Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Shane Mosley - 05-01-2010

[King_B_Mack]

Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Shane Mosley - 05-01-2010

Like PBF or not but this guy is a genius!!!!

At this point in his career, dude prolly really dont even care if he loses or not..

He's selling himself and people are eating him up!!!!!

He is convincing people that he is the greatest...Those guys will pay to see him win and the doubters/haters will pay to see him loss...

No doubt man. That's one of the reasons I love PBF. Obviously the guy does have an ego and some of what we see IS really him, but for the most part, the guy is putting on a show. People legitimately believe that he's "scared" of certain boxers, or that he really is as arrogant and self centered as he acts in front of the cameras. The guy is a businessman/athlete and the level of hate he generates is freakin' hilarious to me if not a bit annoying at times. It's funny though, cause it's just like he said on last night's 24/7. He pulls you into it and gets you right where he wants you. Naazim said from the beginning that they wouldn't be fighting a war of words and all this other bs with Floyd. Floyd yapped a little like he does and boom Naazim and Shane are right there throwing shots and jabs on tv with him. The guy is a genius and he's basically working right out of the Ali playbook. If people hate Floyd and not Ali then they should take time out and examine themselves for a bit before letting something like that be publicly known.

[JayBee74]

Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Shane Mosley - 05-01-2010

If people hate Floyd and not Ali then they should take time out and examine themselves for a bit before letting something like that be publicly known.

Why? Ali was an icon, who was guided by deep religious beliefs and had a world wide following. Floyd is a great boxer with a big mouth, not particularly witty, no charm, boorish, brags about his money, and talks about his "brand" expecting everyone in the world to relish in the fact he makes a good living.
JAYBEE74 SAYS ALI IS THE GREATEST-FLOYD MAYWEATHER IS NOT!

[TheUltimateName]

Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Shane Mosley - 05-01-2010

Floyd only talks big to sale fights. If you go back to his earlier fights he sounded humble and was never loud. He started getting loud the gatti fight because that was his first big money fight

[King_B_Mack]

Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Shane Mosley - 05-01-2010

Why? Ali was an icon, who was guided by deep religious beliefs and had a world wide following. Floyd is a great boxer with a big mouth, not particularly witty, no charm, boorish, brags about his money, and talks about his "brand" expecting everyone in the world to relish in the fact he makes a good living.
JAYBEE74 SAYS ALI IS THE GREATEST-FLOYD MAYWEATHER IS NOT!

Dude times are different. Athletes weren't making the cash they are now otherwise Ali would have incorportated his paychecks into his act. Ali didn't hate Howard Cosell but he talked trash about him all the time in front of the cameras because it was good entertainment. Floyd is doing what Ali was doing in his time by being a loud mouth. You don't think Ali was considered a loud mouth in his time? You don't think he bragged about himself and his brand during his time? Ali is an icon NOW, he wasn't an icon when he was boxing, at least not outside the black community. Btw, those are the people who mostly back Floyd as we speak. The fact that you think Floyd truly expects people to relish in his success proves the point that it's an act, it's a game and you're playing right into what he wants you to think of him. You think Floyd gives a crap if you or me or anybody is happy about him being successful? Therein lies his genius because it seems you do.

[JayBee74]

Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Shane Mosley - 05-01-2010

Dude times are different. Athletes weren't making the cash they are now otherwise Ali would have incorportated his paychecks into his act. Ali didn't hate Howard Cosell but he talked trash about him all the time in front of the cameras because it was good entertainment. Floyd is doing what Ali was doing in his time by being a loud mouth. You don't think Ali was considered a loud mouth in his time? You don't think he bragged about himself and his brand during his time? Ali is an icon NOW, he wasn't an icon when he was boxing, at least not outside the black community. Btw, those are the people who mostly back Floyd as we speak. The fact that you think Floyd truly expects people to relish in his success proves the point that it's an act, it's a game and you're playing right into what he wants you to think of him. You think Floyd gives a crap if you or me or anybody is happy about him being successful? Therein lies his genius because it seems you do.

Sure Ali was an icon while fighting, mostly during and after his 3 1/2 year exile from boxing (67-70). I remember the Sports Illustrated Cover after his loss in the first Frasier fight in 1971, "End Of The Ali Legend". I was a white kid in Maryland in 1970, and was one of many white fans of him at that time. He was a huge hero to college kids of all races when he refused to be drafted and talked at numerous campuses around the country during his banishment from his sport.
As far as Cosell was concerned nobody ever thought Ali hated Cosell. There was a genuine fondness between the two that showed up on screen, and nothing more than "hard teasing" occurred between the two. Cosell backed Ali when it wasn't popular do so, defended his right to fight during Muhammad's appeal process and had nothing to gain by it. Cosell was reviled by the same people that hated Ali.
Floyd is a self centered jerk . There ought to be a fine or a law to put Ali and him in the same sentence.

