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  • Writer's Block
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    • Mar 2007
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    #16
    Re: Floyd Mayweather Pretty much telling you why he's not in Fight Night

    Only Mayweather could be called all kinds of names for taking on the man who arguably beat Pacquaio twice as a tune-up. Weight issues or no weight issues, JMM is an amazing fighter. Also, lets not forget Mayweather went up to junior middleweight to face DLH - a fact most people never seem to remember.

    Also, Mayweather is too much of a businessman to ever take on Pacquaio at 140 and why should he? Pacquaio's fought at 147 before, why can't he do it again?

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    • SHO
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      • Mar 2005
      • 2045

      #17
      Re: Floyd Mayweather Pretty much telling you why he's not in Fight Night

      PBF > Manny

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      • albsur2003
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        • Jun 2003
        • 213

        #18
        Re: Floyd Mayweather Pretty much telling you why he's not in Fight Night

        Originally posted by DTX3
        Well he could be the best P4P fighter in his own little world, but it won't mean anything until he mans up and fights Pacman.
        Dude, Manny is great but Manny fights guys who will come forward and engage him. Anybody that has boxed with Manny, JMM both fights, EM in the first fight, has beat him or at least lost controversially. Floyd is a much better boxer than EM and better than JMM. Plus, he's naturally bigger than Pac and has hands just as fast even though he doesn't throw the wild combos Manny does. Manny deserves tons of credit for his demolition of ODLH and Hatton but Floyd's a different animal. Floyd's hands are just as quick and his defense is WAY too solid. I actually could see Floyd knocking Manny the **** out.

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        • Money99
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          • Sep 2002
          • 12696

          #19
          Re: Floyd Mayweather Pretty much telling you why he's not in Fight Night

          Originally posted by Writer's Block
          Only Mayweather could be called all kinds of names for taking on the man who arguably beat Pacquaio twice as a tune-up. Weight issues or no weight issues, JMM is an amazing fighter. Also, lets not forget Mayweather went up to junior middleweight to face DLH - a fact most people never seem to remember.

          Also, Mayweather is too much of a businessman to ever take on Pacquaio at 140 and why should he? Pacquaio's fought at 147 before, why can't he do it again?
          In the instance where Manny went up to 147, he did it for two reasons:
          1. The money was unbelievable.
          2. He knew he could beat DLH.

          After he demolished DLH, someone asked Roach if Manny would fight Margortio next. Roach laughed saying Manny wasn't crazy.
          DLH is probably the only fighter at 147 that was 'small' enough for Manny to contend with. Manny's perfect fighting weight is probably around 140. Guys like Margarito and Williams are simply too big for him to go after as both of those guys will probably enter the ring at 155 or higher.

          On the other side, Mayweather has fought at 140, so why can't he come down?

          At this point, Mayweather needs Manny more than the other way around.
          PBF's last few fights were great PPV successes but it had way more to do with who he was fighting.

          Manny can sell out Madison Square Gardens and get 1M PPV's fighting a washing machine right now. He doesn't need PBF.
          And because of his naturally smaller size, his quality of opponents over the past 18 months, nobody is expecting him to go up to 147.

          In fact, I'd much rather see a Pacquio-Marquez III than a tilt with PBF. I highly doubt Floyd will consider taking a fight with Manny at any weight below 147.
          He knows he'd be in for a world of hurt and there are rumblings out there that the only reason Floyd is coming back is because he's broke.
          He'll try to earn enough money against safer opposition. If he was coming out of retirement for his 'legacy' he would have challenged Pacquio immediately.

          N51_rob, you do bring up some excellent counter points, but I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

          People can say 'tune-up' fight all they want, but I don't recall Sugar Ray Leonard taking any tune-up fights when he came out of a 3-year retirement and moved up 2 weight classes to take on the conceivably unbeatable Middleweight Champ, Marvin Haglar.

          And the only reason why guys like Mosley and Williams do nothing for PBF is because he knows what hard, tough fights they would be.

