Let the "HYPE" begin... Pacquiao V Cotto (Nov 14th) MGM Grand

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  • Complex
    MVP
    • Oct 2005
    • 2494

    #16
    Re: Let the "HYPE" begin... Pacquiao V Cotto (Nov 14th) MGM Grand

    Originally posted by parker002
    That may be your opinion, but it wasn't the prevailing opinion at the time. Every time Manny has taken a new fight, everybody says that he's gonna struggle with the bigger man, he hasn't fought a true xxx-weight yet, etc.

    And then he destroys them.

    The simple fact is that Manny gets better with every fight. He's got two hands now, he's getting stronger, and he's not losing any speed.

    Cotto may have a fighting chance, but recent history has taught me to bet on Manny. He's got something magic about him right now.
    So we have two fights at a higher weight class, DLH and Hatton. Neither were tough opponents. Pac has to beat Cotto to be legit at this weight. Cotto is a legit, A level fighter. Pac has essentially 3 - 4 great opponents in his career. He is nice, but he is destroying 140+ bums.
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    • parker002
      MVP
      • Oct 2004
      • 1465

      #17
      Re: Let the "HYPE" begin... Pacquiao V Cotto (Nov 14th) MGM Grand

      Originally posted by Complex
      So we have two fights at a higher weight class, DLH and Hatton. Neither were tough opponents. Pac has to beat Cotto to be legit at this weight. Cotto is a legit, A level fighter. Pac has essentially 3 - 4 great opponents in his career. He is nice, but he is destroying 140+ bums.
      But it's not as if Manny started at 130 and moved up to 145. He started at 107.

      Every time he moves up, we hear that he's never fought anybody "legit" at that weight and then he destroys whoever it is he's fighting.
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      • SHAKYR
        MVP
        • Nov 2003
        • 1795

        #18
        Re: Let the "HYPE" begin... Pacquiao V Cotto (Nov 14th) MGM Grand

        Many of you really give Pacquiao too much credit for beating drained fighters. Freddie Roach even said, in a interview he tries to bring fighters down in weight. It gives Manny an edge. That's why Cotto refused the fight several times and Shane Mosley refused to lose the weight that Pacquiao people proposed. I like Pacquiao, but he doesn't get props for those tactics to win.
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        • parker002
          MVP
          • Oct 2004
          • 1465

          #19
          Re: Let the "HYPE" begin... Pacquiao V Cotto (Nov 14th) MGM Grand

          Originally posted by SHAKYR
          Many of you really give Pacquiao too much credit for beating drained fighters. Freddie Roach even said, in a interview he tries to bring fighters down in weight. It gives Manny an edge. That's why Cotto refused the fight several times and Shane Mosley refused to lose the weight that Pacquiao people proposed. I like Pacquiao, but he doesn't get props for those tactics to win.
          I'm not really giving credit for Manny beating anybody. I'm just saying that every time the naysayers have been proven wrong. I'm just in the "fool me once" camp right now. Every time I think I've found a reason that Manny might struggle, he makes me look like an idiot. I'm not going down that road again until he actually struggles. The burden of proof is on Cotto, AFAIC.
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          • Vince
            Bow for Bau
            • Aug 2002
            • 26017

            #20
            Re: Let the "HYPE" begin... Pacquiao V Cotto (Nov 14th) MGM Grand

            so winner faces winner of JMM/PBF?
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            • parker002
              MVP
              • Oct 2004
              • 1465

              #21
              Re: Let the "HYPE" begin... Pacquiao V Cotto (Nov 14th) MGM Grand

              Originally posted by Vince
              so winner faces winner of JMM/PBF?
              That's the way it should be.

              I'd love to see JMM/Pacman again. Don't see JMM beating PBF though.
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              • bigfnjoe96
                Hall Of Fame
                • Feb 2004
                • 11410

                #22
                Re: Let the "HYPE" begin... Pacquiao V Cotto (Nov 14th) MGM Grand

                @ 145 Pacquiao is playing with fire.. Cotto is a true welterweight with power. Pacquiao is gonna get hit hard. Probably the hardest he's ever been hit.

                Now if Pacquiao stays away from Cotto & fights an outside fight, then he's gonna win easily IMO, but if he chooses to stand there & try to show the world he can go toe 2 toe with the best of the them, he's gonna get knockout...

                November can't get here sooner...

