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[JayBee74]

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I think I've made this comment before, but one of the reasons Chavez Jr. won't ever be great is that he grew up relatively comfortably.

Exhibit A:

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[Sgt_Carnage]

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Exhibit A:

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Man, if he'd have never hooked up with Robin Givens

[pietasterp]

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Man, if he'd have never hooked up with Robin Givens

Or Don King....

Also, although this is well-trodden ground by now, while Cus d'Amato was the reason Tyson was taken from street thug to heavyweight champ, by most (all?) accounts, he also let him slide in virtually every circumstance in life no matter how wayward or wrong he was, and never guided him in any way outside of boxing. Maybe that wasn't his job, but when you invite a kid to come live with you when he's 14 or 15 (or however old he was), I think you're basically taking on the responsibility of raising that person at that point. I know he's biased, but there's got to be at least some truth to what Teddy Atlas has said about how much Cus coddled and protected Mike in spite of there being obvious signs from the start that the guy was a complete sociopath.

[Money99]

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Or Don King....

Also, although this is well-trodden ground by now, while Cus d'Amato was the reason Tyson was taken from street thug to heavyweight champ, by most (all?) accounts, he also let him slide in virtually every circumstance in life no matter how wayward or wrong he was, and never guided him in any way outside of boxing. Maybe that wasn't his job, but when you invite a kid to come live with you when he's 14 or 15 (or however old he was), I think you're basically taking on the responsibility of raising that person at that point. I know he's biased, but there's got to be at least some truth to what Teddy Atlas has said about how much Cus coddled and protected Mike in spite of there being obvious signs from the start that the guy was a complete sociopath.

In Tysons own autobiography he mentions a few things that lead you to believe that Cus was never a warm and loving father figure.
He'd belittle Mike from time to time and didn't always provide the emotional support Mike probably needed.

Mike never blames him for any of his short comings whatsoever. But he mentions a few stories that make you believe Mike wanted more of a father and less of a trainer from Cus.
Considering Mike never really knew his dad, I think he was happy with any sort of father figure in his life regardless of the motives of said man.

I think Atlas is spot on with his assessment of Cus's shortcomings as a guardian.

I'm glad Mike seems to have figured his life out and appears to be much happier for it.

Saying that, I'm still obsessed with Tysons career and constantly thinking about what could have been had Mike remained with Rooney and maintained his focus.
Rooney has said several times that Tyson could have easily retired 50-0 without ever being truly challenged.

In the book Bad Intentions it was stated that Tyson wanted to retire after the Spinks fight. Bill Cayton had mended some of the distust between the two of them and had come up with a 4-fight plan that would have kept him rich for life before hanging them up.
He was to fight Ruddock, Douglas, Bruno and then lastly Holyfield.

But as we know, King and Givens worked together to lure him away from Cayton and Rooney and the rest is history.
He stopped training and became a one dimensional fighter instead of the multi-punch combo machine that had wicked head and foot movement that dominated the HW scene.
Rooney was correct when he said Bruno hit him with more clean shots in their first fight than all his previous 34 fights combined.

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[sheredia]

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In Tysons own autobiography he mentions a few things that lead you to believe that Cus was never a warm and loving father figure.
He'd belittle Mike from time to time and didn't always provide the emotional support Mike probably needed.

Mike never blames him for any of his short comings whatsoever. But he mentions a few stories that make you believe Mike wanted more of a father and less of a trainer from Cus.
Considering Mike never really knew his dad, I think he was happy with any sort of father figure in his life regardless of the motives of said man.

I think Atlas is spot on with his assessment of Cus's shortcomings as a guardian.

I'm glad Mike seems to have figured his life out and appears to be much happier for it.

Saying that, I'm still obsessed with Tysons career and constantly thinking about what could have been had Mike remained with Rooney and maintained his focus.
Rooney has said several times that Tyson could have easily retired 50-0 without ever being truly challenged.

In the book Bad Intentions it was stated that Tyson wanted to retire after the Spinks fight. Bill Cayton had mended some of the distust between the two of them and had come up with a 4-fight plan that would have kept him rich for life before hanging them up.
He was to fight Ruddock, Douglas, Bruno and then lastly Holyfield.

But as we know, King and Givens worked together to lure him away from Cayton and Rooney and the rest is history.
He stopped training and became a one dimensional fighter instead of the multi-punch combo machine that had wicked head and foot movement that dominated the HW scene.
Rooney was correct when he said Bruno hit him with more clean shots in their first fight than all his previous 34 fights combined.

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the tyson documentary was very good and heard talk of a possible movie with jamie foxx as mike....all this time and mike was the last great heavyweight draw on ppv.

[N51_rob]

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So Danny Garcia does meet and greets at Dunkin Donuts in Florida a lot and my boy met him today. Said that while his fight with Thurman is free his "fight with Floyd will cost dollars"




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[gmac0322]

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Wilder is fighting Andrezj wawrzk Feb 25. Joke tune up fight. I am sure he is waiting for the winner of Klitschko vs Joshua

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[JayBee74]

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Wilder is fighting Andrezj wawrzk Feb 25. Joke tune up fight. I am sure he is waiting for the winner of Klitschko vs Joshua

Might be testing the hand out-unfortunately at the expense of Andrezj Wawrzk's face.

