The 2015 New York Knicks: Year 1 of Life "After" Dolan

[Jeffx]

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3) This is a work in progress and an example of the culture that we need to change. We have selfish, stupid players all over the roster. We have so many guys that don't, or won't, defend. We have all these divas that need to be shown the door.

Not just the players, the friggin' scouting department needs an overhaul. Look at the Bucks - those cats are young, hungry and have heart. Why can't we get cats like that? Why can't we get high basketball IQ players like the Spurs? Where are the foreign players? Why do the Knicks always go for divas? This franchise has exactly one playoff series win since Dolan took over...ONE in what, fourteen years???????

Steve Kerr knew what he was doing, but hell, it wasn't THAT hard of a decision to choose between GS and NY.

[NYJets]

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Like I said in the other thread I'm sure there is a level of dysfunction and infighting, there always should be if a team is 4-19, but Broussard just made a lot of that **** up, and it contradicts itself so much.

The players hate Melo and think he's too selfish, thought he got special treatment last year, and want to play more like a team.....yet they hate the triangle and want to go back to last years system.

They hate the defense....yet all last year we heard about how they hate the switching and that's why they were always confused on defense.

They don't like anything about fisher, they don't like that he wants them cutting and making smart plays, they don't like that he has too many practices....yet they think he needs to be harder on them?

There's no big behind the scenes story here, it's just an awful team full of one dimensional, low bball iq players. The few guys who consistently play hard and smart aren't talented to be playing significant minutes. The guys with talent mostly don't fit what we are trying to do, and probably at this point can't fit

Try and trade JR, see if you can get anything for Shumpert since he probably won't be back next year, keep bottoming out, and pray Phil can work some magic with the cap space and for once a top pick.

[bigeastbumrush]

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Not just the players, the friggin' scouting department needs an overhaul. Look at the Bucks - those cats are young, hungry and have heart. Why can't we get cats like that? Why can't we get high basketball IQ players like the Spurs? Where are the foreign players? Why do the Knicks always go for divas? This franchise has exactly one playoff series win since Dolan took over...ONE in what, fourteen years???????

Steve Kerr knew what he was doing, but hell, it wasn't THAT hard of a decision to choose between GS and NY.

that Papanikalou or whatever his name is seems to be doing pretty well in Houston.

I believe we traded him away to get Felton.

If they're going to stick with a 5 year plan, they need to do it 100% and just go with strictly players who fit the system.

[Hassan Darkside]

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that Papanikalou or whatever his name is seems to be doing pretty well in Houston.

I believe we traded him away to get Felton.

If they're going to stick with a 5 year plan, they need to do it 100% and just go with strictly players who fit the system.

I was wrong about Pap, I didn't think he'd ever make it to the NBA, now he's a solid rotation player in Houston that has terrific all-around skill from what I've seen. Has potential to be a solid role player on a contender.
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Here's my thoughts through 23 games, I've watched pretty much all but one (OKC) because I love depressing dramas more than I should.

1.) Shout out to Steve Kerr. I'm glad he took the much better job with the much better players with the much smaller egos. I don't think he'd be fairing any better in NY right now. Not because of his ability to coach, but because of the roster and the expectations.

2.) Derek Fisher...Obviously a lot of growing pains here. Leadership as a coach is much different than as a player. Anybody can be positive and try to motivate their players by massaging their egos. Fish has done that but not really much more. He's still experimenting with his rotation and I think his way of sending a point to his players is to sit them if they're struggling. I have yet to see him scold a player or do anything more than give a puzzled look on the sideline whenever a guy like JR Smith forgets there's more to basketball than shooting.

3.) The Triangle: As was mentioned earlier, the triangle is supposed to be read-and-react, but for all five players. Every player has a role or assignment or spot they're supposed to go to depending on where the basketball goes. 23 games into the season our players still don't know. If any of what Broussard said is true, it's because they seem incapable of figuring out what to do once the first option is taken away. Watching Dalembert in the offense is hilarious. He's too scared to shoot the basketball and quite often when the ball hits his hands and he can't hit the cutter, he looks completely lost. A lot of times he'll have an open 10-12 footer if he turns and faces the basket, but he has no touch or confidence shooting.

