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[pietasterp]

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Boxing may be the only sport that revels in it's own ineptitude more than the NHL.
They could put in changes to review fights with questionable endings.
That quick trigger by Weeks cost a 40-year old Barroso life changing opportunities.
This is a guy who likely has been working jobs while pursuing boxing. He could have cashed in on a title bout and rode into the sunset knowing he could take care of himself and his family for the rest of his life.
Weeks robbed him of that.

Agreed on all accounts. Boxing is the sewer of professional sports. It will never change and will therefore never be a mainstream draw ever again. A small number of people making all the money and controlling all the results will ensure that.

In some cases, these decisions just reek of corruption.
It's 2023. We can figure out a way to correct these terrible decisions.
But in boxing it's like these are features not bugs.

The issue is, as you point out, boxing doesn't want to change. It's perfectly happy living in its own little world of graft, and no one involved cares to do anything about it. The only question is why I continue to watch.

Haney vs Lomachenko - what are you early predictions?

I literally have no idea what direction this fight will go. Haney is younger, bigger, and talented. Loma has experience, footwork, and may slightly more power. To be frank, I am not sure what father time and the stress of the Ukraine war has taken out of Loma. If I am correct he didn't look good in his last bout and ya remember the Teofomo fight.

If I was betting - Haney by split decision in an ugly and clinch filled bout. I believe Haney will get the closer rounds with fast flurry's towards the end of each round.

I think Lomo is shot at this point? I dunno as I haven't seen him fight recently. I'm not overly excited by either guy at this point in their careers.

[Money99]

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Haney vs Lomachenko - what are you early predictions?

I literally have no idea what direction this fight will go. Haney is younger, bigger, and talented. Loma has experience, footwork, and may slightly more power. To be frank, I am not sure what father time and the stress of the Ukraine war has taken out of Loma. If I am correct he didn't look good in his last bout and ya remember the Teofomo fight.

If I was betting - Haney by split decision in an ugly and clinch filled bout. I believe Haney will get the closer rounds with fast flurry's towards the end of each round.

I see Haney winning in convincing fashion. I don't think Loma gets stopped and there's likely no knockdowns. But Haney is going to win at least 8 rounds.
A prime Loma wins easy, but he isn't his prime self anymore, I still think 135 is too heavy for him. But I give him credit for leaving his natural weight classes between 127-130 to pursue tough challenges.

As pietasterp said, I'm not really interested in this fight. But I'll probably be reading some live updates via CBS or Twitter.

[allBthere]

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Just saw on xbox marketplace a boxing manager game that looks quite detailed. The in-ring stuff looks horrible, but it has medical/financial/etc management systems that probably appeal to some guys out there. I may grab it at some point even though that's not really my cup of tea.

Haney v Loma?

I honestly have no clue. I think if Loma isn't old overnight that I doubt he consistently gets tagged with Jabs - and if that's the case...then what?

Haney has a great jab and holds - recently we've seen ref's allow dirty boxing in the clinch but I don't think Loma is that type of cat. So while he may allow Haney to hold him, I don't think he gets out-jabbed?

Also Haney being a student of the game may look at the Teo fight and go down to the body early - good strategy, but if he does that - he may get tagged...IT's not HIS thing to do that, so I'm just not sure what to expect.

I think for Loma to win he really has to HURT Haney - not sure if he can do that but I do expect us to find out since he will pop him a few times with that short straight left by creating some angles.

I think by round 4 we should all have a pretty good idea how the fight will go.

I'll 100% be tuning in - it's one of the year's biggest match-ups.

[Money99]

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This looks really promising!
World Championship Boxing Manager 2:

https://www.xbox.com/en-us/games/store/world-championship-boxing-manager-2/9MZBJ2SPW12X

An official sequel to 1991’s highly-applauded World Championship Boxing Manager™, this iteration captures the essence of the original and expands upon it. Offering updated visuals, deeper gameplay, and new characters that extend the World Championship Boxing Manager™ franchise, World Championship Boxing Manager ™ 2 provides fun for grizzled veterans and lightweight fans. Go toe to toe with fantasy characters, or take the main stage with historical boxing legends including Rocky Marciano™, Sugar Ray Robinson™, and more!

Define your boxing legacy

Build your fighters from the ground up and lead them to glory. Manage their training schedules, rest days, strength conditioning, and cardio sessions to create the best balance for your roster. Recruit promising amateurs, hire staff, advertise fights, and boost your boxers’ reputations. Keep your stable of fighters in top shape and they'll take you to the top —but mismanage them and you'll both be eating canvas!

I was already thinking of getting an X due to Starfield. This may help seal the deal.

