Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Shane Mosley - 05-01-2010

[ex carrabba fan]

Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Shane Mosley - 05-01-2010

Only thing I like for Pac in a PB/Pac fight is that Pac won't gas.

Pac has legit speed/quickness unlike JMM and Shane [him saying he was as fast as Floyd, LMAO]

Other than that Floyd has emphatically taken back his P4P crown

And after Floyd beats Pac, there really is nobody else out there.. would cement PB as a top 2 GOAT.

[grunt]

Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Shane Mosley - 05-01-2010

You want simple evidence why Mayweather would beat Pacquiao with relative ease?

Just look at Manny's face after the Cotto and Clottey fights: Bruised, bandaged, bloodied.

Now look at Floyd's face after the Marquez and Mosley fights: Untouched.

You can say all you want about Manny's power, angles and volume. But that's irrelevant if he can't hit Floyd. And he can't.

Hell, Mosley is a more disciplined boxer than Pacquiao even though Shane didn't show it past the second round last night. And Floyd picked him apart. What makes anyone think Floyd will have more trouble countering and sticking and moving against a less disciplined boxer in Pacquiao, who leaves himself more open than Mosley?

A Pacquiao-Mayweather fight would unfold just like last night's fight, with Manny maybe winning four rounds instead of one. The final scores would favor Mayweather around 116-112.

People sometimes point to Freddie Roach as a big advantage in Pacquiao's corner. Again, irrelevant. Naazim Richardson ranks right with Roach as the best trainer in boxing, and how did that help Mosley last night?

Roger Mayweather is a great trainer in the gym. He keeps Floyd focused and disciplined leading up to a fight, knowing exactly how to prepare his nephew. But once Floyd enters the ring, Roger doesn't need to do much. Floyd executes strategy and adapts on the fly, without instruction from a trainer, better than any fighter in the world.

Roger is a lot like John Wooden with the great UCLA hoops teams of the 60s and 70s. He makes sure everything is done properly in practice, and then just sits back and watches his finely-tuned athlete execute to perfection in the big game.

There it is...where are the Manny supporters now. PBF should spot Pac the ped and still beat him down. Good post.

[cjallure24]

Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Shane Mosley - 05-01-2010

You want simple evidence why Mayweather would beat Pacquiao with relative ease?

Just look at Manny's face after the Cotto and Clottey fights: Bruised, bandaged, bloodied.

Now look at Floyd's face after the Marquez and Mosley fights: Untouched.

You can say all you want about Manny's power, angles and volume. But that's irrelevant if he can't hit Floyd. And he can't.

Hell, Mosley is a more disciplined boxer than Pacquiao even though Shane didn't show it past the second round last night. And Floyd picked him apart. What makes anyone think Floyd will have more trouble countering and sticking and moving against a less disciplined boxer in Pacquiao, who leaves himself more open than Mosley?

A Pacquiao-Mayweather fight would unfold just like last night's fight, with Manny maybe winning four rounds instead of one. The final scores would favor Mayweather around 116-112.

People sometimes point to Freddie Roach as a big advantage in Pacquiao's corner. Again, irrelevant. Naazim Richardson ranks right with Roach as the best trainer in boxing, and how did that help Mosley last night?

Roger Mayweather is a great trainer in the gym. He keeps Floyd focused and disciplined leading up to a fight, knowing exactly how to prepare his nephew. But once Floyd enters the ring, Roger doesn't need to do much. Floyd executes strategy and adapts on the fly, without instruction from a trainer, better than any fighter in the world.

Roger is a lot like John Wooden with the great UCLA hoops teams of the 60s and 70s. He makes sure everything is done properly in practice, and then just sits back and watches his finely-tuned athlete execute to perfection in the big game.

Couldn't agree more. Nazim Richardson had a very good game plan against Floyd and Shane couldn't execute. I feel bad for him more then I do for Shane Mosley. Listening to everything Richardson was telling Mosley was dead on, and Mosley did not follow the gameplan. Richardson threaten to stop the fight because Shane wasn't letting his hands go.

I like Pacman just as much as the next guy, but what Floyd did last night showed me a lot. And as of right now, with Pacman being the smaller fighter, I don't see him beating Floyd. Nazim said it on 24/7 exactly what Floyd was going to do, "We [Shane] are going to punch Floyd in the mouth, and Floyd is going to turn into a Dragon, and come out spitting fire balls"....He knew it was going to happen and Mosley still couldn't execute, that's a testament to Floyd's ring generalship, and boxing ability. If you are a boxing fan, you have to appreciate what took place last night.....IMO

[JerseySuave4]

Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Shane Mosley - 05-01-2010

Williams not on the radar. Not a big name

Floyd would destroy Williams. I mean seriously all these people talking about Paul Williams honestly think he'd beat Floyd? Williams throws those pitty pat punches and just outworks fighters. Margarito should have beat Williams but he just got started too late. But Margarito is a guy that gets hit a lot. Floyd doesnt get hit a lot and it's not like Williams has a ton of power. Floyd would pick apart Paul Williams and make it look easy.