          Like I said, I don't dismiss PBF's talent. But I loathe the fact that he ducks fighters or hand-picks guys he knows will be an easy time to pad his stats and wallet.
          If Floyd wants to be mentioned in the same breath as Ali, Robinson and Leonard, then he needs to fight the best fighter every time out during his prime.

          If you're coming out of retirement and insist on fighting at 147, then fight the current champ. Clean out your division or go after the PFP #1 in Manny.
          The Marquez fight to me just stinks of cop-out and what he considers a much easier payday.
          Last edited by Money99; 05-20-2009, 09:21 AM.

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          • Jukeman
            Showtime
            • Aug 2005
            • 10955

            #20
            Re: Floyd Mayweather Pretty much telling you why he's not in Fight Night

            Manny Kool-aid lol

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            • marq
              Pro
              • Jul 2003
              • 549

              #21
              Re: Floyd Mayweather Pretty much telling you why he's not in Fight Night

              Originally posted by N51_rob
              That may be true but the fight was scheduled for 12 rounds was it not. Superior conditioning is not a reason to take some thing from the man. He went 12 and won, not his fault DLH didn't have anything left in the tank.



              He worked his way to the top and had every right to make people come to him. Before he got his big money, he had to fight to earn the right to go after Gatti. Gatti wasn't coming to him nor were the other top guys at 140 prior to his destruction of Gatti. Cotto, Williams and Mosley aren't worth it to him. Simply put what do those guys bring to him. He beats them he was suppose to beat them he loses well then every one can trash PBF. Floyd doesn't owe any of those names a damn thing. They aren't at his level yet so why should he come down to theirs?



              First fight in 2 years and you want him to go after the current P4P #1. Why can't he have a warm-up fight to get his barrings back, I'm sure there will be some ring rust. I think that this is just an unfair criticism on your part. He could've picked any tomato can at 140 or 147, he is at least fighting a guy that will hit him and be a game competitor, and it's boxing so as long as Marquez is throwing he has a great punchers chance.



              It's not hard to tell that I am a PBF fan. One of the more gifted and talented boxers I've seen make his way through boxing. Being only 27 I missed out on the rise of some of the real greats, but it's still been a pleasure to watch PBF. I see the point to some of your arguments, I just hope that I brought a decent counter point to the argument.
              QFT

              Also, why is everyone saying JMM fight is at 147? The maximum contracted weight is 144. If people are going to make assertions in here at least have some facts. Listen, I know people don't like Money Mayweather, but the dude speaks the truth. He will fight Manny and it will probably be at the same weight (max 144). You guys do see what is happening right:
              PBF beats JMM, the man who a lot of people said beat Manny twice, then there is even more money for a Manny fight. It's business. Why not get 2 big paydays instead of 1? So it's okay for Manny to take the easy road with a ODH fight? Contradiction right there.

              They will fight, PBF will win, and there will be more excuses and hate thrown at PBF, the end. At this point, people just want to see him lose and there will always be someone out there who 'can beat him', blah blah blah. Aren't you guys tired of making those claims?

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              • Po Pimp
                MVP
                • Jan 2005
                • 2250

                #22
                Re: Floyd Mayweather Pretty much telling you why he's not in Fight Night

                The only reason anyone is even saying Manny>PBF is because:

                Mayweather vs De La Hoya = Mayweather SD
                Pacquiao vs. De La Hoya = Pacquiao TKO in 6

                Mayweather vs. Hatton = Mayweather KO in 11
                Pacquiao vs. Hatton = Pacquiao KO in 2

                Its easy to say that Pacquiao made shorter work of the same guys Floyd fought, but u can't judge fights based on that.

                Floyd said himself he's not a guy who takes chances in the ring. He's an excellent defensive fighter who doesn't go for the flashy KO. Also, when Pacquiao got to De La Hoya, he was a shell of himself.

                Boxing is all about matchups. Frazier beat Ali. Foreman destroys Foreman. Logic says Foreman should have beat Ali right? We all know what happened in that fight.

