Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Shane Mosley - 05-01-2010

[JerseySuave4]

Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Shane Mosley - 05-01-2010

But I thought Mayweather is on such high morale ground?

Am I the only one here who thinks it's extremely suspicious that Mayweather only cared about PED's once he knew he couldn't avoid Pacquio?
Did he suddenly have a revelation 1 day after fighting Marquez? Why no testing for him?

Pac's probably hiding something but at the same time I think it's fairly obvious (to those not drinking the koolaid) that Floyd was looking for any excuse he could find so he wouldn't have to step into the ring with Pacman.
Just like, prior to his first retirement, he wouldn't have stepped in the ring against Margarito even if he was allowed to bring a shotgun into the ring.
Pacquio's just one of many opponents Floyd has ducked over his career. An undefeated record means nothing if you pick and choose your opponent.
But hey, you're allowed to do that when you hide behind a manufactured escape-clause by nicknaming yourself 'money'. "I only fight for money. If there's no money it, I don't fight!".
It's a beautiful strategy for anyone that doesn't want to have to own up to being downright scared and cowardly when facing a real challenge.

come on man really? You're still on the whole ducking Pacquiao conspiracy? Had Pac agreed to testing the fight would have happened so how would Floyd have ducked him then?

Floyd has never had the leverage to ask for something like this and has never really needed to until now. Even Berto's people said that they would have loved to have asked for the testing Floyd is requesting when Berto was scheduled to fight Shane but they said that Berto doesnt have the leverage to ask that kind of thing.

Hate him or love him what Floyd and Shane are doing is exactly what boxing needs to do. Urine testing is not 100% accurate and in a sport where guys go out and punch each other repeatedly, the testing needs to be tougher.

Pacquiao's people didnt want the testing to be so close for a reason. And they were more than happy to let the Floyd fight slide (remember they were talking and looking for new opponents before the fight was even dead). They got to schedule a sparring partner which made them a lot of money and kept Manny safe.

I just hope by the end of this year we get Floyd vs Manny so Manny can get picked apart. He's gotten tagged quite a bit in his last few fights and his face has been evidence of that.

[backbreaker]

Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Shane Mosley - 05-01-2010

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[JerseySuave4]

Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Shane Mosley - 05-01-2010

Great article on how smart Floyd is and how he knows how to sell a fight with this persona...

http://sports.yahoo.com/box/news?slug=ki-mayweather042810

It was a travesty, nearly anyone of substance in boxing agrees, that Floyd Mayweather Jr. failed to win a gold medal in the 1996 Olympics in Atlanta. He was so much more gifted than the rest of the field that it was almost insulting to pull a bronze medal over his head and place it around his neck.

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Mayweather’s loss to Bulgarian Serafim Todorov conjured up uneasy memories for U.S. boxing fans of the 1988 Olympics in Seoul, Korea, when Roy Jones Jr. was robbed of a one-sided win. Despite his loss, Jones was still voted the most outstanding boxer of those Games.