[allBthere]

Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Shane Mosley - 05-01-2010

Give me Joe Louis, Marciano, Patterson over Ali anyday. I have never been a fan of his past antics and don't think he was funny (he certainly did think he was) ... That thrilla in manilla stuff was just crap imo. He did have a redeeming quality of a certain charm at times and was also honest about his opponents AFTER fights. The things he said about Smokin' Joe Frazier were pretty cool.

The greatest of all time was Sugar Ray Robinson. Man I wish Prime Robinson could teach prime PBF a lesson!

anyway, yeah...I agree to an extent with what you said about if you hate PBF, you should hate Ali, but I just don't think it's equal. I see the similarities too and I never liked those.

I will always 100% root for fighters that I like first and foremost. I like Shane AND I think he does have the tools to get it done. I'm not predicting him to win though and will not predict anything - I just want to watch the fight without expectations and completely in the boxing fan "zone".

[JayBee74]

Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Shane Mosley - 05-01-2010

I will always 100% root for fighters that I like first and foremost. I like Shane AND I think he does have the tools to get it done. I'm not predicting him to win though and will not predict anything - I just want to watch the fight without expectations and completely in the boxing fan "zone".

That's cool and you're right. King Mac is not a bad guy for supporting Floyd (just misguided, LOL). Most fights I'm pretty neutral and just looking for a great fight-this is not one of those fights.

[TheUltimateName]

Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Shane Mosley - 05-01-2010

Sure Ali was an icon while fighting, mostly during and after his 3 1/2 year exile from boxing (67-70). I remember the Sports Illustrated Cover after his loss in the first Frasier fight in 1971, "End Of The Ali Legend". I was a white kid in Maryland in 1970, and was one of many white fans of him at that time. He was a huge hero to college kids of all races when he refused to be drafted and talked at numerous campuses around the country during his banishment from his sport.
As far as Cosell was concerned nobody ever thought Ali hated Cosell. There was a genuine fondness between the two that showed up on screen, and nothing more than "hard teasing" occurred between the two. Cosell backed Ali when it wasn't popular do so, defended his right to fight during Muhammad's appeal process and had nothing to gain by it. Cosell was reviled by the same people that hated Ali.
Floyd is a self centered jerk . There ought to be a fine or a law to put Ali and him in the same sentence.

go back and listen to older floyd interviews. Totally different guy. He could not get the superstar status when he was winning and being humble, so now he talks alot to get people watching.

[JerseySuave4]

Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Shane Mosley - 05-01-2010

go back and listen to older floyd interviews. Totally different guy. He could not get the superstar status when he was winning and being humble, so now he talks alot to get people watching.

ding ding ding we have a winner! Floyd is no dummy. He knows what sells fights. Why has 24/7 become such an interesting show? Because of guys like Floyd. These other guys are boring and not interesting to watch. Imagine Pacquiao-Mosley 24/7, that'd be such a snoozefest. Floyd is the only reason to tune into 24/7 now although he is getting a little too excessive with his money talk the past few episodes. We get it, you got money, you like money. But Floyd plays the villian because good guy vs bad guy sells more. Floyd actually allows people to sit through 30 mins of looking at Mosley's plastic surgery, broken nose, about to cry, grossed out looking face. Shane is so boring and he sounds and looks like he's about to cry all the time.

Floyd may be cocky but so was Ali. Floyd can run his mouth all he wants until someone finally beats him and shuts him up. When Floyd was going about his business and winning fights, he wasn't making the kind of money he makes now and getting the attention he gets now. Being cocky, being loud, being arrogent gets everyone interested. Fans of his tune in to watch him win, people that can't stand him tune in to watch him lose. But either way, people want to tune in.

[Money99]

Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Shane Mosley - 05-01-2010

Floyd's always maintained that he doesn't study any of his opponents film. He claims he jumps in the ring and creates his game plan on the fly.

Because his body guards are professional athletes correct?

But I thought Mayweather is on such high morale ground?

Am I the only one here who thinks it's extremely suspicious that Mayweather only cared about PED's once he knew he couldn't avoid Pacquio?
Did he suddenly have a revelation 1 day after fighting Marquez? Why no testing for him?