                Floyd will destroy Pacquiao.

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                • Jukeman
                  Showtime
                  • Aug 2005
                  • 10955

                  #23
                  Re: Floyd Mayweather Pretty much telling you why he's not in Fight Night

                  Originally posted by Po Pimp
                  The only reason anyone is even saying Manny>PBF is because:

                  Mayweather vs De La Hoya = Mayweather SD
                  Pacquiao vs. De La Hoya = Pacquiao TKO in 6

                  Mayweather vs. Hatton = Mayweather KO in 11
                  Pacquiao vs. Hatton = Pacquiao KO in 2

                  Its easy to say that Pacquiao made shorter work of the same guys Floyd fought, but u can't judge fights based on that.

                  Floyd said himself he's not a guy who takes chances in the ring. He's an excellent defensive fighter who doesn't go for the flashy KO. Also, when Pacquiao got to De La Hoya, he was a shell of himself.

                  Boxing is all about matchups. Frazier beat Ali. Foreman destroys Foreman. Logic says Foreman should have beat Ali right? We all know what happened in that fight.

                  Floyd will destroy Pacquiao.
                  Thank you....Someone who knows Boxing...

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                  • N51_rob
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                    • Jul 2003
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                    #24
                    Re: Floyd Mayweather Pretty much telling you why he's not in Fight Night

                    Originally posted by Money99

                    N51_rob, you do bring up some excellent counter points, but I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

                    People can say 'tune-up' fight all they want, but I don't recall Sugar Ray Leonard taking any tune-up fights when he came out of a 3-year retirement and moved up 2 weight classes to take on the conceivably unbeatable Middleweight Champ, Marvin Haglar.

                    And the only reason why guys like Mosley and Williams do nothing for PBF is because he knows what hard, tough fights they would be.

                    The Marquez fight to me just stinks of cop-out and what he considers a much easier payday.

                    Yeah, I guess on this we will have to. But such is life.

                    I don't think that anyone is going to try to compare PBF to Sugar Ray, least of all me. The fact that he was able to take 3 years off and take out the top guy at the time, speaks volumes to the fact that he is one of the best of all time. PBF maybe one of the best of this era, but he isn't Ray and may never reach that level.

                    When I say what can they do for PBF in regards to Mosley, Williams and Co. They bring no real drawing action. Only real crowds Cotto brings are in NY during Puerto Rican Day weekend. They all have ugly losses. Williams to Quintana, Cotto to Margarito (despite Plaster of Paris rumors no one has vacated the decision. I call this ugly because he was dominating the man for 6 straight rounds), Mosley to Verrnon Forrest twice. The risk far outweighs the reward IMHO for an undefeated fighter looking for PPV buys. (Which say what you want in this era of boxing PBF has earned that right.)

                    This JMM fight probably is a money grab. Like was said earlier if you can get two PPV fights with one being a super fight with Manny why not chase the dollers? Personally I don't like it, because that means that I will end up buying both fights, but get your money while you can if you are Floyd.
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                    • South318
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                      • Oct 2008
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                      #25
                      Re: Floyd Mayweather Pretty much telling you why he's not in Fight Night

                      Originally posted by juk34man
                      Thank you....Someone who knows Boxing...
                      And you don't know boxing either. Because Pac and May fought Hoya at two different weight classes, different weight in gloves, Hoya was healthier and in better condition fighting May, you can see it, it's obvious, styles make fights. Pac style is taylor maid for PBF. He'd KO Pac. Pacman beats two people in which May have already beaten and now his the P4P king. How are you the P4P king when you didn't beat him????? No one in the sport is more talented in all areas than Floyd Mayweather Jr. He's a boxing technian who onle KOs people when he has to.
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                      • Po Pimp
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                        • Jan 2005
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                        #26
                        Re: Floyd Mayweather Pretty much telling you why he's not in Fight Night

                        Originally posted by N51_rob
                        Yeah, I guess on this we will have to. But such is life.