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And it was obvious, despite his loss to Todorov, that Mayweather was the elite talent coming out of the Atlanta Games.
The 1996 Olympics produced a number of quality fighters, including David Reid, Fernando Vargas, Wladimir Klitschko, Vassiliy Jirov, Antonio Tarver, Thomas Ulrich, Oktay Urkal and Daniel Santos.
None of them, though, were nearly as gifted as Mayweather.
He quickly proved that in the professional rankings, ripping through his opposition and winning a world championship in his 18th professional bout, less than two years after turning pro.
Yet, as magnificent as he was in the ring, he was hardly embraced by the boxing community. He struggled to sell tickets to his fights. He battled with reporters. He feuded with his promoter, Bob Arum of Top Rank. He split with his father. He deemed a lucrative contract offer from HBO “slave wages.”
It wasn’t until his 34th fight, midway through his ninth year as a professional, when he battered Arturo Gatti in Atlantic City, that he truly became a star. He didn’t become universally loved – as many fans buy his fights hoping to see him knocked out or beaten up as those who do who are hoping to see him win – but the victory over Gatti served notice that he would become a major financial force in the sport.
“It took until the Gatti fight for everyone else’s opinion of Floyd to catch up to Floyd’s opinion of Floyd,” said John Hornewer, an attorney who represents Mayweather.
In the nearly five years since the Mayweather-Gatti fight sold an unexpectedly high 369,000 pay-per-view units, Mayweather has become unquestionably the top attraction in the sport.
His fight with Shane Mosley on Saturday at the MGM Grand Garden Arena will likely net him a payday of around $40 million, about the same as he would have made had he instead fought Manny Pacquiao, the fight the public had demanded.
It’s almost a cinch that the Mayweather-Mosley fight will sell in excess of 1 million on pay-per-view and it may threaten 2 million. Less than 20 boxing matches ever have sold in excess of 1 million units. Despite being in only six pay-per-view fights to this point, Mayweather has already had two fights top the million mark.
<TABLE class=sportsTable border=0 cellSpacing=2 cellPadding=4 width=300 align=right hspace="2" vspace="2"><TBODY><TR><TD colSpan=5 align=middle>Mayweather draws PPV ‘Money’</TD></TR><TR><TH>Date</TH><TH>Opponent</TH><TH>Location</TH><TH>PPV buys</TH><TH>Revenue</TH></TR><TR class=evenRow><TD>May 5, 2007</TD><TD>De La Hoya</TD><TD>Las Vegas</TD><TD>2.45 million</TD><TD>$136.8 million</TD></TR><TR class=evenRow><TD>Sept. 19, 2009</TD><TD>J.M. Marquez</TD><TD>Las Vegas</TD><TD>1.06M</TD><TD>$54.5M</TD></TR><TR class=evenRow><TD>Dec. 8, 2007</TD><TD>Hatton</TD><TD>Las Vegas</TD><TD>920,000</TD><TD>$52.4M</TD></TR><TR class=evenRow><TD>April 8, 2006</TD><TD>Judah</TD><TD>Las Vegas</TD><TD>378,000</TD><TD>$17M</TD></TR><TR class=evenRow><TD>June 25, 2005</TD><TD>Gatti</TD><TD>Atlantic City</TD><TD>369,000</TD><TD>$16.6M</TD></TR><TR class=evenRow><TD>Nov. 4, 2006</TD><TD>Baldomir</TD><TD>Las Vegas</TD><TD>325,000</TD><TD>$16.2M</TD></TR><TR class=evenRow><TD>Total</TD><TD> </TD><TD> </TD><TD>5.498M</TD><TD>$292.7M</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

Barring some kind of a disaster, Saturday’s card will become the third time in seven pay-per-view outings that a Mayweather bout will top a million.
According to research by Mark Taffet, HBO’s’ senior vice president of sports operations and pay-per-view, Mayweather’s average PPV revenue of $48.8 million is the highest in history.
His average of 916,000 pay-per-view buys is second in history to only Mike Tyson. And in just six pay-per-view events, he ranks fifth in total purchases with 5.5 million and in total revenue with $292.7 million.
Leonard Ellerbe, chief executive officer of Mayweather Promotions, said Mayweather is reaping the rewards of a plan implemented a long time ago.
Ellerbe and Hornewer met with Arum and Todd duBoef of Top Rank more than five years ago where they presented a plan to promote Mayweather more heavily in urban markets.
Mayweather, to that point, had been marketed as the good-looking, clean cut All-American boy with otherworldly skills. Mayweather’s plan was to create a strategy that would make him attractive to the hip-hop crowd.
At that time, it was viewed as a risky strategy. Demographic studies at that time showed the boxing audience skewing heavily Hispanic with the largest fan base in the Southwest.
“We had a meticulous, carefully thought out plan,” Ellerbe said. “The urban market was untapped as a pay-per-view market and Floyd believed that before you can do anything else, you have to captivate your target audience. We look at boxing from a global standpoint, but before we could implement our strategies globally, we had to have the target audience, the young, African-American crowd, on lock.
“Young African-Americans in the inner city want to look to their own people for their stars, their role models, for their heroes. It’s no different than young Mexicans, who for years grew up wanting to be the next Julio Cesar Chavez. Floyd is a genius and doesn’t get the credit he deserves for understanding how to promote and market these fights. He was years ahead of the curve and understood long before anyone else what he had to do to build and solidify his target audience.”
In his first three pay-per-view fights, against Gatti, Zab Judah and Carlos Baldomir, Mayweather sold 369,000, 378,000 and 325,000 units respectively. They were solid figures, but they weren’t anything compared to what was to come.
And the vehicle for the explosion that ensued in 2007 was HBO’s groundbreaking reality series, “24/7.” Oscar De La Hoya was the biggest pay-per-view attraction in boxing when he signed to face Mayweather on May 5, 2007.
It was clear from the start that the bout would be one of the biggest ever – it matched two huge names and Mayweather’s father, Floyd Mayweather Sr., was at the time training De La Hoya – but promoters were looking for a way to push it to new heights.
The concept was developed to use “De La Hoya-Mayweather: 24/7” as a way. HBO deployed cameras to the training camps of each fighter to show them as they prepared for the battle.

