Boxing Off-Topic

**JayBee74** · 07-13-2017, 01:37 PM

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Originally posted by N51_rob

Anymore info on why he was denied. Don't want to go political but if its that, it sucks.

That's pretty much it Rob (political). I couldn't really expand on it in this forum.

**sheredia** · 07-13-2017, 01:45 PM

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Originally posted by aholbert32

I dont think he is broke at all. Just cash poor. He probably has cars and property that he could easily sell to pay the $22 mil but he doesnt want to.

i can assure you the IRS was watching the press conference as well.....lol.

**sheredia** · 07-13-2017, 01:57 PM

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Originally posted by JayBee74

They will get the UFC bros. I actually find Joe Rogan and some of his interviews entertaining, but stop fawning over Conor so much. I think Rogan represents the typical UFC fan's attitude toward this fight.

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have these guys seen the conor sparring sessions?.....lol. however, unless conor is pulling a fast one on us and releasing those videos intentionally, to have floyd overconfident and prone to make mistakes in the fight, then it would make some kind of sense. also, floyd laughingly speaks of conor as legitimate competition (with no pro boxing), but will there be a case where he will actually believe it. could he be giving conor way too much respect? now IF conor is able to make floyd deviate from his incredibly predictable game plan and get floyd to try to knock him out, then he could have a snowball's chance.....

**aholbert32** · 07-13-2017, 03:50 PM

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Originally posted by sheredia

have these guys seen the conor sparring sessions?.....lol. however, unless conor is pulling a fast one on us and releasing those videos intentionally, to have floyd overconfident and prone to make mistakes in the fight, then it would make some kind of sense. also, floyd laughingly speaks of conor as legitimate competition (with no pro boxing), but will there be a case where he will actually believe it. could he be giving conor way too much respect? now IF conor is able to make floyd deviate from his incredibly predictable game plan and get floyd to try to knock him out, then he could have a snowball's chance.....

I dont believe that Conor has a realistic chance to win..........BUT he has somethings going for him that people are discounting:

- Conor is bigger than Floyd.

- Conor is one of the most accurate strikers in MMA and I'm not talking about just kicks. Pretty much all of his KOs have resulted from the accumulation of accurate punches.

- Conor has a pretty good chin. Thats why I laugh when people say it will be an easy Floyd KO. Conor can take a punch from 2oz gloves. I think he will be OK taking punches from a fighter without much power in 10oz gloves.

- Floyd has never dealt with a trash talker like Conor. Conor gets under EVERYONE's skin. EVERYONE. I started to see cracks in Floyd's cool when Conor hit him with the he cant read line in front of Floyd's daughter. Also as much as Floyd loves playing the heel, he's never had to deal with anything like this. As much as the Brits hated Floyd and cheered Hatton, Ricky was never really a talker like that.

Do I think Conor has even a 2% chance to win? Nah, but I can see why some people think he has a small chance.

**N51_rob** · 07-13-2017, 03:55 PM

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If Floyd gets a stoppage I see it being pretty much the blue print from Ward/Kovalev 2. Work the body, zap his strength and his stamina and when he's breathing with his mouth open and is gasses finish him off. That is the one thing I question about McGregor his conditioning in the back half of this fight. Even at 40 if Floyd is still doing 15 round sparing sessions he won't fade.

**bigeastbumrush** · 07-13-2017, 05:16 PM

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Originally posted by aholbert32

I dont believe that Conor has a realistic chance to win..........BUT he has somethings going for him that people are discounting:

- Conor is bigger than Floyd.

- Conor is one of the most accurate strikers in MMA and I'm not talking about just kicks. Pretty much all of his KOs have resulted from the accumulation of accurate punches.

- Conor has a pretty good chin. Thats why I laugh when people say it will be an easy Floyd KO. Conor can take a punch from 2oz gloves. I think he will be OK taking punches from a fighter without much power in 10oz gloves.

- Floyd has never dealt with a trash talker like Conor. Conor gets under EVERYONE's skin. EVERYONE. I started to see cracks in Floyd's cool when Conor hit him with the he cant read line in front of Floyd's daughter. Also as much as Floyd loves playing the heel, he's never had to deal with anything like this. As much as the Brits hated Floyd and cheered Hatton, Ricky was never really a talker like that.

