The producers are blaming boxing for this game failure

[bdolan33]

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They aren't satisfying the casual fans, or the hardcore fans.

[TDKing]

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I didn't buy the game because I wanted an in depth multiplayer online career mode, not a single player story mode.

[Jukeman]

I didn't buy the game because I wanted an in depth multiplayer online career mode, not a single player story mode.

Lol how is the story mode? I haven't heard much about it since release

[Keenan G.]

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Boxing needs more big fights more often and only one champ. Get rid of the IBF, WBO and whatever.

Also, why not put fights on the local channels like ABC? PPV would be used for the big fights.

[BoomerSooner420]

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Boxing does indeed have only 1 champion (per division) it's called the Ring magazine rankings. That's the best we're gonna get. The alphabet titles are never going to go away and there will never be a unified "league" for boxing, because only 2 fighters can fight for 1 title at a time, and anyone excluded is gonna say "well i'm the best and i should be in there" and when they are not, they go invent some bs title to say they are "the champion". Even though we all know the title means nothing, it becomes a bargaining tool to get bigger fights.

The same thing is true for MMA. When a fighter is excluded from the UFC, they go fight in Strikeforce, or some swedish event or something that means about as much as the alphabet titles in boxing. The difference is that MMA doesn't generate the same amount of interest and revenue for a single big fight, and the fighters know that if they want the big money then their belt needs to say UFC somewhere on it, so they want to be in the UFC. Not true for boxing, the top fighters in the popular divisions will make millions for one fight, regardless of the abc's on the belts, and so they are happy to continue promoting themselves individually.

The UFC's so called "structure" is not the best thing either. Dana White is a fight promoter not so different from Don King or any other fight promoter making a living off of another man's sweat and blood. His stable is the UFC. The fighters are hand picked, and the fights are hand picked for "excitement" in order to boost interest in a sport that was failing miserably for decades because people don't really want to watch 2 guys lay on each other for 15 or 20 minutes, which is exactly what MMA was not so long ago. Don't get me wrong, the fighter selection, the rule changes, and the aggressive marketing have made the UFC into the best thing to ever happen to mma. It just wouldn't work for a boxer such as Mayweather who can make more money on his own for one fight, than a league would make in a year without him, and under the UFC's policy of only taking on the most "exciting" fighters, guys like Floyd Mayweather and Bernard Hopkins would be no-name fighters on the undercard of a bellator event. The fighters, managers, and promoters know this and will not agree to a league setup.

The only fix is for a truly dominant fighter to unify all of the titles for his division, and that won't happen totally and completely because the orginizations behind the belts dont want it to happen for monitary reasons among other things. Just like the fact that you'll never see the UFC champion fight the Strikeforce champion for the right to be champion of both at the same time, it's too much lost cheddar.

Boxing still has large amount of fans, boxing still makes a very large amount of money, boxing still has alot of big name fighters that even my sports hating gf recognizes, unfortunately less and less from the USA but that's a problem with the failing amature system and a discussion for another time, but if you can sell FIFA soccer in america, then you can damn sure sell Fight Night boxing in america. They can't blame this game's failure on boxing any more than they can blame the NFL for the failure of EA's Head Coach. How about the imaginary sports like the Street Fighter and Mortal Kombat series. I mean, never once have I seen Sub Zero rip someone's spine out live on ESPN, but the game still sells copies.

The bottom line is...
Make a good game and people will play it, and then tell others to play it. Make a bad game and people will play it, and then tell others to stay away from the piece of crap.

[ajns]

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Boxing does indeed have only 1 champion (per division) it's called the Ring magazine rankings. That's the best we're gonna get. The alphabet titles are never going to go away and there will never be a unified "league" for boxing, because only 2 fighters can fight for 1 title at a time, and anyone excluded is gonna say "well i'm the best and i should be in there" and when they are not, they go invent some bs title to say they are "the champion". Even though we all know the title means nothing, it becomes a bargaining tool to get bigger fights.

This is why state athletic commissions need to be on board. It can be done if commissions refuse to license a boxer to fight unless they are recognized and fighting in the "league" as you put it. If it is illegal to fight for your ABC title without a license, that pretty much puts an end to it. You still have a logistical hurdle when you go international, but you have to start somewhere.

[BoomerSooner420]

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This is why state athletic commissions need to be on board. It can be done if commissions refuse to license a boxer to fight unless they are recognized and fighting in the "league" as you put it. If it is illegal to fight for your ABC title without a license, that pretty much puts an end to it. You still have a logistical hurdle when you go international, but you have to start somewhere.

Yeah, the last sentence there is the problem. They'd just go somewhere else. They'll go to another state until they have no more to go to, different countries which they will never run out of, getting everyone to agree fully on anything is impossible, and is why I say it will never happen. It's not like even Mexico, right next door, gives a frig about what we think rules should be.