Floyd Mayweather Sr. (left) jokes around with his son, Floyd Mayweather Jr.
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It aired on Sundays in a perfect time slot, surrounded by top-rated series such as “The Sopranos” and “Entourage.”
It quickly turned into the Floyd Mayweather Show, however. De La Hoya was as he usually is, humble and agreeable, but rarely providing much more than the cliché moments.
Mayweather, though, was over the top, at times charming and outrageous, captivating and infuriating. He bragged about his wealth and his talent and he never passed an opportunity to mock De La Hoya.
“It was ’24/7’ that gave Floyd the ability to make himself the center of attention and bolster interest in his fights,” said Dr. Todd Boyd, holder of the Katherine and Frank Price Endowed Chair for the Study of Race and Popular Culture at the University of Southern California’s School of Cinematic Arts. “In boxing, Muhammad Ali personified it, but it’s something that goes all the way back to Jack Johnson. He talks trash and he rallies his supporters and galvanizes those who want to see him get beaten.
“Floyd made himself a compelling figure and personality via ’24/7’ and there are few of those in boxing. After you’d watch a few episodes, you’d say to yourself,, ‘I’ve got to see this fight.’ And that’s what he was aiming for all along.”
Mayweather created the persona of “Money Mayweather,” the rich guy who had a lavish home, a fleet of luxury cars and was so well off he could go to night clubs and “make it rain” by throwing handfuls of $100 bills in the air.
He’d boast about his “Big boy mansion,” the $17 million home he purchased in an exclusive enclave in Las Vegas. He drives a Bentley and a Rolls Royce and a Lamborghini and he often wears jewelry that cost more than some people will earn in a decade.
His uncle, Roger, who is his head trainer, was always outrageous and, in a crude sort of way, entertaining. His father, who often butted heads with both Floyd Jr. and Roger, was a compelling figure unto himself.
Few other fighters have benefitted from the “24/7” format the way Mayweather has, but it’s no accident. Mayweather had dreamed up such a concept in the 1990s as a way to market himself differently.
And while “24/7” is supposed to be reality, Mayweather proved he was the master at how to take advantage of the platform.
“I truly believe that we have so many different characters,” Mayweather said when asked why he’s benefitted so greatly from ’24/7’. “My father, when he is in the boxing gym, is ‘Floyd Joy.’ My uncle is ‘The Black Mamba.’ We have children that are characters. And of course, myself, I am leading the pack. So many different personalities and so many people inside the gym and outside the gym. We have fun, but we know when to turn it on and when to turn it off.
“This is something that we talked about for a long time. Going in depth and behind the scenes, and showing things that no one had ever shown about a fighter. We talked about this back in the ’90s.”
The plan began to unfold at the time of the Gatti fight. Mayweather boasted far and wide about how he’d destroy Gatti, who was legendary for his fights that were almost like barroom brawls.
He’d take serious abuse and would seemingly be on the verge of being stopped when he’d come back with a miraculous punch to win.
Mayweather, though, taunted him as little more than a “C-plus” fighter while lauding himself as an “A-plus fighter.” The boxing establishment was horrified, because that had not been the ticket to pay-per-view success.
De La Hoya at the time, epitomized what it took to sell on pay-per-view. Clearly, elite talent was necessary. Beyond that, though, was an ability to appeal to many markets. And so De La Hoya crafted an image as the good-looking soft-spoken boy-next-door who would go out and talk on these dangerous opponents.
Rarely would one demean an opponent or intentionally portray himself in a nasty, in-your-face manner, like Mayweather was doing.
“That bit of a nasty edge, the guy with a chip on his shoulder who had a feeling of not being appreciated, made him difficult for some people to work with,” Hornewer said. “But we thought the Gatti fight would be a springboard to pay-per-view success for him. Arturo Gatti at that time had a reputation as a guy who could take it and take it and take it and somehow overcome the greatest odds.
“Well, Floyd didn’t try to disrespect Gatti, but he was being honest when he called Gatti a C-plus fight and himself and A-plus. A lot of people tuned in that night hoping to see Gatti beat this loudmouth kid.”