[gmac0322]

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Might be testing the hand out-unfortunately at the expense of Andrezj Wawrzk's face.

Definitely will be quick easy sparring session for Wilder

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[JayBee74]

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Saying that, I'm still obsessed with Tysons career and constantly thinking about what could have been had Mike remained with Rooney and maintained his focus.
Rooney has said several times that Tyson could have easily retired 50-0 without ever being truly challenged.

Yeah, but who is Kevin Rooney other then the trainer that was at the helm at the peak of Tyson's career? A rejuvenated Buster Douglas was the best boxer he had ever faced up until that time, and he couldn't handle him. You're not going to get commitment and discipline from a trainer.

The "could ofs" can be applied to Buster himself. If he had viewed the Holyfield fight as a continuation of his success and not only a lottery ticket I believe he would have beaten Evander. I still get a kick out of Mike explaining away the drubbing he got at the hands of Douglas-Buster simply took the count that the ref gave him.

[Money99]

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Yeah, but who is Kevin Rooney other then the trainer that was at the helm at the peak of Tyson's career? A rejuvenated Buster Douglas was the best boxer he had ever faced up until that time, and he couldn't handle him. You're not going to get commitment and discipline from a trainer.

The "could ofs" can be applied to Buster himself. If he had viewed the Holyfield fight as a continuation of his success and not only a lottery ticket I believe he would have beaten Evander. I still get a kick out of Mike explaining away the drubbing he got at the hands of Douglas-Buster simply took the count that the ref gave him.

Good points.
I could make an argument that Tyson faced a very slick, determined and skilled fighter in Tony Tucker and beat him.
I believe a focused and properly trained Tyson beats Douglas.

I agree with you on the Douglas-Holyfield assessment.
If Tokyo Douglas shows up for that bout, Holyfield loses.

I used to have a Ring magazine that broke down all the fights available to Douglas after his big win with predictions on how he'd fair.
They had him beating everyone, including a rematch with Tyson.
The only guy they felt who would beat him was Razor Ruddock. Go figure.

It's just as big a shame what happened to Douglas as it was with Tyson.
Both guys had lots of talent but tossed it away.
I don't think Tyson really cared about boxing once he won the belt.
He even stated once he went to jail he couldn't have cared less. He only continued to fight because he wanted the money.





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[sheredia]

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Good points.
I could make an argument that Tyson faced a very slick, determined and skilled fighter in Tony Tucker and beat him.
I believe a focused and properly trained Tyson beats Douglas.

I agree with you on the Douglas-Holyfield assessment.
If Tokyo Douglas shows up for that bout, Holyfield loses.

I used to have a Ring magazine that broke down all the fights available to Douglas after his big win with predictions on how he'd fair.
They had him beating everyone, including a rematch with Tyson.
The only guy they felt who would beat him was Razor Ruddock. Go figure.

It's just as big a shame what happened to Douglas as it was with Tyson.
Both guys had lots of talent but tossed it away.
I don't think Tyson really cared about boxing once he won the belt.
He even stated once he went to jail he couldn't have cared less. He only continued to fight because he wanted the money.

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it was a perfect storm for tyson.....a unfocused and overconfident tyson vs. a motivated and skilled douglas. sometimes it seems like the most formidable opponent for a fighter is the fighter themselves.

[pietasterp]

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Saying that, I'm still obsessed with Tysons career and constantly thinking about what could have been had Mike remained with Rooney and maintained his focus.
Rooney has said several times that Tyson could have easily retired 50-0 without ever being truly challenged.

How can you not be? Regardless of what you think about him, Tyson is one of the most compelling (if not the most compelling) sports figures in the last quarter century. The paradoxical personality (a guy who wants to drive your nose through your brain and threatens to eat your children legitimately feels bad after he knocks you into next Tuesday and tries to help opponents up after the KO....), the odd flashes of genuine insight mixed with complete lunacy, the occasional glimpses of intelligence mixed with comical malapropisms....and of course the insanely high level he achieved in the sport in such a brief period of time. It's all bordering on operatic.

It's just as big a shame what happened to Douglas as it was with Tyson.
Both guys had lots of talent but tossed it away.
I don't think Tyson really cared about boxing once he won the belt.
He even stated once he went to jail he couldn't have cared less. He only continued to fight because he wanted the money.

Yeah, always wondered what could have been for Douglas. Once again, you can lead a horse to water...

So Danny Garcia does meet and greets at Dunkin Donuts in Florida a lot and my boy met him today. Said that while his fight with Thurman is free his "fight with Floyd will cost dollars"

Cool! Nice that he's out-and-about, trying to keep a good face on boxing. Just keep his dad away from the fans....

Is your buddy a doc? Baller move to show up in scrubs.

[JayBee74]

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Jacobs is a 5 or 6-1 underdog against GGG. Does anyone think that's too much?

The fight is March 18th.

[gmac0322]

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Jacobs is a 5 or 6-1 underdog against GGG. Does anyone think that's too much?

The fight is March 18th.

I do but I am not surprised. I didnt realize that it was in march too. Gonna be a good month of fights with Garcia vs Thurman too.

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