[JayBee74]

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This looks really promising!
World Championship Boxing Manager 2:

https://www.xbox.com/en-us/games/store/world-championship-boxing-manager-2/9MZBJ2SPW12X

I was already thinking of getting an X due to Starfield. This may help seal the deal.

Too many business management angles for me (hire therapist, upgrade facility, get doctor) and the training of boxers to maximize their effectiveness come fight time is murky at best. A round "viewing" is condensed to 20 seconds and you can even speed that up 2X, 3X, or 4X. I put it on my 9.9 year old Xbox One and it has froze on me twice requiring an uninstall and reinstall each time. I'm done with it.

[Sausage]

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Haney vs Loma
10-9 R1 L
10-9 R2 L
10-9 R3 L
9-10 R4 H
9-10 R5 H
9-10 R6 H
10-9 R7 L
9-10 R8 H
10-9 R9 L
10-9 R10 L
10-9 R11 L
10-10 R12 E

7-4-1 L
116-113 Loma

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Thought for sure Loma had this.

[KG]

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Dave Moretti [emoji2363]

At the very LEAST that’s a draw but I thought Loma edged it


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[ojandpizza]

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Didn’t watch the fight but I’m see a LOT of “Loma got robbed” on the interwebs today. Thoughts from those who watched?

[allBthere]

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Didn’t watch the fight but I’m see a LOT of “Loma got robbed” on the interwebs today. Thoughts from those who watched?

Loma won.

I think from 2 points of view - 1st doesn't matter in the 10 point must system - but overall who landed the harder shots with more frequency that did more damage? 100% Loma and that's not even close actually. Plain and Simple, Loma did more damage to his opponent, I'm not even sure that's debatable. IN fact the other thing I noticed which is related is Loma for sure looked like the much better boxer in terms of skills and variety imo as well.

2nd - round by round - most of the people saying Haney won just gave him all of the early rounds but that doesn't really reflect what actually happened. Loma didn't start slow and tagged Haney as early as the 2nd round w/ big shots. There were many rounds where Haney landed 1 or 2 good body shots and loma got 2 or 3 good headshots - to me headshots > than bodyshots when I'm scoring - body work is generally great strategically, but doesn't normally win you a fight.

Of Haney's landed punches (110 I think?) 40 were body shots to Loma's 125 landed where only 9 were body shots.

So the one thing I'll say is consistenty throughout the fight you saw haney's head SNAP back after getting popped. Haney only landed 2-3 really good headshots on Loma but in that departement of REALLY GOOD headshots the fight wasn't close.

Round by Round though, it would have been close. Compubox had Loma out-landing Haney but it might have been more rounds for haney and 2 or 3 even # landed - but remember if Haney landed 11 shots and Loma 9 in a given round - 5 would have been body shots to Loma's 1 or none - so again in a round like that you'd either have a tough time picking the winner and maybe go to ring control - to me though watching really hard clean shots snap the opponents head back makes me choose in favour of that.

For me I felt the true score should have been 115-113 for Loma and that's what I thought was going to happened hearing the scores being read by the announcer.

I've attached the compubox, pay special attention to the body landed both total and power punches - it means Haney landed 40 total power headshots to Loma's 85! I don't know how you can give the fight to someone looking at this.

[allBthere]

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better look here

[KG]

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Didn’t watch the fight but I’m see a LOT of “Loma got robbed” on the interwebs today. Thoughts from those who watched?

I wouldn’t say he got “robbed” because it was a very close fight but I agree with allbethere in that I thought it was very close with Loma slightly edging it for the better shots. A lot of folks fall into Loma’s past of starting slow but he didn’t in this fight. He came out aggressively for his standards but Haney was good early on too, especially with his body shots. Loma didn’t really work the body because Haney had his hands low which let Loma hit him with straight left after straight left snappy Haney’s head back numerous times and had him stunned in the latter rounds.

I’m not a huge Haney fan, his power is blah which sucks because he does have a lot of snap on his punches but those body shots impacted Loma late, especially the 12th where he kinda gassed out. Maybe the layoff hurt his conditioning too but had Loma won the 12th he would have been even on 2 cards but still lost because Moretti is a bum.

I personally would rather see Shakur-Haney next but idk if Devin wants those problems even with Stevenson being the smaller guy.


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[JayBee74]

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Loma won.
.

Good analysis although I didn’t see the fight. I saw the bout mentioned in this thread but I assumed it was later. Was this on ESPN+? I’m not crazy about Haney.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Stevenson would dog walk the **** outta Haney, KG [emoji23]

[KG]

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Stevenson would dog walk the **** outta Haney, KG [emoji23]

And I’m here for all of that Pack [emoji23]


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