It was a one-sided fight, but it was one-sided in Mayweather’s favor. Gatti wasn’t able to come close to hitting him and Mayweather drilled him with punishing shots. Mayweather pummeled Gatti so thoroughly that at the end of the sixth round, Larry Hazzard, then the head of the New Jersey commission, walked to Gatti’s corner and told trainer Buddy McGirt to throw in the towel and end the fight.
The in-ring postfight interview with HBO’s Larry Merchant stunned viewers, however. Instead of continuing his boasts and taunts, Mayweather was soft-spoken and gracious, praising Gatti and predicting he’d again wear a world championship belt.
It was a display of the many facets of Floyd Mayweather.
“He doesn’t give a [expletive] whether people love him or hate him, as long as they know him and are interested,” said promoter Lou DiBella, the former HBO Sports executive who built a relationship with Mayweather while was at HBO. “Outside of heavyweights, he’s the first African-American who is a pay-per-view star. He’s got an incredibly photogenic smile that lights up a room and this phenomenal talent that amazes people.
“He’s worked his [expletive] off to make himself a pop culture star. He went on ‘Dancing With The Stars,’ and he competed in pro wrestling. He has the crossover into the rap and the hip-hop markets. He’s made himself into the transcendent star in boxing.”
Ellerbe insists that Mayweather’s stardom extends well beyond boxing. He said that not long after Mayweather was voted off “Dancing With The Stars,” he was walking through a grocery store with Mayweather in Las Vegas, shopping for food.
Two white women, one that Ellerbe estimated was in her late 50s and the other he guess was in her early 70s, noticed Mayweather.
They had seen him on “Dancing With The Stars” and wanted to chat him up and pose for a photograph.
“They didn’t recognize him as a boxer,” Ellerbe said. “They knew him as their favorite dancer on the show. They were like, ‘Oh, we were so sorry you were voted off. You were our favorite.’ And they just made a big fuss over him.”
Mayweather was charming as he spoke with them and posed for photos. When they left, Mayweather and Ellerbe looked at each other and beamed.
They knew he’d made it at that point.
“Floyd looked at me and said, ‘That’s it, we’ve done crossed over now,’ ” Ellerbe said. “Floyd is not just a boxer; he’s an entertainer and a celebrity who crosses all boundaries. And that let us know that all the work we’d put in to get to this point had paid off.”
Despite his success, Mayweather still has plenty of detractors, who have chided him for failing to fight the top welterweights until now and who have given much of the credit for his pay-per-view success to his opponents.
To his critics, it was largely De La Hoya who drove the record 2.45 million sales in their 2007 fight. It was Ricky Hatton and his loyal legion of fans who pushed the pay-per-view of their fight to 920,000. And, they contend, it was the Mexican diehards tuning in to watch Marquez who were responsible for the 1.06 million sales in the Juan Manuel Marquez fight in September.
Ellerbe laughs off such criticism.
“The pay-per-view industry is an unconventional business and there are only seven or eight people in the business who understand the numbers,” Ellerbe said.
Mayweather instinctively gets it. He knows how to push buttons and he knows how to sell. Combine that with his talent and it’s created a pay-per-view superstar.
Ellerbe said Mayweather is aware of the criticism he’s received and is ready to put on the performance of his career to make a point to the doubters who remain.
“There is no athlete I know of who works as hard as Floyd, but he has worked harder than I have ever seen him work, and that’s saying a tremendous amount,” Ellerbe said. “He works like he’s never accomplished a thing in his life instead of like a guy who is clearly the face of the sport.
“Believe me when I tell you, you will be blown away by his performance. I can’t see Mosley lasting 10 rounds.”
Richard Schaefer, the CEO of Golden Boy Promotions and the bout’s promoter, isn’t sure how the fight will turn out.
The one thing he knows is that the MGM Grand Garden Arena will be electrified when Mayweather walks to the ring on Saturday.
“I guess the one thing you can say about Floyd is that some people love him and some people hate him, but everyone has an opinion,” Schaefer said. “We’re at a stage now that just when Floyd gets into the ring, no matter who is across from him, it’s a mega-event. When you put someone in of the stature of a Shane Mosley, it just goes off the charts.”