Pac's probably hiding something but at the same time I think it's fairly obvious (to those not drinking the koolaid) that Floyd was looking for any excuse he could find so he wouldn't have to step into the ring with Pacman.
Just like, prior to his first retirement, he wouldn't have stepped in the ring against Margarito even if he was allowed to bring a shotgun into the ring.
Pacquio's just one of many opponents Floyd has ducked over his career. An undefeated record means nothing if you pick and choose your opponent.
But hey, you're allowed to do that when you hide behind a manufactured escape-clause by nicknaming yourself 'money'. "I only fight for money. If there's no money it, I don't fight!".
It's a beautiful strategy for anyone that doesn't want to have to own up to being downright scared and cowardly when facing a real challenge.

[pietasterp]

Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Shane Mosley - 05-01-2010

I agree to some extent, Money99 (funny - same nickname as Floyd!!! ;0), but even if it was a ploy by Mayweather to duck Pac, there was a simple, air-tight, definite solution for it: agree to the testing. Then he has nowhere to hide. I won't re-hash the nauseating, circular, 80-page thread about the whole fiasco again, but for me, all I learned out of that whole episode is that Pac is almost certainly using PED's of some sort.

I don't know if PBF is one of the greats, but he's a really good technical fighter who I respect (and kinda like), but watching him fight puts me to sleep. But, as someone else already pointed out, he's pretty savvy and he knows that his fighting style doesn't necessarily sell tickets, so he uses his #1 asset: his mouth. He uses bombast and hype to sell fights, in lieu of a crowd-pleasing, action style. The more people hate him/want to see him beat, the more $$$$ he sees. Not the most pleasing of tactics, but it seems to work.

Having said all that, I think Shane has the speed and power to decisively beat him, and with Nazim Richardson in his corner, it seems like a match made in heaven. The way he looked against Margo was breathtaking, and if he looks anywhere near that good Saturday, he could knock out PBF. Of course, I always think that, but then PBF just makes guys look so bad when they get in the ring with him. He's like the Butler U of boxing - everyone ends up saying they had an off-day, but really he MADE them have an off-day. PBF in a decision wouldn't surprise me, but I would only be moderately surprised with a Mosley victory.

So yeah, I pretty much have no idea what's going to happen...

[TheUltimateName]

Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Shane Mosley - 05-01-2010

But I thought Mayweather is on such high morale ground?

Am I the only one here who thinks it's extremely suspicious that Mayweather only cared about PED's once he knew he couldn't avoid Pacquio?
Did he suddenly have a revelation 1 day after fighting Marquez? Why no testing for him?

Pac's probably hiding something but at the same time I think it's fairly obvious (to those not drinking the koolaid) that Floyd was looking for any excuse he could find so he wouldn't have to step into the ring with Pacman.
Just like, prior to his first retirement, he wouldn't have stepped in the ring against Margarito even if he was allowed to bring a shotgun into the ring.
Pacquio's just one of many opponents Floyd has ducked over his career. An undefeated record means nothing if you pick and choose your opponent.
But hey, you're allowed to do that when you hide behind a manufactured escape-clause by nicknaming yourself 'money'. "I only fight for money. If there's no money it, I don't fight!".
It's a beautiful strategy for anyone that doesn't want to have to own up to being downright scared and cowardly when facing a real challenge.

Dont agree with the ducking part. Floyd challenged everyone from shane, to oscar (in their prime). They said no because floyd was not a big name (no problem to me). Once floyd made himself a big name then everyone wants to come out their mouth to say they want to fight him. Years back shane came up with some weak excuse of his teeth hurting as to why he did not want to fight floyd. At the end of the day, its all about money, not just with floyd but with all fighters. Pacman didnt fight nate campbell. I dont call it ducking, its just that the money wasnt there.

[Artman22]

Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Shane Mosley - 05-01-2010

I can you assure what's never been seen? It's the same tune coming into everyone of Mayweathers fights. "He isn't strong enough", "he doesn't have the chin", "he can't take punches", "he's too defensive", etc, etc, etc. At some point,you have to throw all that nonsense out the window. I'm done doubting the man.

With that said, I do give Mosely a chance, and I can see a possible upset for a single reason. Naazim Richardson. In my opinion, the best trainer out there by a long shot.

So while I give Mosely a solid chance at winning, I can no longer bet against Mayweather. We've all heard this tune before, and it's likely we'll see a similar outcome to his previous 40 fights come May 1st.

