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[ojandpizza]

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I just can’t see any of them beating Fury. I know it’s HW and it only takes one punch to completely alter any fight but especially HW.. but he’s just got such a unique combination of size, speed, timing, stamina. I think his power (because of his size) is underrated, and he’s gotten up from some massive shots.. even in a tie up situation, that weight just leaning on his opponent just wears and wears on them.

Don’t think Fury will ever face the competition to put himself in contention with the greatest heavyweights ever, he doesn’t deserve that career wise, but it’s tough for me to imagine in terms of “Time Machine” thinking who I think would just obviously beat him when he’s at his best.

[allBthere]

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I just can’t see any of them beating Fury. I know it’s HW and it only takes one punch to completely alter any fight but especially HW.. but he’s just got such a unique combination of size, speed, timing, stamina. I think his power (because of his size) is underrated, and he’s gotten up from some massive shots.. even in a tie up situation, that weight just leaning on his opponent just wears and wears on them.

Don’t think Fury will ever face the competition to put himself in contention with the greatest heavyweights ever, he doesn’t deserve that career wise, but it’s tough for me to imagine in terms of “Time Machine” thinking who I think would just obviously beat him when he’s at his best.

Smokin' Joe!

[ojandpizza]

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Smokin' Joe!

Maybe so. Lennox Lewis was actually the first to pop in my head.

I wasn’t really saying I believe Fury would be the favorite over everybody and couldn’t lose. More so that it’s just hard for me to see someone being an obvious favorite over him either.

Watched Lewis tie up with guys time and time again and he was so tall in comparison that he was basically putting his entire weight down on top of them. Fury did that to 6’7 Wilder lol. It’s just crazy to see a dude that big not tire out when fights go the distance, get up from late round knockdowns, and still have speed like he does. Wilder got him down 4 times in total and he kept getting up.

A guy like Joe might be the pick. Obviously at that size Fury would be a big target to get inside. Young Tyson maybe too if he gets him early enough. But we also saw Forman fairly easily use his length to push Frazier down and brush him aside every time he lowered his head. Fury doesn’t have that type of power obviously, but those punches still have a ton of weight behind them.

Would be interested to watch for sure. Hard to compare any modern heavyweight against those guys from the past though. Different breeds back then.

[KG]

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That was a clean shot by Dubois


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[ojandpizza]

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That was a clean shot by Dubois


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Looks like it was on the belt and the trunks are a little high too. Easily clean IMO.

[ojandpizza]

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Then again this pic looks a bit lower and more difficult to call.. hard to tell if this picture is just before contact and the other just after.. regardless maybe it was a bit closer than I thought.

[steelcityjames]

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I just can't get excited about Jared Anderson until he starts fighting quality opponents in his own age group.

[Money99]

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Maybe so. Lennox Lewis was actually the first to pop in my head.

I wasn’t really saying I believe Fury would be the favorite over everybody and couldn’t lose. More so that it’s just hard for me to see someone being an obvious favorite over him either.

Watched Lewis tie up with guys time and time again and he was so tall in comparison that he was basically putting his entire weight down on top of them. Fury did that to 6’7 Wilder lol. It’s just crazy to see a dude that big not tire out when fights go the distance, get up from late round knockdowns, and still have speed like he does. Wilder got him down 4 times in total and he kept getting up.

A guy like Joe might be the pick. Obviously at that size Fury would be a big target to get inside. Young Tyson maybe too if he gets him early enough. But we also saw Forman fairly easily use his length to push Frazier down and brush him aside every time he lowered his head. Fury doesn’t have that type of power obviously, but those punches still have a ton of weight behind them.

Would be interested to watch for sure. Hard to compare any modern heavyweight against those guys from the past though. Different breeds back then.

Fury has also failed drug tests. I'm guessing that's where he gets his endurance from.

Tyson Fury had a similar positive test for an anabolic steroid nandrolone, and blamed it on eating wild boar testicles.

And yes, that was his excuse.

I think prime Lewis, Wlad Klitscho, Ali and Tyson beat him.
He was floored by Cunningham, a blown-up Cruiserweight. He was losing that fight but he kept leaning his bulge on Steve and eventually that sapped him of any wind and eventually stopped him.
One thing that I think sometimes gets overlooked is how often Wilder touched him. And Wilder is considered to be a 'bad boxer'.
So a prime Lewis or Wlad, who have those skills and great power, I think they KO him.

I don't have anything against Fury but the HW division is really thin. There has only really been 4 fighters for a while now; Wilder, AJ, Fury and now Usyk. And he's fought only 1 of them - the one-dimensional fighter.
He is ducking AJ and Usyk and I bet it's because he knows he'd have a hard time with them.
Again, nothing against Fury. But I do wonder if he's overhyped because he's done well in a very thin era.