[Money99]

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Good post BoomerSooner420.

The one thing that worries me about this sport is how popular the UFC is becoming, while boxing might be dying with the old guard.

I went to a massive book store yesterday and went into the magazine section to find a boxing mag.
I found 6 different MMA magazines, and zero boxing mags. Not even The Ring.
Very sad.

EDIT: It's strange. I would think that with the rise in popularity for one combat sport, it might trickle to others.
But it seems a great majority of fans are strictly on one side of the fence.

[TheShizNo1]

Good post BoomerSooner420.

The one thing that worries me about this sport is how popular the UFC is becoming, while boxing might be dying with the old guard.

I went to a massive book store yesterday and went into the magazine section to find a boxing mag.
I found 6 different MMA magazines, and zero boxing mags. Not even The Ring.
Very sad.

Wow...I haven't seen the ring in a long time

[Vast]

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Good post BoomerSooner420.

The one thing that worries me about this sport is how popular the UFC is becoming, while boxing might be dying with the old guard.

I went to a massive book store yesterday and went into the magazine section to find a boxing mag.
I found 6 different MMA magazines, and zero boxing mags. Not even The Ring.
Very sad.
EDIT: It's strange. I would think that with the rise in popularity for one combat sport, it might trickle to others.
But it seems a great majority of fans are strictly on one side of the fence.

The main reason for that i think is the fact that even boxing fans have a hard time finding fight footage on up and coming boxers. So the boxers the magazines may want to talk about no one has heard of or is an unknown to them.

The UFC is all over tv and even the up and commers are on tv in the TUF shows, so you have a multitude of fighters to put on the MMA cover and they will sell you magazines.

A boxing mag would have Pac and PBF on every single cover if they want to sell some mags.

[phillyfan23]

Re: The producers are blaming boxing for this game failure

Good post BoomerSooner420.

The one thing that worries me about this sport is how popular the UFC is becoming, while boxing might be dying with the old guard.

I went to a massive book store yesterday and went into the magazine section to find a boxing mag.
I found 6 different MMA magazines, and zero boxing mags. Not even The Ring.
Very sad.

EDIT: It's strange. I would think that with the rise in popularity for one combat sport, it might trickle to others.
But it seems a great majority of fans are strictly on one side of the fence.

I love both boxing and MMA.....but there is just not enough good fights going on right now in boxing....the heavyweight division is ruled by wladimir klitcshko, this guy would be an average fighter in the days of Ali, Frazier or Holyfield Bowe tyson.

The biggest fight that should happen (pac and mayweather) might never happen. how can there be any interest???

MMA there is at least an event per month with at least 2-3 quality fights per card. Sometimes you get an event where all the fights are entertaining.

Also, MMA is becoming more popular because it is the closest to actual combat. Boxing is just one aspect of fighting.....mma there is boxing, muay thai, karate, wrestling, jiu-jitsu, etc. As people start to learn those disciplines, they appreciate it more.

Also, the best MMA fighter will ALWAYS beat the best boxer in real combat. This notion I thought didn't make a difference, but a large group of my mma friends who enjoy boxing as well states why this makes MMA more appealing.

[jack1535]

If Boxing wants more fans they need to show fights on cable TV. UFC has fights on Spike and Versus while Boxing is only HBO and Pay-Per-View

[Mr_Riddick]

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It didn't sell because of Pretty boy floydd.

[Money99]

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Also, the best MMA fighter will ALWAYS beat the best boxer in real combat. This notion I thought didn't make a difference, but a large group of my mma friends who enjoy boxing as well states why this makes MMA more appealing.

I used to think that too, but not anymore.
UFC isn't 'real' fighting either. You can't drop a 12-6 elbow, knee a downed opponent, bite, scratch, sack, headbutt or soccer kick.

Even with all of that, a MMA is going to beat a boxer most of the time. As anyone knows, wrestling trumps any sort of striking skills.
I knew a guy once who was 165lbs soaking wet and witnessed him taking down a 250+ biker dude with ease using his highschool wrestling skills.
Once he wrapped himself around him, the big dude couldn't do anything until someone broke them up.

Saying that, it's for that reason I prefer boxing. I like striking. For me, I'd far prefer watching two guys trade hands than roll around on the ground looking for openings for a hammer-punch or submissions.
Think about it. If you saw 2 fights break out on the street with one featuring two guys rolling around on the ground, or the other guys standing and trading, which do you think would attract more attention?
That's why I'm shocked with the popularity of UFC. WAY too many fights are hug fests.
It's also why the people who run boxing need to get their heads out of their butts and work to fix the game.
If they put on monthly boxing cards that featured top contenders against each other, boxing could possibly remove UFC off the map.
But we know it'll never happen.

[DaveDQ]

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Good post, Boomer.