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[JayBee74]

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LOL, come on Money, say what you mean! Don't hold back!

I don't mind the sub divisions with the cutoff at 130 (super featherweight or junior lightweight) like they use to have. The lowest three divisions (feather, bantam, and fly) were not split.

I think I've said this before but I prefer a TWO major organization setup like the old days with the WBC and WBA, simply because you can set up seamless unification bouts.

As long as there is no government regulation (recent attempts have failed) of boxing Top Rank and Golden Boy, not the WBC, WBA, and IBF, control the money and the sport.

[sheredia]

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Lol, sorry Golden Boy, not paying to see this at all.

curious to see what the numbers are for this one......

[N51_rob]

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curious to see what the numbers are for this one......

Oh I'm sure they will do great PPV numbers in Mexico and the UK, and obviously sections of the US boxing fans will support Cannelo. But I doubt it gets the hardcore fan or the casual.

[N51_rob]

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Did not know that. Thanks Mo.


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[Money99]

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Oh I'm sure they will do great PPV numbers in Mexico and the UK, and obviously sections of the US boxing fans will support Cannelo. But I doubt it gets the hardcore fan or the casual.

Very true. There are many Latino American's who support Canelo and will buy this fight. And the UK will be all over themselves.

Financially, it's a very smart fight to put on by DLH. Not only will it make a boatload of money, but he's able to protect his red-headed Faberge Egg for one more fight.
Just keep putting lesser opponents in the ring and pray to God that GGG starts to decline before striking.

I'm starting to think Canelo is one of the most overrated fighters on the planet.
He's starting to take on the stench of Julio Chavez Jr. Keep fighting at catchweights knowing his weight on the day of the fight will give him a 10 to 20 lb advantage.

[JayBee74]

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He's starting to take on the stench of Julio Chavez Jr. Keep fighting at catchweights knowing his weight on the day of the fight will give him a 10 to 20 lb advantage.

I don't think he's that bad, but there's some truth in that.

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Canelo PPV totals:

VS Mayweather- 2.2 million
VS Angulo-350,000
VS Lara-300,000
VS Cotto-900,000

I think Oscar is trying to sell Alvarez as a golden goose, but he's not.

[Sgt_Carnage]

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I guess GGG is gonna have to crash the ring Tyson Fury style to make this fight happen.

[pietasterp]

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I'm starting to think Canelo is one of the most overrated fighters on the planet.
He's starting to take on the stench of Julio Chavez Jr. Keep fighting at catchweights knowing his weight on the day of the fight will give him a 10 to 20 lb advantage.

I don't think he's that bad, but there's some truth in that.

I actually think they're exactly the same (in that regard). Both just functionally 2-3 weight classes heavier than their opponents on fight night. Light heavyweights fighting welterweights. I see no difference between Chavez Jr. and Canelo. Although, if you were inclined to give him credit (and I don't see why you would...), at least Chavez Jr. actually tried to fight at his real weight in light heavy....and then got pummeled by Andrzej Fonfara. I think it might have been of case of not having any choice any more since he hasn't been within 30 lbs of making weight in his last few fights, but nevertheless...he put himself in front of a light heavy. Canelo is content to squash out-gunned 147-lbers while coming into the ring looking as big as Sergey Kovalev.

I guess I don't "blame" Golden Boy for doing what they're doing, it's just a problem with boxing in general. The PPV model works really well for about 1% of people involved with the sport. For the other 99%, you're killing yourself for below minimum-wage. I hate to say it, but at some point good young fighters need to do the math and realize that for the vast majority, they're much better working at Mcdonald's for the next 30 years of their lives than they would be getting CTE as cannon fodder for $250 per fight.

[aholbert32]

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Am I the only one who didnt expect a GGG/Canelo fight in May?

Oscar made it pretty clear last year that he didnt want Canelo to strongly consider GGG until Fall. I remember him saying a few times that he wanted Canelo and GGG to take interim fights.

So if GGG is out the picture....he had no other options. Going down the top 10 MWs here are his choices:

Jacobs, Qullin and NDam are out because they are Haymon fighters who unlike Khan will only fight people who are Haymon approved.

Billy Joe Saunders was negotiating with GGG and he was refusing to come to the states.

Andy Lee is coming off of a loss to Saunders and isnt a PPV draw.

Same for David Lemeiux.

So you may say "He doesnt have to fight a MM, he could fight a 154 fighter". Well here are the choices.

