The 2011 New York Knicks: The Rebirth

[bigeastbumrush]

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http://arizonasports.com/category/su...ds-Steve-Nash/

I wanna take this with a grain of salt, but this particular grain is boulder sized. I'm a little scared . I mean.....no, just no.

D'Antoni doesn't have that kind of leverage anymore. I wouldn't worry too much about it.

In other news:

The only center with a contract for next season is undersized Ronny Turiaf. The Post has learned Turiaf, as expected, exercised the final year of his contract at $4.5 million. He proved injury-prone in missing 18 games last season with chronic knee soreness.

According to an NBA source, the Knicks are planning on only offering one-year deals this summer to free agents. That will take them out of the pool of prominent free-agent centers, including Samuel Dalembert. Certainly the more marquee players, such as Mavericks champion pivot Tyson Chandler, the Grizzlies' Marc Gasol and Clippers young stud DeAndre Jordan are out of the question.

Kwame Brown is on their radar after having a serviceable season with Charlotte (7.9 points, 6.8 rebounds, 51.7 percent shooting). Michael Jordan's former No. 1 draft bust is 6-11, 270 pounds and though he has hands of stone, he can defend, rebound and block shots -- the only Knicks requirements.

There are other free-agent centers who could be had for one-year deals that will pique the Knicks' interest -- Tony Battie, ex-Knick veteran Kurt Thomas, who filled in solidly in spots with the Bulls, Joel Pryzbilla, Aaron Gray and ancient Theo Ratliff.

The Knicks want to re-sign Sixth Man surprise Shawne Williams and possibly veteran point guard Anthony Carter as insurance for Chauncey Billups. But Shelden Williams and Jared Jeffries figure to be goners.

So, they're basically forgoing another season, 2011, to make noise in 2012.

What a sham of an organization. Might as well play Stat and Melo 15 MPG next season to keep them fresh for 2012.

And to top that off, they raised ticket prices.

What a sad, sad, sad and piss-poorly run franchise.

[ehh]

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I don't think we're forgoing this coming season, the FA class is terrible, who would we sign anyway? No matter what the cap is (even if it's higher at $62m like Stern hinted) we won't have any cap space too.

I never thought these words would come out of my mouth but I would love to get Kwame Brown. Yup, that's how desperate we are!

As for the Suns thing, I don't think that we drafted Iman with that in mind and I don't think Nash will ever be a Knick. Given the team we're going to have in 2011-12 it won't make sense to move Iman and other pieces to get Nash as a rental in Jan/Feb. We aren't going to go deep into the playoffs regardless.

[CMH]

Do not like any of those one-year names. Yuck. But I also don't think they would be able to land Chandler or an equivalent. As much as they need rebounding and a force in the middle, those other multi-year names are gonna end up overpaid and someone's headache in two seasons. No thank you.

As for Iman for Nash. I call that Daily News Post Reporting. Story just to have a story.

Iman is not going anywhere especially with how he has embraced the city and fans so quickly. I know he isn't a D'Antoni type but Mike also knows he's a lame duck coach so his word is weak. If the front office said we are taking defense, Mike had to listen.


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[bigfnjoe96]

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The Knicks CAP Space is tied-up with Chauncey's contract. We are over the CAP so our only option is to fill-out our roster with Vet minimums.

Here's what our CAP looks like:

http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=9155

The real only way to add talent is to take back BAD Contracts in trades, which personally I wouldn't want to do because the 2012 FA Class is helluva a lot better than this years class

[NYJets]

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Only one of the bigger name centers we could realistically get is Dalembert imo, and I don't want to overpay for him. It's the right move.

[ehh]

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The Knicks CAP Space is tied-up with Chauncey's contract. We are over the CAP so our only option is to fill-out our roster with Vet minimums.

Here's what our CAP looks like:

http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=9155

The real only way to add talent is to take back BAD Contracts in trades, which personally I wouldn't want to do because the 2012 FA Class is helluva a lot better than this years class

Hopefully the MLE still exists in the new CBA, I think that's what we're planning on using to acquire a center.

[bigeastbumrush]

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I don't think we're forgoing this coming season, the FA class is terrible, who would we sign anyway? No matter what the cap is (even if it's higher at $62m like Stern hinted) we won't have any cap space too.

I never thought these words would come out of my mouth but I would love to get Kwame Brown. Yup, that's how desperate we are!

