Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Shane Mosley - 05-01-2010

[mattlanta]

Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Shane Mosley - 05-01-2010

The whole I get weak because of a thimble of blood withdrawn from me is stupid and dumb and here's why.

Let's say Manny gets cut in the fight in the 2nd round and he loses more blood in that round than he does if it were withdrawn from him.

Does he A, quit the fight?

Does he B, continue on and throw punches as he always has?

Too let him tell it, he should get weak and then he will get demolished. I am curious to see him get cut in the ring, see his own blood? this will be the most anti-climatic cut in boxing history.

So the day of the fight no test because it will make me weak, that's Manny's position.

So if he get cut in the ring early on, what will he do.

Against Morales. He lost that fight, and that's what is probably making him scared. Because coincidentally, he took a blood test I think the day before that fight, and that was also the last time he lost.

But like I said, I don't agree with Pacquiao on this part. Like I said before, I think he should take the drug tests and have it over with.

[mattlanta]

Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Shane Mosley - 05-01-2010

Pacquiao never agreed to random blood testing. If you're going to try to call someone out on getting correct facts, then you better make sure you show up with them.

http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=27461

and

http://teampilipinas.info/2010/05/pacquiao-denies-bending-to-mayweather.html

Manny has always stood by unlimited piss tests and only three blood tests. Two before the 24 date cutoff that he wouldn't budge on and a final one after the fight. Knowing how many tests you have coming defeats the entire purpose of testing. If I know I have only two blood tests to worry about and a camp is eight weeks or so, I can pretty much estimate when those tests are coming. You probably won't see one in the first two weeks of camp so you can take something that will be out of your system in that time. Once you get that first test, your second and final pre-fight blood test is going to come as close to the fight date as possible so if you've gotten the first one in say...week three you've now got five weeks to go nuts with whatever you're taking and then inside of 24 days to take things that can be out of your system by the end of the fight. Defending Manny in this situation when he's trying to put himself in the best possible position to beat a drug test is just insane. You have no choice but to see this guy as guilty until he proves otherwise because he's acting like a guilty man.

Your hate for Pacquiao and his fans are blinding you, literally. Read most of my posts instead of just skimming through it and assuming what I'm trying to argue.

[backbreaker]

Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Shane Mosley - 05-01-2010

Against Morales. He lost that fight, and that's what is probably making him scared. Because coincidentally, he took a blood test I think the day before that fight, and that was also the last time he lost.

But like I said, I don't agree with Pacquiao on this part. Like I said before, I think he should take the drug tests and have it over with.

Again this is why I say that blood will weaken me is BS, here is the fight you mentioned and Pac. Still box/fought with no problems.

At the 1:15mark in this video. Case Closed take the test, their were many more rounds to go.

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[Jukeman]

Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Shane Mosley - 05-01-2010

Against Morales. He lost that fight, and that's what is probably making him scared. Because coincidentally, he took a blood test I think the day before that fight, and that was also the last time he lost.

But like I said, I don't agree with Pacquiao on this part. Like I said before, I think he should take the drug tests and have it over with.

Maybe cuz he didnt have his steriods

[mattlanta]

Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Shane Mosley - 05-01-2010

Maybe cuz he didnt have his steriods

Ha ha ?

[BOSsTOwN]

Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Shane Mosley - 05-01-2010

Maybe cuz he didnt have his steriods

[King_B_Mack]

Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Shane Mosley - 05-01-2010

Your hate for Pacquiao and his fans are blinding you, literally. Read most of my posts instead of just skimming through it and assuming what I'm trying to argue.

I see, so you're jumping on me for not reading your posts as you assume that I'm just skimming through them? I've seen your posts, I've seen you throw in that you think he should take the test. But when the rest of your post is you putting up defenses for people questioning him about his decisions and call people out on fact checking without checking your own facts, what do you expect?

[Relentless]

Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Shane Mosley - 05-01-2010

Floyd Mayweather Jr. calls himself "Money," and the welterweight star sure knows how to generate it.

Mayweather's lopsided decision victory against Shane Mosley (46-6, 39 KOs) on May 1 at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas generated 1.4 million domestic pay-per-view buys and $78.3 million in television revenue, HBO announced on Tuesday.

That makes the fight the second-biggest non-heavyweight pay-per-view bout in history.

The buy total ties the fight with the 1999 welterweight unification showdown between Oscar De La Hoya and Felix Trinidad. However, Mayweather-Mosley generated more money because pay-per-view costs more. Trinidad-De La Hoya grossed $70.6 million.

