Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Shane Mosley - 05-01-2010

[marq]

Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Shane Mosley - 05-01-2010

This ^^^^

So, I was just watching Around the Horn and heard JA Adande say that he believed Floyd is scared of losing his unblemished record as a reason for "adding all these stipulations" as the reason for the fight not happening with Pacquiao. Pretty much everyone I've seen on ESPN is speaking of Mayweather being afraid of Pacquiao and pumping up this guy, which I find hilarious considering how much they pound baseball players and Bud Selig for the cheating in their sport. Like Barry Bonds being crucified by them all this time.

Anyway, hearing Adande say this made me stop and think about a point I've never actually even thought of. We have all these people that are usually Pacquiao fans talking about Floyd demanding testing as a early excuse strategy for if he loses. But what about Pacquiao? Shane Mosley wanted Mayweather OR Pacquiao and Pacquiao's people wouldn't even talk to Mosley. Pacquiao has walked away from fighting the #2 and #3 p4p fighters. Is it at all possible (since throwing out conspiracies and whatnot is okay when it's against Mayweather) that Manny wouldn't agree with the testing for the Mayweather fight because he does have something to hide or he A) Didn't want the possiblity of losing to Mayweather on his record right before his big election in the Philippines, B) Knows how hated Mayweather is and that he could avoid the testing and have Floyd take the blame for the fight not happening or C) Knows that the fight will still be available later in the year and could use the fact that he could be in office at the time of a potential future fight as an excuse for a loss should he suffer one at the hands of Mayweather? I mean it's not like he's above making excuses for a loss. Case in point? Erik Morales. Any thoughts?

Agreed. I have been saying the SAME THING for months regarding the testing. This is a sport where the object is to actually HIT another PERSON, not a ball. I can't believe it when they spew the nonsense that JA Adande, Wilbon, Bayless, Sportsguy or whoever else says that the testing is a way for Mayweather to dodge the fight. But again, the media didn't even inquire about McGwire, even though his brother was a bodybuilder (profession that relies HEAVILY on 'roids, etc.)

And Mosely was on the table for Pac, but Roach wanted a catchweight of 142 according to sources and boxing websites. A drained SSM would've been easy pickings

[pk500]

Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Shane Mosley - 05-01-2010

I kicked around this idea to a few people..


Wouldn't it be great if Mayweather/Goldenboy and lets say. Gary Shaw Promotions or some other company with a wide roster.. Demanded this USADA style testing for all of their fighters and opponents.. that could shake up the industry and perhaps drum up public support.. and put pressure on the governing bodies..

Great idea. It should become the sport's standard.

[pk500]

Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Shane Mosley - 05-01-2010

Agreed. I have been saying the SAME THING for months regarding the testing. This is a sport where the object is to actually HIT another PERSON, not a ball. I can't believe it when they spew the nonsense that JA Adande, Wilbon, Bayless, Sportsguy or whoever else says that the testing is a way for Mayweather to dodge the fight. But again, the media didn't even inquire about McGwire, even though his brother was a bodybuilder (profession that relies HEAVILY on 'roids, etc.)

The reason those fools spout drivel is because they don't know a damn thing about boxing and don't follow it except for the two weekends per year that there's a true superfight. Yet like every other talking head on ESPN, they fake omniscience about every sport they blabber about.

I'll listen or read to true boxing writers/reporters like Brian Kenny, Dan Rafael and Kieran Mulvaney at ESPN.com, Doug Fischer, Bill Detloff, Nigel Collins and Michael Rosenthal at The Ring, Thomas Hauser at secondsout.com, Graham Houston at fightwriter.com and Tim Starks at queensberry-rules.com before I listen to or read those general-interest assclowns at ESPN.

[marq]

Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Shane Mosley - 05-01-2010

I hear you on that pk. The names you mentioned are the ones that matter the most. It's just that the casual fan listens to the other clowns and then pollute messageboards with those same "talking head" points. Glad to see knowledgeable fight fans out there !

[MizzouBravesFan]

Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Shane Mosley - 05-01-2010

I know I'm wayyy late to this party but the fight went exactly how I thought it would...Floyd's defense was just too good and I knew he'd counter and pepper Shane to death.

The most intriguing part of the fight overall though for me was Shane stunning and nearly knocking Floyd down in the 2nd...just adds another layer and talking point to a potential Floyd/Pac fight.

I'm still not optimistic about them getting together and putting a fight on...I think the blood testing thing will be a huge hurdle.

Actually, Saturday's result will have both camps screaming to the high heavens that it proves why they're right and why blood testing should or shouldn't be involved. Floyd's camp will say look at Shane...he took the tests with no problem and fought while you know Arum and co. will say that the testing drained Shane and that's why he gassed so early and was worn out towards the end of the fight. I hate it but you just know that's how its gonna go.

[mattlanta]

Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Shane Mosley - 05-01-2010

floyd's been so good to this point, he could beat manny with or without the testing, in my opinion. should he bend for this one fight? possibly his last anyways? as for manny, shouldn't he just give in already?....i mean, it didn't "weaken" floyd at all in his performance against shane. i know it's tedious, but man up, manny. let's get this fight on. at least do it for your devoted fans from the phillipines....

Funny how you guys actually think Pacquiao needs this fight more than Mayweather. I don't know if you realize this, but Pacquiao's legacy is already sealed. You can say the same about Mayweather, but has Mayweather really sealed his legacy? People will still think he's a ducker, and we all know htat the haters will not be satisfied with this victory over Mosley.

I like Mayweather as much as you guys do, but his legacy is not yet sealed unless he fights Manny Pacquiao or the likes of Paul Williams or Andre Berto. Pacquiao, on the other hand, can go down as one of the greatest featherweight boxers already defeating the Three Amigos unprecedentedly and then topping that off with a victory over the great DLH.

