Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Shane Mosley - 05-01-2010

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Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Shane Mosley - 05-01-2010

IDK man comparing it to JAZZ IDK. I really appreciate great music. Jazz is one of my favorite genres and I'm not talking about smooth jazz. I'm talking about Chick Correa, Michael Camilo, Michael Brecker, Anthony jackson, Arturo Sandoval etc, which has great substance. This fight on the other hand was not that great, not even good. Mosley seemed like he didn't want to fight. Not throwing any punches at all after the second round. How is that a great fight? Only landing 92 punches in 12 rounds from Mosley? IDK I guess that's what many consider great fights, but I don't. IMO this fight seemed rigged. Lets not destroy mayweathers perfect record so the paquiao fight can have more value.

Floyd and Mosely threw around the same number of punches, Mosely's just weren't landing. And the 92 punches in 12 rounds is nothing new, Floyd does that to all of his opponents. He's the compubox king.

For anyone who actually loves and appreciates boxing, last night was a great fight, a masterful performance by an all time great. I don't want to here any more conspiracy theories or excuses, it's getting tired. Some ole song and dance every time Mayweather dominates an opponent.

[grunt]

Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Shane Mosley - 05-01-2010

As a lover of classic jazz from the 1950s and 60s and boxing, I DIG that line, man. I might use it as a new signature, if you don't mind!

Sure no problem the quote is attributed to George Foreman. I read the quote when I was a paperboy in 1982 and that quote always stuck in my mind.

[pk500]

Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Shane Mosley - 05-01-2010

Floyd and Mosely threw around the same number of punches, Mosely's just weren't landing. And the 92 punches in 12 rounds is nothing new, Floyd does that to all of his opponents. He's the compubox king.

Another reason why a Mayweather fight against either Pacquiao or Williams would be very interesting. Pac-Man and The Punisher are the workrate kings at 147, both throwing 100 punches per round. It's one of the keys to their respective success -- relentless pressure, from angles.

Would that work and could they press on with that approach against Floyd's defense and surgically precise counterpunching?

Let's hope we find out.

[JerseySuave4]

Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Shane Mosley - 05-01-2010

Another reason why a Mayweather fight against either Pacquiao or Williams would be very interesting. Pac-Man and The Punisher are the workrate kings at 147, both throwing 100 punches per round. It's one of the keys to their respective success -- relentless pressure, from angles.

Would that work and could they press on with that approach against Floyd's defense and surgically precise counterpunching?

Let's hope we find out.

agreed, guys dont need to throw 100 punches a round for it to be a good fight. I appreciate the fact that he throws less but lands at 40-60% consistantly throughout the fight while taking his opponent out of his gameplan because he is getting tagged so their work rate slows and they aren't very accurate.

Floyd and Mosely threw around the same number of punches, Mosely's just weren't landing. And the 92 punches in 12 rounds is nothing new, Floyd does that to all of his opponents. He's the compubox king.

For anyone who actually loves and appreciates boxing, last night was a great fight, a masterful performance by an all time great. I don't want to here any more conspiracy theories or excuses, it's getting tired. Some ole song and dance every time Mayweather dominates an opponent.

Williams throws a lot but a lot of those are touch punches that dont do much. I think Williams would get picked apart by Floyd. Manny throws a lot and puts power behind his punches and will land some shots but the thing about him is that when he throws punches he leaves himself WIDE open to get hit which Floyd will do. Manny is the tougher fight but Floyd will pick either one of them apart.

[KG]

Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Shane Mosley - 05-01-2010

well i guess Floyd answered that person's question about whether he can handle being rocked. Great fight. That truely was the biggest boxing match in a long long time. Just the electricity and excitement for that fight, all of those stars there to watch, my heart was racing as they were entering and i wasnt even fighting.