Do I think Conor has even a 2% chance to win? Nah, but I can see why some people think he has a small chance.

I don't think anyone is discounting Conor's size. Same height as Canelo Alvarez who had to cut to get down to 152.

I also don't think the crowd support at these pressers are that big of a deal. When has Floyd not gone into a recent fight as the crowd favorite? I actually think the Vegas crowd will heavily be pro-Conor. Not sure if that's really ever made a difference.

I can't speak on Conor's accuracy but can he dodge a punch? I can't see him outpointing Floyd. He would have to throw some haymakers and that might play right into Floyd's hands because he's such an accurate counter-puncher.

Anyone can land a KO.

But it would take something out of this world to throw Floyd off his game and training pre-fight. The jokes are funny but the only thing that will rattle Floyd is taking a big shot in the ring.

These pressers are simply entertainment to get more PPV buys as both of them know full well that they can't touch each other.

**aholbert32** · 07-13-2017, 05:27 PM

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Originally posted by bigeastbumrush

I don't think anyone is discounting Conor's size. Same height as Canelo Alvarez who had to cut to get down to 152.

I also don't think the crowd support at these pressers are that big of a deal. When has Floyd not gone into a recent fight as the crowd favorite? I actually think the Vegas crowd will heavily be pro-Conor. Not sure if that's really ever made a difference.

I can't speak on Conor's accuracy but can he dodge a punch? I can't see him outpointing Floyd. He would have to throw some haymakers and that might play right into Floyd's hands because he's such an accurate counter-puncher.

Anyone can land a KO.

But it would take something out of this world to throw Floyd off his game and training pre-fight. The jokes are funny but the only thing that will rattle Floyd is taking a big shot in the ring.

These pressers are simply entertainment to get more PPV buys as both of them know full well that they can't touch each other.

Yes, Conor can dodge a punch. Is he your typical boxer? Hell no but his entire career has been mostly focused on the standup game and he isnt much of a kicker (except for the second fight against Diaz). He doenst have a chance at outpointing Floyd but this isnt a complete novice when it comes to boxing.

Maybe the comments and the crowd wont get to Floyd but he's never experienced anything like this. He's never dealt with an opponent with a mouth like Conor's. I just know how Floyd reacted yesterday. Its all about hyping the fight but he has 2 more days of this plus the press conference on fight week. There hasnt been a single UFC fighter who has been able to ignore his taunts. Maybe Floyd is different.

I've been to 3 Conor fights live and the Irish travel. I absolutely expect that the building will be at least 70% Conor fans and that maybe low.

It really wont make a difference because I think Floyd will win easily. I just think there are things people are underestimating.

**bigeastbumrush** · 07-13-2017, 06:45 PM

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I think the sportsbooks will make a killing when it's all said and done if these pro-Conor/UFC crowds we're seeing are buying into this and believing anything is possible..lol.

**pk500** · 07-13-2017, 07:30 PM

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Originally posted by aholbert32

- Conor is bigger than Floyd.

So was Canelo. We saw how that worked out.

Originally posted by aholbert32

- Conor is one of the most accurate strikers in MMA and I'm not talking about just kicks. Pretty much all of his KOs have resulted from the accumulation of accurate punches.

Yep, Conor is accurate against MMA fighters, who don't pay much attention to defense. Like nearly all MMA fighters, McGregor's punching style is wide and roundhouse. Very easy for Mayweather to defend.

Originally posted by aholbert32

- Conor has a pretty good chin. Thats why I laugh when people say it will be an easy Floyd KO. Conor can take a punch from 2oz gloves. I think he will be OK taking punches from a fighter without much power in 10oz gloves.

True. Mayweather won't knock out McGregor because Mayweather hasn't knocked out anyone since he sucker-punched Victor Ortiz in 2011. The extra weight of a 10-ounce glove protects fighters' hands more than softens blows. Force equals mass times gravity. There's more mass in a 10-ounce glove.

Floyd has a deceptive chin. Shane Mosley ROCKED him with a perfect punch in the second round of their bout. Floyd shook it off and dominated from the third round until the end of the fight. McGregor is bigger than Mosley, but he does not have the perfect, compact punching technique of Sugar Shane, so I doubt McGregor will hit Mayweather with anything harder than that shot.