Then there's Melo...We still get too focused on either trying to force-feed Melo or our offense stagnates and he decides he's going to shoot regardless. I can understand his frustration because it's almost a lose-lose for him with his play-style and teammates. It's not an offense designed for one person to create shots for others, it's an equal opportunity offense, yet only Melo, JR, THJR, and Amar'e aggressively look for their shots. And they overdo it a lot of times because nobody else does.

The other issue with Melo is we're again in the situation where we're expecting more from him than he's capable of. It's no coincidence that his best year in NY was when he was surrounded by vets like Kidd, Kurt Thomas, Sheed, etc. Guys who could bring the leadership so Melo could play Melo ball.

4.) Lost in here somewhere is the re-emergence of Amar'e Stoudemire. I give him all the props in the worl (still no D) because he looks healthy and dominant in the post offensively. He's actually been our most consistent leader and that's saying alot considering how much he had to sacrifice for Melo and his health issues. The dude basically has done everything to keep his body right.

As I write this, I'm watching the Spurs B team beat us and the offense is so bad to watch at times. It's been like this all year. The players jog and skip to their spots and just stand and watch with no sense of urgency. The spacing is terrible, anytime somebody goes into an iso nobody else moves off of the ball when they should. Sometimes there's great possessions and great execution (usually when we can hit our first option), but 70% of the time it's chaos and confusion.

Honestly I hope we keep losing. This is just going to be a long process because nobody outside of PJ has successfully run the triangle for an extended period of time in the NBA. And if this season is any testament to the learning curve of it, it's going to take a while again once we reload our roster.

[djep]

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I have some issues with Derek Fisher. Maybe I'm putting to much stock into his shady past - the way he basically handed David Stern and the owners the CBA of their dreams during the lockout in 2011 leading to his ouster as union rep, how he weaseled his way out of Dallas. I'm not a believer in Derek Fisher as a leader of men.

I do love Amar'e though. I'd like to keep him beyond this year on a more team friendly contract. I think I might even try bathing in red wine sometime.

[bigeastbumrush]

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Woof.

I just watched the end of the Knicks/Raptors game.

This vaunted Triangle goes where in crunch time?

All I saw was Melo post up, Melo 3, screen for Melo, rinse, repeat.

Just ugly. I don't know what they're trying to sell but I'm not buying.

Team is bad. Not worth the price of admission at all. Melo looks like simply a shooter/scorer. That's it. Like he's just out there saving his energy for one side of the court.

It's gonna take a miracle to fix this team. Not one draft pick or FA.

The culture is in the toilet.

Even with a system in place, the team I saw has zero identity.

Hard to watch.

[mattlanta]

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I believe in a system. Just look at what the Spurs are doing, what the Hawks are doing, etc. It will take time though.

[bigeastbumrush]

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I believe in a system. Just look at what the Spurs are doing, what the Hawks are doing, etc. It will take time though.

not with these players.

[Jeffx]

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I'm looking at the Knicks' schedule - they won't win a game the rest of 2014.

Mavs shot 73% in the 1st quarter last night....


TAKE ME NOW!!!!!!

[djep]

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By the weekend they could end up trailing the Sixers in the standings. Already have more losses than the Sixers right now. Baffling.

[Jeffx]

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Knicks should stop fooling around and just shut Carmelo down the rest of this sorry season.

[bigeastbumrush]

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Melo shut himself down the day he received that contract.

[jb12780]

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This season is done. Team plays with no heart. You wouldn't see Ewing or Starks not giving a **** on D.


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[Vast]

Re: The 2015 New York Knicks: Year 1 of Life "After" Dolan

Wow. man. Is this the worst Knicks team since the 80's?? I already know before the game even begins they have no chance of winning.

[bigeastbumrush]

Re: The 2015 New York Knicks: Year 1 of Life "After" Dolan

Wow. man. Is this the worst Knicks team since the 80's?? I already know before the game even begins they have no chance of winning.