Great fight as well. First 2 rounds Shane fought well, almost dropped Floyd in round 2 when his leg buckled a little. But after that it was all Floyd. I could see early that Floyd knew he was quicker and that as the fight went on he was going to pick him apart. But round 8 got good again when Shane was complaining about something and Floyd popped him in the face. The ref was not near them, you're supposed to protect yourself at all times so Shane was stupid for giving Floyd the chance to do that, then they started jawing at one another and it got good.

Mayweather will destroy Pacquiao. Even though Manny is fast, Floyd is bigger and Floyd is so fast and counters so well. Manny throws a lot of punches and will leave himself open way too much and he will get hit and we've seen his last 2 fights that his face got touched up.

Mayweather proved why he is the #1 pound for pound king.

It's the countering that I think will get Pacman beat. I don't question his endurance as no one moves forward at the pace he does it's just a combination of him leaving openings and Floyd being the master counter-puncher.

Someone once said "Boxing is like jazz. The better it is, the less people appreciate it."

The fight to me was worth the $65. I love defensive fighters and Mayweather is up there with some of the greatest defensive fighters of all time.

Good boxing like what you get with Floyd is grunt. I will never once question any casual fan who says Floyd's fights are boring. Like someone said, how fun is it to go to a 1-0 pitchers duel unless you're a true fan of the sport.

[Money99]

Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Shane Mosley - 05-01-2010

It's the countering that I think will get Pacman beat. I don't question his endurance as no one moves forward at the pace he does it's just a combination of him leaving openings and Floyd being the master counter-puncher.

That's why this fight HAS to be made.
Some feel that Pac's speed and power will be too much for even Floyd to counter, while others think Mayweather will pick apart Pacquio's wide-open style.

I'm sure Mosley's ability to stun Floyd in the 2nd will be brought up and some will suggest that Pac would have finished the job. Who knows?

But this fight needs to be made now. There is no other.

[JerseySuave4]

Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Shane Mosley - 05-01-2010

It's the countering that I think will get Pacman beat. I don't question his endurance as no one moves forward at the pace he does it's just a combination of him leaving openings and Floyd being the master counter-puncher.



Good boxing like what you get with Floyd is grunt. I will never once question any casual fan who says Floyd's fights are boring. Like someone said, how fun is it to go to a 1-0 pitchers duel unless you're a true fan of the sport.

i think of Floyd's fights the same way i think of Lebron James playing against the Knicks at MSG. You know he's going to win, but how many will he go for tonight? Will he get a triple double? How much will he dominate? With Floyd it's like how is he going to shut this guy out? How low will the opponent's connect rate be, what will Floyd's be?

Its like Merchant said, Floyd is at a point if he beats Pacquiao where you're no longer paying to watch him fight someone great and wondering if he can win, you're paying to watch his greatness.

[nickelplaydit]

Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Shane Mosley - 05-01-2010

i think of Floyd's fights the same way i think of Lebron James playing against the Knicks at MSG. You know he's going to win, but how many will he go for tonight? Will he get a triple double? How much will he dominate? With Floyd it's like how is he going to shut this guy out? How low will the opponent's connect rate be, what will Floyd's be?

Its like Merchant said, Floyd is at a point if he beats Pacquiao where you're no longer paying to watch him fight someone great and wondering if he can win, you're paying to watch his greatness.

All i can say is...ditto! i think Floyd has won the people over now...he got socked in the face twice, regained himself, then took over the fight....period!

[King_B_Mack]

Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Shane Mosley - 05-01-2010

So, I was just watching Around the Horn and heard JA Adande say that he believed Floyd is scared of losing his unblemished record as a reason for "adding all these stipulations" as the reason for the fight not happening with Pacquiao. Pretty much everyone I've seen on ESPN is speaking of Mayweather being afraid of Pacquiao and pumping up this guy, which I find hilarious considering how much they pound baseball players and Bud Selig for the cheating in their sport. Like Barry Bonds being crucified by them all this time.