                        I don't think that anyone is going to try to compare PBF to Sugar Ray, least of all me. The fact that he was able to take 3 years off and take out the top guy at the time, speaks volumes to the fact that he is one of the best of all time. PBF maybe one of the best of this era, but he isn't Ray and may never reach that level.

                        When I say what can they do for PBF in regards to Mosley, Williams and Co. They bring no real drawing action. Only real crowds Cotto brings are in NY during Puerto Rican Day weekend. They all have ugly losses. Williams to Quintana, Cotto to Margarito (despite Plaster of Paris rumors no one has vacated the decision. I call this ugly because he was dominating the man for 6 straight rounds), Mosley to Verrnon Forrest twice. The risk far outweighs the reward IMHO for an undefeated fighter looking for PPV buys. (Which say what you want in this era of boxing PBF has earned that right.)

                        This JMM fight probably is a money grab. Like was said earlier if you can get two PPV fights with one being a super fight with Manny why not chase the dollers? Personally I don't like it, because that means that I will end up buying both fights, but get your money while you can if you are Floyd.
                        Sugar Ray Leonard didn't beat Marvin Hagler. He won the fight, but he didn't beat him. I like Ray Leonard, but he ran the whole fight. Hagler was so disgusted at the decision he retired and moved to another country.

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                        • South318
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                          • Oct 2008
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                          #27
                          Re: Floyd Mayweather Pretty much telling you why he's not in Fight Night

                          Pac and May fought Hoya at two different weight classes, different weight in gloves, Hoya was healthier and in better condition fighting May, you can see it, it's obvious, styles make fights. Pac style is taylor maid for PBF. He'd KO Pac. Pacman beats two people in which May have already beaten and now his the P4P king. How are you the P4P king when you didn't beat him????? No one in the sport is more talented in all areas than Floyd Mayweather Jr. He's a boxing technian who onle KOs people when he has to.
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                          • Jukeman
                            Showtime
                            • Aug 2005
                            • 10955

                            #28
                            Re: Floyd Mayweather Pretty much telling you why he's not in Fight Night

                            Originally posted by South318
                            And you don't know boxing either. Because Pac and May fought Hoya at two different weight classes, different weight in gloves, Hoya was healthier and in better condition fighting May, you can see it, it's obvious, styles make fights. Pac style is taylor maid for PBF. He'd KO Pac. Pacman beats two people in which May have already beaten and now his the P4P king. How are you the P4P king when you didn't beat him????? No one in the sport is more talented in all areas than Floyd Mayweather Jr. He's a boxing technian who onle KOs people when he has to.
                            Im assuming you took me for someone else....

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                            • Darxide
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                              • Mar 2006
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                              #29
                              Re: Floyd Mayweather Pretty much telling you why he's not in Fight Night

                              Originally posted by RedheadKingpin
                              I wonder what guys are gonna be saying if he fights and beats Manny.
                              Manny was too small, yadda yadda yadda.

                              Originally posted by Money99
                              Hatton at 147 gave PBF problems.
                              The only problems Hatton gave Floyd was that Floyd's hands probably hurt like hell the next day from landing so many Flush punches. Ricky maybe won 2 rounds. Maybe.

                              As for the weight, If Manny wants the fight, he should go up. Floyd didn't beg DLH for a catchweight, he put rocks in his pockets and did his thing. "Come down to fight me" is lame and I hate when fighters do it.
                              Last edited by Darxide; 05-20-2009, 12:40 PM.

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                              • DTX3
                                Hall Of Fame
                                • Jun 2003
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                                #30
                                Re: Floyd Mayweather Pretty much telling you why he's not in Fight Night

                                Originally posted by RedheadKingpin
                                Who's beat him?

                                I wonder what guys are gonna be saying if he fights and beats Manny.
                                No one has beaten PGF, technically. But if your out calling yourself the best P4P fighter in the world after two years without a fight, then your wrong. There's only one way to find out, and that's a fight with Manny. Floyd is stalling, this is what he does best. At the end of the day these two will fight. If they don't, it's a shame for the sport imo.
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