Originally posted by aholbert32

- Floyd has never dealt with a trash talker like Conor. Conor gets under EVERYONE's skin. EVERYONE. I started to see cracks in Floyd's cool when Conor hit him with the he cant read line in front of Floyd's daughter. Also as much as Floyd loves playing the heel, he's never had to deal with anything like this. As much as the Brits hated Floyd and cheered Hatton, Ricky was never really a talker like that.

True. Floyd has finally met his match in trash-talking. McGregor is ruining him, which is hilarious to see. About damn time.

**N51_rob** · 07-13-2017, 08:36 PM

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Did anyone pick up on the mement in Toronto where Floyd said to Connor "if you're so sure you can win bet your whole ****ing check!"? If you watch Connor's face in those moments right after there is this look of sheer fear on McGregor's face either Floyd went off script of he realized he really has no chance and isn't blowing this mega payday.

For all the shenanigans that moment was telling to me. Many seemed to have missed it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJ6fZvIu5x8

**JayBee74** · 07-13-2017, 08:40 PM

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Originally posted by pk500

True. Mayweather won't knock out McGregor because Mayweather hasn't knocked out anyone since he sucker-punched Victor Ortiz in 2011. The extra weight of a 10-ounce glove protects fighters' hands more than softens blows. Force equals mass times gravity. There's more mass in a 10-ounce glove.

Floyd has a deceptive chin. Shane Mosley ROCKED him with a perfect punch in the second round of their bout. Floyd shook it off and dominated from the third round until the end of the fight. McGregor is bigger than Mosley, but he does not have the perfect, compact punching technique of Sugar Shane, so I doubt McGregor will hit Mayweather with anything harder than that shot.

Conor is going to be flailing and missing until he gets nailed with a few counterpunches and realizes the constant sting of a world class boxer's 10 ounce gloves ain't worth it. He'll start backing off and taunting Floyd to come in and at that point it will boil down to how superior Floyd is. I think there will be a stoppage.

The only question about Floyd's chin is that few can hit him with their Sunday punch.

**aholbert32** · 07-13-2017, 09:14 PM

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Originally posted by pk500

So was Canelo. We saw how that worked out.

Yep, Conor is accurate against MMA fighters, who don't pay much attention to defense. Like nearly all MMA fighters, McGregor's punching style is wide and roundhouse. Very easy for Mayweather .

I disagree with that. Mcgregor style isn't wild at all. His best punch is his left straight and his punches are much more linear and accurate than most mma fighters.

Lack of defense isnt why he lands either. He lands because he's one of the most precise strikers in the sport.

I'm not saying he has **** for Floyd. I'm just saying a lot of the boxing only folks completely misunderstand his skills.

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**N51_rob** · 07-13-2017, 09:55 PM

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I'll be honest, I'm probably one of those people. I haven't watched enough of his work if I'm being honest.

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**bigeastbumrush** · 07-13-2017, 10:23 PM

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Originally posted by N51_rob

Did anyone pick up on the mement in Toronto where Floyd said to Connor "if you're so sure you can win bet your whole ****ing check!"? If you watch Connor's face in those moments right after there is this look of sheer fear on McGregor's face either Floyd went off script of he realized he really has no chance and isn't blowing this mega payday.

For all the shenanigans that moment was telling to me. Many seemed to have missed it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJ6fZvIu5x8

Because in a moment of time he realized what this is: the opportunity for the biggest payday in his lifetime.

He sobered up from his WWF schtick really quick.

And this is why so many fighters are so chummy and buddy-buddy with Floyd after fights. Deep down they're thankful.

**aholbert32** · 07-13-2017, 10:28 PM

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Originally posted by N51_rob

I'll be honest, I'm probably one of those people. I haven't watched enough of his work if I'm being honest.

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Most of my friends are boxing and not MMA fans and Conor is one of the few guys that I force my friends to watch in MMA. With the exception of the Holloway fight (where he tore his ACL and still won the fight), Conor hasnt had a single boring UFC fight. He's accurate as hell and he doesnt like going to the ground. Thats part of the reason why fans love him.

With 90% of MMA fighters, PK's "wild and roundhouse" take would be right but not with Conor.

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