To me it just doesn't seem like Mayweather's career is enough to shut most of the haters up. But again, this is just my opinion.

[pietasterp]

Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Shane Mosley - 05-01-2010

Funny how you guys actually think Pacquiao needs this fight more than Mayweather. I don't know if you realize this, but Pacquiao's legacy is already sealed. You can say the same about Mayweather, but has Mayweather really sealed his legacy? People will still think he's a ducker, and we all know htat the haters will not be satisfied with this victory over Mosley.

I like Mayweather as much as you guys do, but his legacy is not yet sealed unless he fights Manny Pacquiao or the likes of Paul Williams or Andre Berto. Pacquiao, on the other hand, can go down as one of the greatest featherweight boxers already defeating the Three Amigos unprecedentedly and then topping that off with a victory over the great DLH.

To me it just doesn't seem like Mayweather's career is enough to shut most of the haters up. But again, this is just my opinion.

I agree he needs to fight Pac (as does most everyone)...I don't think he has anything to prove to the likes of Paul Williams or Andre Berto, though...I think either of those fights is a waste of Floyd's time.

I would say Mayweather's legacy, whatever that's worth, is intact if he never steps in the ring again. Ditto for Pac-Man. But both of them will have asterisks by their names if they can't get this fight on-track. I think it's 100% on, there will just be some posturing beforehand. There's no one else left for these 2 guys to fight at this point.

[simgamer0005]

Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Shane Mosley - 05-01-2010

There's no one else left for these 2 guys to fight at this point.

Pac should say "I'll take the drug tests up to 14 days before the fight, but only if we make this a old school 15 round mega-fight"!!!

[utexas]

Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Shane Mosley - 05-01-2010

Funny how you guys actually think Pacquiao needs this fight more than Mayweather. I don't know if you realize this, but Pacquiao's legacy is already sealed. You can say the same about Mayweather, but has Mayweather really sealed his legacy? People will still think he's a ducker, and we all know htat the haters will not be satisfied with this victory over Mosley.

I like Mayweather as much as you guys do, but his legacy is not yet sealed unless he fights Manny Pacquiao or the likes of Paul Williams or Andre Berto. Pacquiao, on the other hand, can go down as one of the greatest featherweight boxers already defeating the Three Amigos unprecedentedly and then topping that off with a victory over the great DLH.

To me it just doesn't seem like Mayweather's career is enough to shut most of the haters up. But again, this is just my opinion.

Mayweather's legacy is sealed period. 41-0 speaks for itself. His ppv numbers speak for themselves.

[mattlanta]

Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Shane Mosley - 05-01-2010

Mayweather's legacy is sealed period. 41-0 speaks for itself. His ppv numbers speak for themselves.

You're right. Mayweather's legacy is sealed. But Pacquiao's legacy is still more sealed than in my opinion. He will still be remember hundreds of years from now, if you ask someone who the best Asian fighter is of all time, what do you think they'll say?

And I wouldn't lean too much on that "41-0" argument because Julio Cesar Chavez Jr is also 41-0.

[King_B_Mack]

Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Shane Mosley - 05-01-2010

You're right. Mayweather's legacy is sealed. But Pacquiao's legacy is still more sealed than in my opinion. He will still be remember hundreds of years from now, if you ask someone who the best Asian fighter is of all time, what do you think they'll say?

And I wouldn't lean too much on that "41-0" argument because Julio Cesar Chavez Jr is also 41-0.

And when you ask who the best defensive fighter of all time is, it'll probably be Floyd, sure covers a lot more ground than best asian fighter. If you don't think Floyd Mayweather will be remembered hundreds of years from now but Pacquiao will, then please, share some of whatever it is you've found to smoke. I can't believe you're sitting here actually arguing who's legacy will be the most sealed without this fight, this is a joke.

[mattlanta]

Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Shane Mosley - 05-01-2010

And when you ask who the best defensive fighter of all time is, it'll probably be Floyd, sure covers a lot more ground than best asian fighter. If you don't think Floyd Mayweather will be remembered hundreds of years from now but Pacquiao will, then please, share some of whatever it is you've found to smoke. I can't believe you're sitting here actually arguing who's legacy will be the most sealed without this fight, this is a joke.

I actually think there is one maybe two better defensive fighters than Mayweather, and I never said that years from now people will forget about Floyd. I'm saying Pacquiao will be more remembered than him, and he will be. And yes, it is a joke. If you think it's a joke then you don't have to reply to my posts lol

[utexas]

Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Shane Mosley - 05-01-2010

I actually think there is one maybe two better defensive fighters than Mayweather, and I never said that years from now people will forget about Floyd. I'm saying Pacquiao will be more remembered than him, and he will be. And yes, it is a joke. If you think it's a joke then you don't have to reply to my posts lol

And they are?

[King_B_Mack]

Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Shane Mosley - 05-01-2010

I actually think there is one maybe two better defensive fighters than Mayweather, and I never said that years from now people will forget about Floyd. I'm saying Pacquiao will be more remembered than him, and he will be. And yes, it is a joke. If you think it's a joke then you don't have to reply to my posts lol

You're right, he will be more remembered. He'll be the first clean athlete to refuse to take a drug test that proves he's clean and pass up on the biggest payout in the history of his sport because he couldn't cherry pick his testing dates. Yep, he'll be remembered alright. Doesn't mean it'll be in a good way though.

[Jesus]

Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Shane Mosley - 05-01-2010

And they are?

I am wondering the very same thing. You can argue Sweet Pea, but he got hit more. . . then theres..... ummmm...uhhhh. . .