Lara: Canelo already beat him.
Trout: Not a PPV draw anywhere.
Cotto: Canelo already beat him.
Charlo Brothers: Haymon fighters.

So there arent alot of choices out there for a PPV fight. Also, with a potential huge fight with GGG in the distance there arent any fighters who are worth the risk in losing that fight.

I think he will beat Khan handily but from a business perspective it makes the most sense.

[aholbert32]

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I actually think they're exactly the same (in that regard). Both just functionally 2-3 weight classes heavier than their opponents on fight night. Light heavyweights fighting welterweights. I see no difference between Chavez Jr. and Canelo. Although, if you were inclined to give him credit (and I don't see why you would...), at least Chavez Jr. actually tried to fight at his real weight in light heavy....and then got pummeled by Andrzej Fonfara. I think it might have been of case of not having any choice any more since he hasn't been within 30 lbs of making weight in his last few fights, but nevertheless...he put himself in front of a light heavy. Canelo is content to squash out-gunned 147-lbers while coming into the ring looking as big as Sergey Kovalev.

I guess I don't "blame" Golden Boy for doing what they're doing, it's just a problem with boxing in general. The PPV model works really well for about 1% of people involved with the sport. For the other 99%, you're killing yourself for below minimum-wage. I hate to say it, but at some point good young fighters need to do the math and realize that for the vast majority, they're much better working at Mcdonald's for the next 30 years of their lives than they would be getting CTE as cannon fodder for $250 per fight.

Thats not fair at all. Look at his last 6 fights: He fought Trout, Lara, Kirkland and Angulo who were legit 154ers. Cotto was a 154er who was MW champ. Floyd is a 147er but he's Floyd so you take that fight no matter what.

Khan is the only one where its clear he's purposely fighting a smaller guy.

[N51_rob]

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Your post about his options are valid, but nothing says this needs to be on PPV, would be my counter.

[pietasterp]

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Thats not fair at all. Look at his last 6 fights: He fought Trout, Lara, Kirkland and Angulo who were legit 154ers. Cotto was a 154er who was MW champ. Floyd is a 147er but he's Floyd so you take that fight no matter what.

Khan is the only one where its clear he's purposely fighting a smaller guy.

Fair enough. Point taken.

My impression is still that both fighters are basically relying on being the significantly bigger man in the ring, but there's nothing fundamentally wrong with that.

[aholbert32]

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Your post about his options are valid, but nothing says this needs to be on PPV, would be my counter.

Which is a valid point also but its not taking into account the cost of the fight. GBP would likely lose money if this fight was on HBO. Canelo made 5 mil off of the Cotto fight (not including PPV points). Khan made 1.5 off of his last fight with Algeri. I would guess that both are making more. Most networks arent willing to pay 7-8 million or more for a fight.

There is an unstated rule that once you go PPV, you never go back unless you are a failure or start losing. Once Floyd became the A side on PPV, he never did another free TV fight. Same with Pac.

Thats what Golden Boy is trying to build with Canelo. They feel it would hurt his brand if he was back on HBO now that he has established himself as an A side PPV player.

[JayBee74]

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Am I the only one who didnt expect a GGG/Canelo fight in May?

Oscar made it pretty clear last year that he didnt want Canelo to strongly consider GGG until Fall. I remember him saying a few times that he wanted Canelo and GGG to take interim fights.

I never expected a fight between them in the immediate future. Oscar is just posturing right now-"Considering him in the fall", "10-90 split", "155 Catchweight". Golovkin already rubbed out Golden Boys' GGG middleweight antidote (Lemieux). They're in no hurry to damage Canelo's rep unless it provides a HUGE payday, and they can get Golovkin down to 155-156. I don't know if the numbers add up.

[aholbert32]

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I never expected a fight between them in the immediate future. Oscar is just posturing right now-"Considering him in the fall", "10-90 split", "155 Catchweight". Golovkin already rubbed out Golden Boys' GGG middleweight antidote (Lemieux). They're in no hurry to damage Canelo's rep unless it provides a HUGE payday, and they can get Golovkin down to 155-156. I don't know if the numbers add up.

I think it happens in the Fall. The stuff you are seeing is just examples of Canelo being the A side and making demands he can make.

You saw the list of available fights. NONE of them are PPV level fights and GB needs a Canelo fight in September. The only one I could see throwing a wrench in it is a potential Cotto rematch.

I dont think the weight thing will be an issue and GG will concede a catchweight fight.