Mayweather's 2007 decision win for the junior middleweight title against the now-retired De La Hoya, the reigning pay-per-view king in terms of total dollars, set the all-time pay-per-view record with 2.446 million buys and nearly $137 million in revenue.

The pay-per-view buy total for Mayweather-Mosley was derived from 740,000 buys from cable homes and 660,000 from satellite and broadband homes, HBO announced.

It is the third time in his last four bouts that Mayweather (41-0, 25 KOs) -- with a big benefit from HBO's "24/7" series that has followed the build-up to his recent fights -- has cracked one million buys as he continues to generate tremendous interest in his fights.

Besides the record-breaker with De La Hoya, Mayweather returned from a brief retirement to defeat Juan Manuel Marquez in September in a fight that sold 1.08 million units and generated $55.6 million.

In the history of pay-per-view, six non-heavyweight fights have surpassed 1 million buys. Mayweather has been involved in three of them. De La Hoya has also been in three of them. Manny Pacquiao, the presumptive next opponent for Mayweather in the fall, has been in two of them.

Now thats big business.

[Str8_A]

Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Shane Mosley - 05-01-2010

Mayweather-Mosley test dates revealed

http://sports.yahoo.com/box/news?slug=ki-bloodtests052110

Blood was last drawn 18 days before fight night. I thought they were randomly drawing blood up until fight night?

[pietasterp]

Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Shane Mosley - 05-01-2010

Mayweather-Mosley test dates revealed

http://sports.yahoo.com/box/news?slug=ki-bloodtests052110

Blood was last drawn 18 days before fight night. I thought they were randomly drawing blood up until fight night?

Right, but the key word is "random". No one ever said you WOULD be tested inside of 2 weeks of fight night (although both fighters were tested on fight night), but you COULD be...I know it's a subtle distinction, but an important one. In other words, random blood testing all the way up to the night of the fight means that the entire training and pre-fight time is the available "window" in which you could be tested - it's not a guarantee, but any time during that time up to fight night you may have to give blood (at USADA's discretion).

On the other hand, what Pac's camp wanted was some kind of cut-off date after which a guarantee was given that no blood would be taken; in other words, they wanted the available "window" for blood testing to close 14-days or whatever before the fight. Not good enough, according to camp Mayweather.

So basically, that yahoo story really didn't illustrate anything significant, and I have no idea why Kevin Iole or whoever even bothered to write it up...

[Str8_A]

Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Shane Mosley - 05-01-2010

Right, but the key word is "random". No one ever said you WOULD be tested inside of 2 weeks of fight night (although both fighters were tested on fight night), but you COULD be...I know it's a subtle distinction, but an important one. In other words, random blood testing all the way up to the night of the fight means that the entire training and pre-fight time is the available "window" in which you could be tested - it's not a guarantee, but any time during that time up to fight night you may have to give blood (at USADA's discretion).

On the other hand, what Pac's camp wanted was some kind of cut-off date after which a guarantee was given that no blood would be taken; in other words, they wanted the available "window" for blood testing to close 14-days or whatever before the fight. Not good enough, according to camp Mayweather.

So basically, that yahoo story really didn't illustrate anything significant, and I have no idea why Kevin Iole or whoever even bothered to write it up...

I can agree w/ the "randomness." But why stop 18 days before the fight? Wouldn't you think it be best to spread out the blood tests, and have a test or two within the two weeks from the fight to be absolutely sure that the fighters aren't on PEDS? This also would've disapproved Pacquiao's claims that blood testing affects a boxer's performance. I think the USADA dropped the ball on this.

[pietasterp]

Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Shane Mosley - 05-01-2010

I can agree w/ the "randomness." But why stop 18 days before the fight? Wouldn't you think it be best to spread out the blood tests, and have a test or two within the two weeks from the fight to be absolutely sure that the fighters aren't on PEDS? This also would've disapproved Pacquiao's claims that blood testing affects a boxer's performance. I think the USADA dropped the ball on this.

Yeah, I can't comment on why they decided not to take a sample inside of 18 days, but it's merely the threat of blood test that is supposed to keep the fighters honest. Maybe they have some sort of randomization scheme and it just so happened that for the last 18 days, the random number generator or whatever didn't say "test" so they never did. Although in the second-to-last 24-7, didn't I remember they tested Shane right as he was leaving Big Bear to go to Vegas? I can't imagine that was more than 18 days pre-fight...

[cjallure24]

Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Shane Mosley - 05-01-2010

That was urine it wasn't blood. Shane was dehydrated and stated that he rather them take blood, but they did a urine test.