This is going to be Mayweathers hardest opponent in a while. Mayweather avoids fighters so he's no true champ in my book. I do give Mayweather his props, but I hope he gets destroyed by mosley that's all.

[utexas]

Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Shane Mosley - 05-01-2010

Dont agree with the ducking part. Floyd challenged everyone from shane, to oscar (in their prime). They said no because floyd was not a big name (no problem to me). Once floyd made himself a big name then everyone wants to come out their mouth to say they want to fight him. Years back shane came up with some weak excuse of his teeth hurting as to why he did not want to fight floyd. At the end of the day, its all about money, not just with floyd but with all fighters. Pacman didnt fight nate campbell. I dont call it ducking, its just that the money wasnt there.

QFT, and all of the mayweather haters who happen to be pac lovers can make it sound like Floys was the reason the fight didn't happen, but we know the guy with tattoos is scared of needles so Floyd had to fight Shane

[King_B_Mack]

Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Shane Mosley - 05-01-2010

But I thought Mayweather is on such high morale ground?

Am I the only one here who thinks it's extremely suspicious that Mayweather only cared about PED's once he knew he couldn't avoid Pacquio?
Did he suddenly have a revelation 1 day after fighting Marquez? Why no testing for him?

Pac's probably hiding something but at the same time I think it's fairly obvious (to those not drinking the koolaid) that Floyd was looking for any excuse he could find so he wouldn't have to step into the ring with Pacman.
Just like, prior to his first retirement, he wouldn't have stepped in the ring against Margarito even if he was allowed to bring a shotgun into the ring.
Pacquio's just one of many opponents Floyd has ducked over his career. An undefeated record means nothing if you pick and choose your opponent.
But hey, you're allowed to do that when you hide behind a manufactured escape-clause by nicknaming yourself 'money'. "I only fight for money. If there's no money it, I don't fight!".
It's a beautiful strategy for anyone that doesn't want to have to own up to being downright scared and cowardly when facing a real challenge.

Dude why are we starting this ducking talk all over again? Just let it go, it's obvious, you hate Floyd so anybody he doesn't fight you're going to say he ducked them. Anything he does that can possibly be twisted negatively you're going to find the way to twist it. Weren't you the guy who had the topic about him and apparently some little backwater pub in some small town Floyd was in where he and his crew kicked some poor guy's *** for no reason? Come on you clearly don't like the guy, we get it. You're even going after the security he hires for himself as reason to hate the guy. Seriously? Is Floyd on a morale high ground now? Somewhat, but as he himself explained and as it should be obvious to anyone with their hate goggles on 2 or lower his crusade against steroids is regarding people stepping into a ring and being legally allowed to pound each other in the face repeatedly for extended periods of times. Who gives a **** if his security is using steroids? They're job is to keep people from getting too close to him which requires size to be intimidating as well as actually being strong enough to hold someone back. Furthermore who said they're on steroids? Newsflash, there are people who are actually dedicated enough to get their bodies in that kind of shape without using illegal means. Are they using roids? More than likely, but that doesn't give YOU or anyone the right to go around saying it as if it's fact that they actually are. I can't help but notice you don't think of Shane's big beefcake of a bodyguard as being on roids or at least you aren't mentioning him.

As for ducking people, it's getting old. Wasn't Shane Mosley on the list of the "MANY OPPONENTS" that Floyd has ducked over the years? Yeah, people talked about him ducking Mosley and lots of other guys like Manny. What's funny is that everytime he fights someone that people claim he ducks, they go out and find another fighter that he hasn't fought yet and talk about him ducking that person and completely ignoring the fact that he's just fought yet another name that they were throwing around a year prior. It should be clear by now, Floyd fights for money. It doesn't matter who it is as long as the mega dollars are there he's going to fight them. Example? Manny Pacquiao...oh wait he's afraid of need...I mean superstitious...I mean concerned he'll be weak...I mean afraid of losin...I mean...I don't know what I mean anymore.

[BEGIN SARCASM]Let us all take the time to say a prayer in the name of Saint Floyd who has tapped into that other part of the human brain that allows us the ability to read minds and used that ability to devise the plot of the century to duck a fight without being considered a ducker (even though he's still getting the blame of ducking and ruining this fight) by asking for a blood test. Yes, oh ye Floyd is good, knowing the response that would come from his opponent allowing his devious plan to go off without a hitch (except for that little nagging issue where everyone still blames him for the fight not happening). Oh bless you Father Floyd and see fit to one day teach us your ways.[/END SARCASM]