Anyway, hearing Adande say this made me stop and think about a point I've never actually even thought of. We have all these people that are usually Pacquiao fans talking about Floyd demanding testing as a early excuse strategy for if he loses. But what about Pacquiao? Shane Mosley wanted Mayweather OR Pacquiao and Pacquiao's people wouldn't even talk to Mosley. Pacquiao has walked away from fighting the #2 and #3 p4p fighters. Is it at all possible (since throwing out conspiracies and whatnot is okay when it's against Mayweather) that Manny wouldn't agree with the testing for the Mayweather fight because he does have something to hide or he A) Didn't want the possiblity of losing to Mayweather on his record right before his big election in the Philippines, B) Knows how hated Mayweather is and that he could avoid the testing and have Floyd take the blame for the fight not happening or C) Knows that the fight will still be available later in the year and could use the fact that he could be in office at the time of a potential future fight as an excuse for a loss should he suffer one at the hands of Mayweather? I mean it's not like he's above making excuses for a loss. Case in point? Erik Morales. Any thoughts?

[ksolo12]

Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Shane Mosley - 05-01-2010

So, I was just watching Around the Horn and heard JA Adande say that he believed Floyd is scared of losing his unblemished record as a reason for "adding all these stipulations" as the reason for the fight not happening with Pacquiao. Pretty much everyone I've seen on ESPN is speaking of Mayweather being afraid of Pacquiao and pumping up this guy, which I find hilarious considering how much they pound baseball players and Bud Selig for the cheating in their sport. Like Barry Bonds being crucified by them all this time.

Anyway, hearing Adande say this made me stop and think about a point I've never actually even thought of. We have all these people that are usually Pacquiao fans talking about Floyd demanding testing as a early excuse strategy for if he loses. But what about Pacquiao? Shane Mosley wanted Mayweather OR Pacquiao and Pacquiao's people wouldn't even talk to Mosley. Pacquiao has walked away from fighting the #2 and #3 p4p fighters. Is it at all possible (since throwing out conspiracies and whatnot is okay when it's against Mayweather) that Manny wouldn't agree with the testing for the Mayweather fight because he does have something to hide or he A) Didn't want the possiblity of losing to Mayweather on his record right before his big election in the Philippines, B) Knows how hated Mayweather is and that he could avoid the testing and have Floyd take the blame for the fight not happening or C) Knows that the fight will still be available later in the year and could use the fact that he could be in office at the time of a potential future fight as an excuse for a loss should he suffer one at the hands of Mayweather? I mean it's not like he's above making excuses for a loss. Case in point? Erik Morales. Any thoughts?

WOW!!!!! Very interesting post. I even read it twice to make sure you were not talking non-sense but you made some interesting points. I agree with you and also find it hilarious that all of these sports media members jump all over baseball players about testing and how sports needs to be cleaned up. Yet we have someone (Mayweather) saying he wants equal testing done for both fighters to make sure things are clean and the same media is saying that he is scared and using that as an excuse.

Just my opinion but I see Mayweather beating Pac Man rather easily. If Pac Man gets tagged and bruised up by Clottey, Marquez, Morales etc.....then Floyd will just pick him apart.

But interesting post to say the least.

[sheredia]

Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Shane Mosley - 05-01-2010

WOW!!!!! Very interesting post. I even read it twice to make sure you were not talking non-sense but you made some interesting points. I agree with you and also find it hilarious that all of these sports media members jump all over baseball players about testing and how sports needs to be cleaned up. Yet we have someone (Mayweather) saying he wants equal testing done for both fighters to make sure things are clean and the same media is saying that he is scared and using that as an excuse.

Just my opinion but I see Mayweather beating Pac Man rather easily. If Pac Man gets tagged and bruised up by Clottey, Marquez, Morales etc.....then Floyd will just pick him apart.