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                • Complex
                  MVP
                  • Oct 2005
                  • 2494

                  #23
                  Re: Let the "HYPE" begin... Pacquiao V Cotto (Nov 14th) MGM Grand

                  no one is doubting manny. he has shown a great ability to adapt lately. in the lower weight class his power was unmatched most times. so once he connected flush, game over. but when matched with barerra, marquez...not so much.

                  this fight is mannys first fight above 130 against an A level fighter. cotto has survived wars too. some wins questionable just like manny. so this 'destroying' of fighters isn't true. I thought hatton would do better, but no one expected him to run in hands down into a punch. lets be honest here, manny has beed dropped by lesser talent.

                  right now I have no winner named. but if cotto shows any flashes of his fght with mosley, not sure manny survives.
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                  • bigfnjoe96
                    Hall Of Fame
                    • Feb 2004
                    • 11410

                    #24
                    Re: Let the "HYPE" begin... Pacquiao V Cotto (Nov 14th) MGM Grand

                    Originally posted by Complex
                    no one is doubting manny. he has shown a great ability to adapt lately. in the lower weight class his power was unmatched most times. so once he connected flush, game over. but when matched with barerra, marquez...not so much.

                    this fight is mannys first fight above 130 against an A level fighter. cotto has survived wars too. some wins questionable just like manny. so this 'destroying' of fighters isn't true. I thought hatton would do better, but no one expected him to run in hands down into a punch. lets be honest here, manny has been dropped by lesser talent.

                    right now I have no winner named. but if cotto shows any flashes of his fght with mosley, not sure manny survives.
                    Totally agree with you here complex. The bolded part is the key I think in Cotto beating Pacquiao. Cotto has been thru some adversity in his last couple of fights, while Manny hasn't. This I think is a BIG advantage for Cotto..

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                    • parker002
                      MVP
                      • Oct 2004
                      • 1465

                      #25
                      Re: Let the "HYPE" begin... Pacquiao V Cotto (Nov 14th) MGM Grand

                      Originally posted by Complex
                      no one is doubting manny. he has shown a great ability to adapt lately. in the lower weight class his power was unmatched most times. so once he connected flush, game over. but when matched with barerra, marquez...not so much.

                      this fight is mannys first fight above 130 against an A level fighter. cotto has survived wars too. some wins questionable just like manny. so this 'destroying' of fighters isn't true. I thought hatton would do better, but no one expected him to run in hands down into a punch. lets be honest here, manny has beed dropped by lesser talent.

                      right now I have no winner named. but if cotto shows any flashes of his fght with mosley, not sure manny survives.
                      I hear ya. I'm not basing my opinion on stats, styles, or anything of the like.

                      It's based solely on the fact that every time I doubt Manny, he gives me another reason not to doubt. Call it "gut", or call it "tired of being wrong". It's like the Patriots 2 years ago, every week they were "going to lose" and they never did. I'm just not betting against Manny again until he gives me a reason to.
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                      • Complex
                        MVP
                        • Oct 2005
                        • 2494

                        #26
                        Re: Let the "HYPE" begin... Pacquiao V Cotto (Nov 14th) MGM Grand

                        Originally posted by parker002
                        I hear ya. I'm not basing my opinion on stats, styles, or anything of the like.

                        It's based solely on the fact that every time I doubt Manny, he gives me another reason not to doubt. Call it "gut", or call it "tired of being wrong". It's like the Patriots 2 years ago, every week they were "going to lose" and they never did. I'm just not betting against Manny again until he gives me a reason to.
                        I feel what you are saying. When the lights shine bright, Manny seems to flourish. Its that quality that is hard to measure. Brady has it, heck even Andre Rison had it lol.
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                        • parker002
                          MVP
                          • Oct 2004
                          • 1465

                          #27
                          Re: Let the "HYPE" begin... Pacquiao V Cotto (Nov 14th) MGM Grand

                          Originally posted by Complex
                          I feel what you are saying. When the lights shine bright, Manny seems to flourish. Its that quality that is hard to measure. Brady has it, heck even Andre Rison had it lol.
                          Yep, you're getting what I'm laying down. My head says Cotto has all the tools to make this a fight, but there's just that "something" about Manny.
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                          • Po Pimp
                            MVP
                            • Jan 2005
                            • 2249

                            #28
                            Re: Let the "HYPE" begin... Pacquiao V Cotto (Nov 14th) MGM Grand

                            Originally posted by parker002
                            Yep, you're getting what I'm laying down. My head says Cotto has all the tools to make this a fight, but there's just that "something" about Manny.
                            Manny is cold, no doubt, but cats are acting like he's never lost. He has 3 losses and 2 of em I believe were KOs. He's not unbeatable.

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                            • parker002
                              MVP
                              • Oct 2004
                              • 1465

                              #29
                              Re: Let the "HYPE" begin... Pacquiao V Cotto (Nov 14th) MGM Grand

                              Originally posted by Po Pimp
                              Manny is cold, no doubt, but cats are acting like he's never lost. He has 3 losses and 2 of em I believe were KOs. He's not unbeatable.
                              Those were earlier in his career. He's a night-and-day different fighter now. Hell, until about 3 years ago, he was a completely one-handed fighter.

                              Not saying he's not beatable, just saying that he used to be much more of a fighter and now he's got technique too.
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                              • justmanj
                                Rookie
                                • Dec 2008
                                • 206

                                #30
                                Re: Let the "HYPE" begin... Pacquiao V Cotto (Nov 14th) MGM Grand

                                Here's my question. If Pac or Money lose their fights (especially Money), what kind of blow does the sport take? I can see Cotto winning and still generating at least 2/3 of the Pac/Money fight, but if Money loses, the sport takes a pretty big hit. At least until the Super Middleweight Tournament (can't wait for that to start).

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