Rahman vs Toney.....

**thelwig14** · 03-18-2006, 09:38 PM

Re: Rahman vs Toney.....

Originally posted by Complex

Holyfield

Anyone that loses to Oliver McCall in their prime cant be considered great.

Plus, McCall has ridiculous power and anyone who watches boxing can't discredit that. Plus, the fight was stopped too early.

**Complex** · 03-18-2006, 09:39 PM

Re: Rahman vs Toney.....

Originally posted by thelwig14

Holyfield is sooo tight. Though he will always be the best cruiserweight of all-time, I have him behind Lewis post Ali.

Nah...

Holyfield is the only fighter that beat Tyson in his prime.

**thelwig14** · 03-18-2006, 09:44 PM

Re: Rahman vs Toney.....

Originally posted by Complex

Nah...

Holyfield is the only fighter that beat Tyson in his prime.

I don't see how you could not add Buster to that. Plus, I don't think Tyson ever had a prime. His biggest wins were over a light heavyweight who was collecting a paycheck and was ready to retire and a has been heavyweight champion with serious ring rust and in a state of semi-retirement. Tyson delayed the inevitable against Lennox until he absolutely needed the money. He could not duck any longer.

**Complex** · 03-18-2006, 09:46 PM

Re: Rahman vs Toney.....

Originally posted by Mossfan8480

Anybody not interested in this fight can not call themselves a boxing fan. This is a big fight in that it could lead the first true heavyweight champ since Lewis.

Rahman has defeated one of the top heavyweights over the past fifthteen years in Lennox Lewis. Toney has been dominating his opponents since 1997 and might get the titles to match his record.

This will be an interesting and exciting fight as long as Toney doesn't tank with all that excess weight (in the past he has shown to be able to overcome his "fatness").

There is no excuse to miss this fight if you consider yourself a boxing fan - being that its FREE.

Prediction: Toney by decison - 117-112
If there is any KO - expect it to occur in Round 6 (+-2)

must agree....

its amazing people ONLY watch big names that the media pumps up.

so its hard to take their opinions seriously b/c its all based on a highlight reel. this fight will help decide the next clear champion of the HW division.

**Complex** · 03-18-2006, 09:50 PM

Re: Rahman vs Toney.....

Originally posted by thelwig14

I don't see how you could not add Buster to that. Plus, I don't think Tyson ever had a prime. His biggest wins were over a light heavyweight who was collecting a paycheck and was ready to retire and a has been heavyweight champion with serious ring rust and in a state of semi-retirement. Tyson delayed the inevitable against Lennox until he absolutely needed the money. He could not duck any longer.

Tyson lost to Buster, no doubt....but that fight was taken on short notice, Tyson's ego killed him and the fight was still sorta helped by the ref. Holyfield went toe to toe with Tyson and killed him.

but as for Lennox and Tyson...Lennox ducked Tyson and Bowe...I saw Bowe on TV call out Lennox while he had the belt, offering Lewis a shot but he never stepped up.

**thelwig14** · 03-18-2006, 09:55 PM

Re: Rahman vs Toney.....

Originally posted by Complex

Tyson lost to Buster, no doubt....but that fight was taken on short notice, Tyson's ego killed him and the fight was still sorta helped by the ref. Holyfield went toe to toe with Tyson and killed him.

but as for Lennox and Tyson...Lennox ducked Tyson and Bowe...I saw Bowe on TV call out Lennox while he had the belt, offering Lewis a shot but he never stepped up.

We come from different boxing knowledge backgrounds so there is no point in us having a conversation. Buster dominated Tyson the whole fight without the ref.

Plus, it is common knowledge that King and Tyson paid Lennox millions in the early 90's because they did not want to face him. Plus, it is also common knowledge Bowe threw his belts in the trash can rather than face Lennox. Lennox then promptly dispatched of Golota, who dominated Bowe twice and many thought was the best on the planet, in around a minute and a half. George did not want to fight Lennox. Moorer thought he was too big. Evander was really the only one who never dodged Lennox. Tyson went after Evander believing he could beat him knowing he had no shot against Lennox.

**RoyalBoyle78** · 03-18-2006, 09:59 PM

Re: Rahman vs Toney.....

Originally posted by thelwig14

Plus, McCall has ridiculous power and anyone who watches boxing can't discredit that. Plus, the fight was stopped too early.

LOL....The fight was stopped early because Lewis couldn't even stand.

**Complex** · 03-18-2006, 10:01 PM

Re: Rahman vs Toney.....

Originally posted by thelwig14

We come from different boxing knowledge backgrounds so there is no point in us having a conversation. Buster dominated Tyson the whole fight without the ref.

Plus, it is common knowledge that King and Tyson paid Lennox millions in the early 90's because they did not want to face him. Plus, it is also common knowledge Bowe threw his belts in the trash can rather than face Lennox. Lennox then promptly dispatched of Golota, who dominated Bowe twice and many thought was the best on the planet, in around a minute and a half. George did not want to fight Lennox. Moorer thought he was too big. Evander was really the only one who never dodged Lennox. Tyson went after Evander believing he could beat him knowing he had no shot against Lennox.

you trippin.....

Tyson took that fight on short notice. i dont care how great you are, if you dont prepare..you will lose. Sure Buster dominated, any HW that night would have. What did Buster do since?

The belt Bowe threw away has been thrown away by many boxers. that league was and still is very corrupt.

Every great fighter Lewis beat was way past his prime. Except for McCall and Rahman who both knocked him the uck out.

**Complex** · 03-18-2006, 10:22 PM

Re: Rahman vs Toney.....

Toney is killin me with the trash talking from his past...

**RahKhem** · 03-18-2006, 10:54 PM

Re: Rahman vs Toney.....

Good lord, Toney is such a better fighter than Rahman, I mean if he was in any kind of shape, Rahman has no shot.

**Complex** · 03-18-2006, 11:14 PM

Re: Rahman vs Toney.....

Originally posted by RahKhem

Good lord, Toney is such a better fighter than Rahman, I mean if he was in any kind of shape, Rahman has no shot.

Agreed...

**Complex** · 03-18-2006, 11:19 PM

Re: Rahman vs Toney.....

A Draw!?!?!

i think there was a mistake..

**TheTruth916** · 03-18-2006, 11:19 PM

Re: Rahman vs Toney.....

James Toney is not a good heavyweight. Also this is just another black eye for the heavyweight division with no winner. Rahman won the fought in my view.

**thelwig14** · 03-18-2006, 11:26 PM

Re: Rahman vs Toney.....

Originally posted by FootballForever

LOL....The fight was stopped early because Lewis couldn't even stand.

LOL.....you obviously have not seen it then. Lennox was up by 5 and the fight was stopped by a mexican ref that could not speak english and there were implications he was tied to King and the WBC president. Go back and watch it, the fight was stopped too early. Even the commentators believed so.

**thelwig14** · 03-18-2006, 11:30 PM

Re: Rahman vs Toney.....

Originally posted by TheTruth916

James Toney is not a good heavyweight. Also this is just another black eye for the heavyweight division with no winner. Rahman won the fought in my view.

I thought Rahman won also. However, I think both of these fighters are not heavyweight elites. I think Wlad, Peter, Byrd, Brewster, Brock, Maskaev, Chagaev, Ibragimov, Krasniqi, etc. would beat both of them. Rahman just is not smart enough to fight Toney like you should and I think both proved they don't belong in the elite. If Toney decided to get in true shape, he would beat Rahman. But, I don't think he will ever put himself in that position again.

Rahman vs Toney.....

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