But interesting post to say the least.

floyd's been so good to this point, he could beat manny with or without the testing, in my opinion. should he bend for this one fight? possibly his last anyways? as for manny, shouldn't he just give in already?....i mean, it didn't "weaken" floyd at all in his performance against shane. i know it's tedious, but man up, manny. let's get this fight on. at least do it for your devoted fans from the phillipines....

[pk500]

Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Shane Mosley - 05-01-2010

WOW!!!!! Very interesting post. I even read it twice to make sure you were not talking non-sense but you made some interesting points. I agree with you and also find it hilarious that all of these sports media members jump all over baseball players about testing and how sports needs to be cleaned up. Yet we have someone (Mayweather) saying he wants equal testing done for both fighters to make sure things are clean and the same media is saying that he is scared and using that as an excuse.

Just my opinion but I see Mayweather beating Pac Man rather easily. If Pac Man gets tagged and bruised up by Clottey, Marquez, Morales etc.....then Floyd will just pick him apart.

But interesting post to say the least.

Agree on all counts with both King_B and ksolo.

Floyd holds the moral high ground in the blood testing debate. Sure, the state boxing commissions don't require blood testing, but everyone knows how lax and crooked most of them are.

Mayweather and Mosley both did the testing. Neither died. Neither contracted hepatitis five days before the fight. Shane didn't use weakening from a blood draw as an excuse, because when you're taking a half-vial of blood for a sample, that doesn't weaken you for more than a day, tops.

The imperative to make this fight happen under WADA regulations is strictly up to Manny. If he doesn't do it, then it sure as hell appears that either he doesn't want to fight Mayweather or that he has something to hide.

Eventually, WADA blood testing is going to be the standard for all big fights in boxing. The fighters deserve a clean sport. The fans deserve a clean sport. Nothing less is sufficient.

It's funny: In the long term, Mayweather's biggest contribution to boxing may not be an unblemished record. His plaque in Canastota also could include this phrase: "Introduced stringent anti-doping blood testing to boxing, which became the standard for all major fights."

I would respect Floyd even more for that legacy than the incredible one he has created in the ring.

[Relentless]

Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Shane Mosley - 05-01-2010

I kicked around this idea to a few people..


Wouldn't it be great if Mayweather/Goldenboy and lets say. Gary Shaw Promotions or some other company with a wide roster.. Demanded this USADA style testing for all of their fighters and opponents.. that could shake up the industry and perhaps drum up public support.. and put pressure on the governing bodies..

[Complex]

Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Shane Mosley - 05-01-2010

I kicked around this idea to a few people..


Wouldn't it be great if Mayweather/Goldenboy and lets say. Gary Shaw Promotions or some other company with a wide roster.. Demanded this USADA style testing for all of their fighters and opponents.. that could shake up the industry and perhaps drum up public support.. and put pressure on the governing bodies..

Thats all I have been saying. What a huge step in the right direction.

[JerseySuave4]

Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Shane Mosley - 05-01-2010

if any sport should have the testing its boxing. People make such a fuss over harder testing in baseball but thats a guy hitting a ball with a bat, this is a guy hitting someone's face with a fist. Which is more dangerous? Whether he intended to or not, Floyd took a huge step for demanding harder testing because he knew he was clean and he proved to everyone he's that good AND is clean. But Pac supporters flip it to him asking for it because he's afraid (when if Pac just agreed the fight would happen so calling him scared is the dumbest arguement ever).

I think Floyd proved a lot to himself as well in this last fight. Yes he stepped up and fought De La Hoya and beat him, Ricky was a fight he knew he had, same with Marquez, and even though Mosely was as well, he was still the toughest of his recent opponents and Floyd took his best shot, was able to get by and then dominate the fight so now his confidence has to be even higher and he must now truely believe no one can beat him including Pacquiao.

I think Floyd's at the point where now he'll fight Pacquiao and then after that its whoever wants to step forward that is a big enough draw to have a payday thats worth his time. But everyone Floyd fights from now on will have to do this testing.

And really all boxers should have to do it.