[pk500]

Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Shane Mosley - 05-01-2010

It pains me to do this, but I'm picking Money over Sugar Shane.

Floyd is faster and better defensively. And Floyd isn't a plodding, stationary target like Margarito was for Mosley. Floyd will use his array of twists, turns, shoulder feints and counterpunches to win a wide unanimous decision, probably in the 116-112 range. Eight rounds to four.

Bummer, as I really want someone to shut Floyd up NOW. But it won't be Shane.

Mosley's victory over Margarito is being used too much as ammunition by those who think he can win. First, Margar-cheato had to be rattled mentally entering that fight due to being caught with plaster in his wraps before the fight. Two, Mayweather is a MUCH better boxer -- we're talking miles better -- than Margarito, who almost begs to get hit and survives because of his tungsten chin.

Shane has a power advantage, but what good is power when your rival has the superior speed and defense to avoid getting hit? Brother Nazim is a great trainer and a big plus for Shane. But I agree with Bill Detloff from The Ring magazine, who says Floyd is so gifted as a boxer that the guy running his corner doesn't have nearly the same responsibility for tactics as most trainers. Floyd can use his honed and God-given skills to survive nearly any situation, regardless of what his corner asks him to do.

[aholbert32]

Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Shane Mosley - 05-01-2010

But I thought Mayweather is on such high morale ground?

Am I the only one here who thinks it's extremely suspicious that Mayweather only cared about PED's once he knew he couldn't avoid Pacquio?
Did he suddenly have a revelation 1 day after fighting Marquez? Why no testing for him?

Pac's probably hiding something but at the same time I think it's fairly obvious (to those not drinking the koolaid) that Floyd was looking for any excuse he could find so he wouldn't have to step into the ring with Pacman.
Just like, prior to his first retirement, he wouldn't have stepped in the ring against Margarito even if he was allowed to bring a shotgun into the ring.
Pacquio's just one of many opponents Floyd has ducked over his career. An undefeated record means nothing if you pick and choose your opponent.
But hey, you're allowed to do that when you hide behind a manufactured escape-clause by nicknaming yourself 'money'. "I only fight for money. If there's no money it, I don't fight!".
It's a beautiful strategy for anyone that doesn't want to have to own up to being downright scared and cowardly when facing a real challenge.

Here we go again. LOL. Floyd had no idea that Pac would balk at blood testing. Its not like Pac came out before saying he was against blood testing. He wasnt using that as a tactic to duck Pac. If Pac would have agreed to the testing, they would have fought in March.

[utexas]

Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Shane Mosley - 05-01-2010

Jersey, thanks for the article, it backed up what I thought about Mayweather. He understands the business.

[JerseySuave4]

Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Shane Mosley - 05-01-2010

Brother Nazim is a great trainer and a big plus for Shane.

i hate that stupid thing he does with the towel. I understand why he does it but its just dumb. From what we get to see, it seems like Shane's training is no where near the level of Floyd's. I'm not saying Shane doesnt train hard, but Naz seems more of a mental coach than a guy like Roger and Freddie Roach who are in there really working hard with their fighters. Roger says this is the hardest Floyd has ever trained and if thats really true then thats scary.