There is only 1 guy on Floyd's radar and that's Pacquiao. Other than that no one is near his level.

[JerseySuave4]

Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Shane Mosley - 05-01-2010

Couldn't agree more. Nazim Richardson had a very good game plan against Floyd and Shane couldn't execute. I feel bad for him more then I do for Shane Mosley. Listening to everything Richardson was telling Mosley was dead on, and Mosley did not follow the gameplan. Richardson threaten to stop the fight because Shane wasn't letting his hands go.

I like Pacman just as much as the next guy, but what Floyd did last night showed me a lot. And as of right now, with Pacman being the smaller fighter, I don't see him beating Floyd. Nazim said it on 24/7 exactly what Floyd was going to do, "We [Shane] are going to punch Floyd in the mouth, and Floyd is going to turn into a Dragon, and come out spitting fire balls"....He knew it was going to happen and Mosley still couldn't execute, that's a testament to Floyd's ring generalship, and boxing ability. If you are a boxing fan, you have to appreciate what took place last night.....IMO

i agree 100%

Some jackass on yahoo wrote an article that the fight was boring, people are upset that they spent money to go and to watch on ppv, etc. but the guy is a complete moron who must not know anything about boxing because last night was what people wanted to see and it was just that Floyd was too good.

Last night was Floyd most impressive fight ever IMO. Even though Mosley is not the Mosely from 5 years ago, Floyd showed heart and toughness getting through Round 2 without being dropped, and then he knew to look out for that punch and he went on the offensive and just picked apart Mosely. He even said he was trying to go for the KO.

And people give Roach all this credit but dont forget Floyd beat Oscar with Roach in his corner. And people don't give Roger Mayweather enough credit. Floyd said he doesnt watch film on his opponents, Roger and his father do and they develop a gameplan for Floyd to follow. I hope Roger doesnt go to jail because i want him in Floyd's corner for the fight vs Pacquiao when it happens but people just dont give Roger Mayweather enough credit for what he does with fighters.

That 1st fight of the night Roger's figher was knocked down in the 1st 20 seconds, came back and knocked his opponent down twice in the 1st round and won the fight.

[JerseySuave4]

Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Shane Mosley - 05-01-2010

You want simple evidence why Mayweather would beat Pacquiao with relative ease?

Just look at Manny's face after the Cotto and Clottey fights: Bruised, bandaged, bloodied.

Now look at Floyd's face after the Marquez and Mosley fights: Untouched.

You can say all you want about Manny's power, angles and volume. But that's irrelevant if he can't hit Floyd. And he can't.

Hell, Mosley is a more disciplined boxer than Pacquiao even though Shane didn't show it past the second round last night. And Floyd picked him apart. What makes anyone think Floyd will have more trouble countering and sticking and moving against a less disciplined boxer in Pacquiao, who leaves himself more open than Mosley?

A Pacquiao-Mayweather fight would unfold just like last night's fight, with Manny maybe winning four rounds instead of one. The final scores would favor Mayweather around 116-112.

People sometimes point to Freddie Roach as a big advantage in Pacquiao's corner. Again, irrelevant. Naazim Richardson ranks right with Roach as the best trainer in boxing, and how did that help Mosley last night?

Roger Mayweather is a great trainer in the gym. He keeps Floyd focused and disciplined leading up to a fight, knowing exactly how to prepare his nephew. But once Floyd enters the ring, Roger doesn't need to do much. Floyd executes strategy and adapts on the fly, without instruction from a trainer, better than any fighter in the world.

Roger is a lot like John Wooden with the great UCLA hoops teams of the 60s and 70s. He makes sure everything is done properly in practice, and then just sits back and watches his finely-tuned athlete execute to perfection in the big game.

perfectly said

And look at what Marquez did against Pacquiao and Marquez doesnt have close to the speed or defense of Floyd (as we saw when Floyd embarassed Marquez).

Manny will be fast, he'll throw a lot of flurries, but Floyd will pick him apart, smile when he throws those flurries, and i think he'll actually KO Pacquiao because Manny will get hit too much. Manny has great conditioning but he's going to get tagged with clean shots from a bigger guy.

[Complex]

Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Shane Mosley - 05-01-2010

Finally saw the fight this morning. Great win for Mayweather. But I am not surprised, Shane has not beaten a pure boxer yet, and this fight was no different. The only thing that did surprise me, was that Shane did not push the action more early on. Shane has the tendency to fade in fights, especially ones that he is not winning.

What I believe is that early in the fight, Floyd hit Shane with something that he did not like. Folks, Floyd is depicted as the fighter with no power but I beg to differ. If he was not landing with authority, fighters would be running up on him more. His technique is generating good power for him and his punches usually are going through their target and simply not landing.