[ojandpizza]

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Fury has also failed drug tests. I'm guessing that's where he gets his endurance from.

Strong possibility that it's true, but in the context of all this how many other fighters in history could this apply to?

I think prime Lewis, Wlad Klitscho, Ali and Tyson beat him.

I agree that all of these guys would be on my short list as well.

He was floored by Cunningham, a blown-up Cruiserweight. He was losing that fight but he kept leaning his bulge on Steve and eventually that sapped him of any wind and eventually stopped him.

This is part of it for me though. He can essentially do that to anybody because he's just that big. I know that's another 10ish pound jump from Cunningham to guys like Ali, Holyfield, Tyson, etc.. But Fury came in at another 20-30 pounds heavier in the Wilder II fight than he did back then as well. I actually think that's sorta peak Fury, I thought he would look slower and less fluid at that size, he didn't.

One thing that I think sometimes gets overlooked is how often Wilder touched him. And Wilder is considered to be a 'bad boxer'.
So a prime Lewis or Wlad, who have those skills and great power, I think they KO him.

True also, but nobody else has beaten Wilder either. And as much as Wilder was able to get to him it also didn't matter. Not seeing Wilder against AJ or Usyk hurts all this as well.

I don't have anything against Fury but the HW division is really thin. There has only really been 4 fighters for a while now; Wilder, AJ, Fury and now Usyk. And he's fought only 1 of them - the one-dimensional fighter.
He is ducking AJ and Usyk and I bet it's because he knows he'd have a hard time with them.
Again, nothing against Fury. But I do wonder if he's overhyped because he's done well in a very thin era.

Yeah I agree with all this. He hasn't really fought anybody, and even if he ends up fighting and beating both AJ and Usyk at some point who knows if he , or them, looks as sharp as they have at other points in their careers and that's still just a really thin era regardless in comparison. I personally don't believe Tyson or Wlad really have super strong resumes in that sense either, but Fury is definitely lacking.

[steelcityjames]

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Last year I cancelled DAZN and recently I cancelled ESPN+ .... boxing was the only reason I subscribed but over the past several months it's been getting harder and harder to watch. All too often the fight cards are one-sided snooze fests and the majority of the night is spent watching a split screen showing commercials or dressing room footage while the fight is going on. It's simply not worth it anymore....

[JayBee74]

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Last year I cancelled DAZN and recently I cancelled ESPN+ .... boxing was the only reason I subscribed but over the past several months it's been getting harder and harder to watch. All too often the fight cards are one-sided snooze fests and the majority of the night is spent watching a split screen showing commercials or dressing room footage while the fight is going on. It's simply not worth it anymore....

Yeah, I passed on a quick sign up to ESPN+ for Zhang-Joyce and will probably not buy one month of DAZN ($24.95) for the Joe Smith-Ramirez cruiserweight catchweight fight.

[allBthere]

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There are a few IPTV providers that solves all issues. Usually about 110 bucks/year, 5 devices allowed per account simultaneously with the ability to be in 2 locations. You just need firesticks or google TV dongle's per TV. Phones and tablets can run off the app, laptops/computers can run through a link.

Live TV, Movies, TV, PPV etc etc ...

2.5 years now - it's honestly a no-brainer at this point. Tried to cancel TV but the provider made it cheaper to keep my fast internet AND TV than JUST internet so- have "cable tv" as well which gets a small amount of use.

[pietasterp]

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https://www.outkick.com/showtime-to-drop-boxing-marking-end-of-era/

No HBO Boxing, no Showtime Championship Boxing...the fights will be broadcast somewhere, but boxing's model just keeps getting worse and worse. It simply doesn't work for the sport as a whole, although it obviously works really well for an extremely small number of people. DAZN had an interesting idea, but couldn't back it up with enough quality content.

The entire sport needs a re-think from top to bottom, which will never happen, so my interest will just continue to fade, I guess.

[steelcityjames]

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https://www.outkick.com/showtime-to-...ng-end-of-era/

No HBO Boxing, no Showtime Championship Boxing...the fights will be broadcast somewhere, but boxing's model just keeps getting worse and worse. It simply doesn't work for the sport as a whole, although it obviously works really well for an extremely small number of people. DAZN had an interesting idea, but couldn't back it up with enough quality content.

The entire sport needs a re-think from top to bottom, which will never happen, so my interest will just continue to fade, I guess.

My interest is at an all time low and it pains me to have to say it. I'll watch fights that are free on a regular cable network, but I'm done paying for streaming services and PPV cards. The greedy powers that be are the ones who drove and continue to drive fans away . Oh well, it is what it is...

[pietasterp]

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I'm with you, steelcityjames. I'm moving towards being "out" on boxing in general. And we are among the last of the die-hards!

Without significant changes, boxing is going to be right next to "cockfighting" in the hierarchy of sports.