The 2012 FA class is not that great outside of Paul, DWill and Dwight (ETO).

Knicks putting all their eggs in one basket again (summer of 2010) only to get blindsided when the time comes.

I'm not saying this year is any special and I realize their options are limited. But to completely turn your head away from multi-year deals, I disagree with.

Just my opinion..

[CMH]

They didn't do too bad putting their eggs in one basket last year. Still ended up with two great offensive players when the season's calendar ended.

I'm still not sure this team wins a championship with that roster and one of those big men. Better team? Sure. Championship? Nah.

But imagine, hypothetically, that big man was Howard. Yea now things get real interesting.

Am I saying they land Howard? No. I doubt they do but the Knicks have to operate with the hope.

That's one thing I think they are doing right rather than throwing money at an Eddy Curry wanna be and getting no real value.

Edit: Actually a better example is Jerome James. That was the bum's name right? Unless they could land a Chandler or Dalembert, no sense in throwing money at guys for multiple years. And I have the feeling Dalembert will be overpaid by someone.


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[bigeastbumrush]

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They didn't do too bad putting their eggs in one basket last year. Still ended up with two great offensive players when the season's calendar ended.

I'm still not sure this team wins a championship with that roster and one of those big men. Better team? Sure. Championship? Nah.

But imagine, hypothetically, that big man was Howard. Yea now things get real interesting.

Am I saying they land Howard? No. I doubt they do but the Knicks have to operate with the hope.

That's one thing I think they are doing right rather than throwing money at an Eddy Curry wanna be and getting no real value.


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The only difference between one year deals for Kwame Brown-types and a multi-year deal for Eddy Curry-types is that you're not strapped in the future and you have options.

But this Miami Heat-esque re-tooling of the roster every single year is simply not going to work because there will never be any consistency.

Bringing new guys into camp every single year. There's gonna be a new coach. No type of gelling.

And the 'eggs in one basket' comment was more towards the FA signing period, not what they did at the deadline.

They did not snag the FAs they really wanted outside of Amare. They failed.

Dwight has given every indication that he does not want to come to NY so I don't know why people even mention him.

DWill seems laid back and satisfied to be the face of a franchise in NJ (we'll see if they start losing).

That leaves Paul...which is too much of a crapshoot and yes, putting your eggs in one basket.

I just think it's a bad strategy and bad philosophy. We'll see though.

[Hassan Darkside]

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Here's Iman Shumpert at the Jordan Brand classic in 2008. You can see some behind the scenes stuff, his personality, his rapping ability (lol), and his athleticism as he wins the dunk contest.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8WksZVrBIk

I like his personality, I think if he sticks around he'll be a great guy to have on the team. He keeps talking about how much of a people person he is in interviews and whatnot.

[bigeastbumrush]

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Wow...he's in some elite company. Great to see how many players from that class made the league.

But Iman needs to stick to balling.

I almost shut it off after, "I concentrate on the bread like a toaster."

[bigfnjoe96]

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Ya gotta love this guy. If he makes the team, he could become a fan favorite...

Josh Harrellson might give the Knicks a presence every team needs to advance, especially in the playoffs.

"I'm going to protect my stars," Harrellson said yesterday at halftime of the Liberty's win over the Los Angeles Sparks at the Prudential Center. "Amar'e, Carmelo, if someone's getting rough with them, I'm going to protect them. I'm going to make my presence felt. They'll know I'm there."

Harrellson, the No. 45 overall pick whom the Knicks acquired from the Hornets in a draft-night deal for about $750,000, said he thinks he can have a long NBA career as -- his words -- a garbage man.

[CMH]

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I like that.

Gotta say, I felt there were better players on the board, but I like what these guys are about here.

[Chowdah]

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should have drafted chris singleton he can guard 1-4.

[bigeastbumrush]

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Kurt Thomas is the NBA's oldest player and he might just hold the title of slowest and most vertically challenged, too.

Yet, he's precisely what the Knicks need.

According to a team source, the Knicks intend to make a run at reacquiring Thomas this summer, or whenever the expected NBA lockout ends. The veteran power forward is a free agent who spent last season with the Chicago Bulls and has made it clear that he wants to play at least one more season.

Thomas will likely decide between the Knicks and Bulls, although he remains hopeful that his hometown Dallas Mavericks will reach out to him as well. Thomas attended all three NBA Finals games in Dallas.

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