[JerseySuave4]

Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Shane Mosley - 05-01-2010

Finally saw the fight this morning. Great win for Mayweather. But I am not surprised, Shane has not beaten a pure boxer yet, and this fight was no different. The only thing that did surprise me, was that Shane did not push the action more early on. Shane has the tendency to fade in fights, especially ones that he is not winning.

What I believe is that early in the fight, Floyd hit Shane with something that he did not like. Folks, Floyd is depicted as the fighter with no power but I beg to differ. If he was not landing with authority, fighters would be running up on him more. His technique is generating good power for him and his punches usually are going through their target and simply not landing.

yea those that think Floyd has no power aren't too smart. Notice how ALL of his power punches that land do so with authority and force behind them because he is always balanced and puts hits momentum and body into his punches and they land flush. Shane's punches (other than round 2) didnt have authority because he was off balance and didnt have everything behind his punch. Thats why i think if Floyd lands clean punches on Pacquiao like he did against Mosely and Marquez, that Pacquiao will fade and get KOd even with his amazing heart and endurance.

[Complex]

Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Shane Mosley - 05-01-2010

I'm sick of the Williams talk as well.

There are limitations to the human body. I don't care to see Williams go anorexic just to fight Pretty Boy.

And its a fight he would lose, Paul gets touched by slower lesser guys too much for my liking and I am a Paul fan.

[tyreeii]

Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Shane Mosley - 05-01-2010

What I think everyone fails to realize is that Floyd has faced a fighter who is just as fast if not faster than Pac Man. The fighter I am talking about is Zab Judah, when they fought, Zab was prob at his best and Floyd had A LOT of trouble with him early in the fight.

The problem arises for fast fighters when they face someone faster than them. That is why Mosley, Pac Man and De La Hoya did/will have trouble with Mayweather. Mayweather knows houw to fight someone as fast if not faster than him but that is not the case for the other fighters I mentioned.

As far as Floyd's power, I have been saying for years that every fighter who trades with Floyd gets KTFO'd.

for those that point to Floyd being hurt by Shane, Shane it FLoyd will 2 of the cleanest punches he has EVER landed (he did not land anything that clean against Cotto or Oscar) and Pac Man does not thrown his right in the same manner that Shane throws his.

[pk500]

Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Shane Mosley - 05-01-2010

What I believe is that early in the fight, Floyd hit Shane with something that he did not like. Folks, Floyd is depicted as the fighter with no power but I beg to differ. If he was not landing with authority, fighters would be running up on him more. His technique is generating good power for him and his punches usually are going through their target and simply not landing.

It's the accuracy that scares Floyd's opponents, not the power. Floyd is surgically accurate with both his lead and counter punches. Freakishly accurate.

None of those accurate punches are going to singularly drop men of equal physical stature, like a Mosley. But they are going to accumulate over time and either result in a TKO or a wide decision, mainly due to destroying the willpower or the game plan -- or both -- of Floyd's opponents.

Floyd destroyed Shane's plan and his will last night with his accurate, crisp punching.

[Complex]

Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Shane Mosley - 05-01-2010

It's the accuracy that scares Floyd's opponents, not the power. Floyd is surgically accurate with both his lead and counter punches. Freakishly accurate.

None of those accurate punches are going to singularly drop men of equal physical stature, like a Mosley. But they are going to accumulate over time and either result in a TKO or a wide decision, mainly due to destroying the willpower or the game plan -- or both -- of Floyd's opponents.

Floyd destroyed Shane's plan and his will last night with his accurate, crisp punching.

I'm going to disagree a little. Watch how his punches land, there are solid and for the most part almost go through the target. In boxing, its taught to punch through your target and not just connect. When Floyd lands, the punches hit Shane and keep going. Its his positioning and the velocity on those type of punches that is generating power and keeping his opponents at bay.

[Gibbz]

Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Shane Mosley - 05-01-2010

Quote from a Yahoo! writer:

"...And it was boring as hell.

The result, a near shutout of Mosley, Yahoo! Sports’ No. 3 pound-for-pound fighter coming into the bout, was indeed laced with greatness. The “entertainment,” though, was pretty non-existent."

[pk500]

Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Shane Mosley - 05-01-2010

I'm going to disagree a little. Watch how his punches land, there are solid and for the most part almost go through the target. In boxing, its taught to punch through your target and not just connect. When Floyd lands, the punches hit Shane and keep going. Its his positioning and the velocity on those type of punches that is generating power and keeping his opponents at bay.

Exactly. They're very crisp punches, as I said. Technically perfect. They're not one-punch KO blows, though.

[Artman22]

Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Shane Mosley - 05-01-2010

Maybe because floyd IS dat good. Give em credit

Did you only read the first sentence of my post? I clearly said on my second sentence that I give FLOYD props