The 2015 New York Knicks: Year 1 of Life "After" Dolan

[CMH]

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I think the "forget the triangle" talk is in relation to the several scenarios the Knicks envision.

If the Knicks don't get the top two picks, they are taking Russell or Mudiay. And if they do, the triangle would need to be heavily altered to use their skill sets.

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[ehh]

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Mudiay makes me so, so nervous. He barely played in China this year and I've watched every available tape of him on the Internet and I'm far from being impressed.

Yes, he's a kid playing vs men and not in shape coming back from the injury but I don't see an elite athlete and I see very questionable decision making. That being said, he's 19. You have absolutely no idea what you're going to get with him. He could improve ten-fold in a year and look like a stud come November. I don't want to risk it though, if we get stuck at #3 then I'm all for Russell.

[CMH]

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I would assume Mudiay is the 4th pick for the Knicks if they get that unlucky.

And honestly, I would be more in favor of taking a guy like Cauley-Stein over Mudiay. I agree with you I don't like his limited action.

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[ehh]

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Personally that's the one name I would avoid. I'd take Winslow or Stanley Johnson over WCS.

I don't think WCS will ever be more than a 3rd or 4th wheel on a contender.

[bigeastbumrush]

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I would assume Mudiay is the 4th pick for the Knicks if they get that unlucky.

And honestly, I would be more in favor of taking a guy like Cauley-Stein over Mudiay. I agree with you I don't like his limited action.

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I wouldn't touch WCS. No skill set to speak of.

My Top 4 would be:
1. Okafor
2. Towns
3. Russell
4. Hezonja

And yes, I've seen less of Hezonja than Mudiay. I just don't think Mudiay will translate like people think he will (next John Wall).

[CMH]

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Oh I don't want Cauley-Stein either especially not at four. I just would prefer him on the team to Mudiay.

Those other names are much better, for sure.

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[ehh]

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And yes, I've seen less of Hezonja than Mudiay. I just don't think Mudiay will translate like people think he will (next John Wall).

Yep, I don't see anything resembling Wall in those vids. Wall had a ton of critics in his year at UK but he was electric in terms of his athleticism, explosiveness and ability to finish. Mudiay, in his most recent games in the playoffs in China, looked absolutely nothing like 2010 John Wall.

[Jeffx]

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Some crazy sh*t involving ex-Knick Chris Copeland. Glad to hear he and his girlfriend are in stable condition.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/indiana-pacers-chris-copeland-stabbed-nyc-club-article-1.2177265

[bigeastbumrush]

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4AM in a nightclub? Don't these NBA players have morning practices/walkthroughs? You would think they'd want to be at least a little bit awake or alert for them.

Makes me wonder all the nonsense that JR Smith was doing while he was out here.

[CMH]

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It's the same thing I said to my girlfriend.

Yes, no one should be stabbed. But what the heck are these guys doing out that late at their age when there's a game the next day?

Sometimes I think it's no secret why some guys never become better than they are.

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[jb12780]

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Probably one of the many reasons JR is doing better in Cleveland.

Reminds me of when Melky Cabrera was traded away from the Yanks. Robinson Cano's batting average went up significantly because him and Melky weren't at the salsa clubs.

As for Copeland, apparently he was thinking about returning to the Knicks. Wonder if this would change his mind.

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[ehh]

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4AM in a nightclub? Don't these NBA players have morning practices/walkthroughs? You would think they'd want to be at least a little bit awake or alert for them.

Makes me wonder all the nonsense that JR Smith was doing while he was out here.

It's the same thing I said to my girlfriend.

Yes, no one should be stabbed. But what the heck are these guys doing out that late at their age when there's a game the next day?

Sometimes I think it's no secret why some guys never become better than they are.

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I don't think morning shootarounds really exist anymore. NBA plays sleep in very late, there's no point in coaches trying to wake their players up early. Might as well let them rest and not try to fight the situation.

If you have a 7pm game, you're out of the arena probably around 10:30-11 and you're still wired and wide awake. Go get a late meal, try to unwind, etc. You're not falling asleep at a reasonable hour. That's the cycle they get into. I think most guys are up until 3-4am on a regular basis anyway.

I have no problem if they're out late and being responsible but if they're hammered then yes, it's a problem. I'm not delusional enough to think that millionaire 20-somethings aren't going to go out and have a good time, especially when they're in NYC.

[bigeastbumrush]

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I don't think morning shootarounds really exist anymore. NBA plays sleep in very late, there's no point in coaches trying to wake their players up early. Might as well let them rest and not try to fight the situation.

If you have a 7pm game, you're out of the arena probably around 10:30-11 and you're still wired and wide awake. Go get a late meal, try to unwind, etc. You're not falling asleep at a reasonable hour. That's the cycle they get into. I think most guys are up until 3-4am on a regular basis anyway.

I have no problem if they're out late and being responsible but if they're hammered then yes, it's a problem. I'm not delusional enough to think that millionaire 20-somethings aren't going to go out and have a good time, especially when they're in NYC.

The Hawks just finished a game that night in Atlanta. And they had a game that same day in Brookyln.

Whether they have walkthroughs or not, these guys just don't show up at the arena at 6:30PM for a 7:30PM game.

There's always film sessions and treatment to go through.

What happened to being a professional and taking your job seriously?

No one says that they have to be locked in a hotel losing their mind.

But 4AM when you just had a game and another one to go?

I agree with CMH. This is why some guys will never amount to anything in the league. There is no sacrifice for some of these guys.

Thabo broke his ankle and is done for the season. For what?

Yeah it could've happened anywhere. But 4AM? Nothing good happens at 4AM.

[ehh]

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The Hawks just finished a game that night in Atlanta. And they had a game that same day in Brookyln.

Whether they have walkthroughs or not, these guys just don't show up at the arena at 6:30PM for a 7:30PM game.

There's always film sessions and treatment to go through.

On a back-to-back I can almost guarantee there was no team shootaround.

Players roughly get to the arena 2.5-3 hours before the game (or they're required to be, obviously the greats get there earlier). So you're there at 4pm for a 7pm game. Staying up to 4am doesn't cause an issue with that time line.

Sure, ideally I'd want every player at home by 10pm but it's unrealistic.

[CMH]

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I dont mind if they are up at that time. Their lives.

But to me, certain players are out that late partying during the season.

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