[pk500]

Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Shane Mosley - 05-01-2010

i hate that stupid thing he does with the towel. I understand why he does it but its just dumb. From what we get to see, it seems like Shane's training is no where near the level of Floyd's. I'm not saying Shane doesnt train hard, but Naz seems more of a mental coach than a guy like Roger and Freddie Roach who are in there really working hard with their fighters. Roger says this is the hardest Floyd has ever trained and if thats really true then thats scary.

Good point, Jersey. Floyd always looks sharper in training than his opponents because of his speed. The mitt work that he and Roger perform is so slick that it's borderline sexy.

But the one thing we don't see from either camp on "24/7" is sparring. Those indicate a fighter's readiness more than anything, especially if his camp is using quality sparring partners.

[DaveDQ]

Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Shane Mosley - 05-01-2010

Has anyone ever gone to their local theater to see a fight? They have it available here in NC for $25. I was just wondering how that experience is. Obviously there will be no food or drinks but I'm not worried about that. I just don't want to have to put the money down for the PPV.

[backbreaker]

Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Shane Mosley - 05-01-2010

Mosley vs. Fighters/brawlers he normally wins these fights.

Mosley vs. Boxers/tacticians he normally lose these fights.

Nazim trying to make him a thinker and be more aware, will be the deciding factor. If he's a good pupil of Nazim teachings he will win, If he applies his fathers teachings he will lose.

[SteelerSpartan]

Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Shane Mosley - 05-01-2010

i hate that stupid thing he does with the towel. I understand why he does it but its just dumb. From what we get to see, it seems like Shane's training is no where near the level of Floyd's. I'm not saying Shane doesnt train hard, but Naz seems more of a mental coach than a guy like Roger and Freddie Roach who are in there really working hard with their fighters. Roger says this is the hardest Floyd has ever trained and if thats really true then thats scary.

Brother Naz is just trying to simulate Floyds power

[Vast]

Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Shane Mosley - 05-01-2010

Good point, Jersey. Floyd always looks sharper in training than his opponents because of his speed. The mitt work that he and Roger perform is so slick that it's borderline sexy.

But the one thing we don't see from either camp on "24/7" is sparring. Those indicate a fighter's readiness more than anything, especially if his camp is using quality sparring partners.

I loved when Naazim said something like "Watching Floyd fight is boring, they need to show him hitting the mitts between rounds or something."

hahahahhahah

Go Shane!

[JerseySuave4]

Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Shane Mosley - 05-01-2010

I loved when Naazim said something like "Watching Floyd fight is boring, they need to show him hitting the mitts between rounds or something."

hahahahhahah

Go Shane!

watching him fight is boring according to Naz but Floyd hasn't lost so whats more important, being exciting or being undefeated? Floyd still attracts more people to his fights than anyone else since Tyson so he must be doing something right.

I love watching Floyd fight because of the skill he shows. The object of the sport is to hit and not be hit and thats what Floyd does. I mean against Marquez he landed 60% of his punches to Marquez's 12% so why would Floyd stand there and trade and put himself at more risk to be hit when he can just pick apart his opponents.

[JerseySuave4]

Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Shane Mosley - 05-01-2010

Brother Naz is just trying to simulate Floyds power

or he doesnt want Shane's face to get hit because he'll need more plastic surgery

[JerseySuave4]

Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Shane Mosley - 05-01-2010

Has anyone ever gone to their local theater to see a fight? They have it available here in NC for $25. I was just wondering how that experience is. Obviously there will be no food or drinks but I'm not worried about that. I just don't want to have to put the money down for the PPV.

i was considering watching the UFC PPV that was at the Prudential Center, at Radio City but i figured if i was gonna do that might as well just go to the Prudential Center but i just ended up ordering it. I prob wouldnt enjoy it because i feel like there wouldnt be as many hardcore boxing fans and i dont like watching fights with people that dont know boxing and think just because a guy throws more he is winning.