribute that will get them through...size, quicks, hops, ETC...but most college guys that come in too early don't have those overwhelming tools.

                                JMood pulled up a relevant point, there have only been 29 HS in the last 25 years. Out of the hundreds and hundreds of guys who have been through the league in that time, I don't think you can blame a handful of kids for "destroying" the mental or physical makeup of the league. Personally, I think SportsCenter, expansion, officiating trends, and the NBA fanbase's clamor for high flash/low substance players is as much or more to blame for the NBA's current state

                                This is great news for college fans...
                                Hank's Custom Collectibles 3D printer/painter extraordinaire

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