EA producers and community Administrators, "Metacritic scores hold weight"

[aholbert32]

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Creed theme fight night would be nice. I would actually be interested in the storyline mode.


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There have been multiple Rocky based video games and all of the some sold poorly.

[aholbert32]

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true.....not only that, many movies are made about boxing too. creed 2 is coming out sometime soon as well. how many movies have been made about mixed martial arts? they can make ufc 3, 4 etc. but they will never get a higher score than fight night, boxing is just more enjoyable and easier to play, that's the truth.

For you.

Game companies care more about sales than metacritic scores. I'm not saying EA doesnt care if its game isnt highly rated. They do. But thats only because those scores can affect sales.

There have been a few MMA based movies and tv shows (Warrior, Kingdom etc.). Thats pretty good for a sport thats only been popular for less than 20 yrs.

One other thing: Lets not act like an MMA game can never outsell a boxing game. UFC 2009 sold 700k more than FN4 in the same year. It sold more than a million more than FNC.

Undisputed 2010 sold more than 700k more than FNC. UFC Undisputed 3 sold more than FNC.

The reason the EA UFC games sales have been lower for EA is two fold. 1) UFC 1 was a legitimately poor game and UFC2 (while an improvement) wasnt a big enough leap. 2) MMA popularity has taken a slight dip since the Chuck/Lesnar/Silva/GSP days.

Even with that said, UFC2's sales are barely behind FNC when it comes to physical sales and likely more than FNCs when you count digital sales.

So lets stop with metacritic scores as reasons why EA should dump the UFC and go back to boxing. The sales dont back that up. EA is selling practically the same amount of games of UFC 2 as it did FNC and paying less to produce it. Its that simple.

[pk500]

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Does a current boxer being on he cover matter? it didn't before in the history of boxing games...

Really? What was arguably the most beloved and popular boxing game in history? Mike Tyson's Punch-Out. Tyson was on the cover.

Fight Night Champion was the ONLY installment of that five-game series with a fictitious boxer on the cover.

1 - Roy Jones Jr.
2 - Bernard Hopkins
3 - Oscar de la Hoya
4 - Muhammad Ali, Mike Tyson
5 - Fictitious boxer

So your claim that boxing games haven't needed real boxers on the cover is folly.

[pk500]

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Also how many classic boxers could sell a game right now other than Tyson?

Maybe Ali. That's it.

[Jukeman]

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There have been multiple Rocky based video games and all of the some sold poorly.

Those games sucked...Also the Creed game that was somewhat ok was a mobile game. Not to mention the Rocky games were years later when the bad movies were coming out and a new generation of children were playing games.


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[Jukeman]

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They could go with a classic boxer again but when you are trying to sell to a 18-36 market, its probably good to go with a boxer they have seen. Shoot most 36 year olds only remember the post jail Tyson. I've always thought the best approach would be to open the vault for Floyd but thats risky because of how much he would demand.



Also how many classic boxers could sell a game right now other than Tyson?

A mixed of modern and classic fighters would be fine. The idea of someone needing to be a cover athlete is a gimmick EA came up with so they are shooting their self in the foot needing to overpay for licenses. All boxing fans want is a great boxing game that is customizable.

The game would do fine if both Canelo and GGG were on the cover together especially if the game was pushed with the hype of the fight.


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[Jukeman]

EA producers and community Administrators, "Metacritic scores hold weight"

Really? What was arguably the most beloved and popular boxing game in history? Mike Tyson's Punch-Out. Tyson was on the cover.

Fight Night Champion was the ONLY installment of that five-game series with a fictitious boxer on the cover.

1 - Roy Jones Jr.
2 - Bernard Hopkins
3 - Oscar de la Hoya
4 - Muhammad Ali, Mike Tyson
5 - Fictitious boxer

So your claim that boxing games haven't needed real boxers on the cover is folly.

EA had plenty of other boxing games before the Fight Night moniker. For that 5, 3 Of them were current fighters...Up until the fight night games, modern boxers in games were unheard of...And Punch Out? Really???? Let’s also ignore that there was a Mike Tyson version to the original.

Point is, FNC sold well for it to not have a real cover athlete...


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[SHAKYR]

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Tyson and Ali are also on the cover. Also FNC sold almost a million copies less than FN4. I'm not saying that having a fictional boxer was the sole reason for it selling less...but it didnt help.

You are arguing a point that no one is making again. No one said that people over 40 dont want a boxing game. What I'm saying is that gaming companies tend to focus on the 18-36 age range and other than Floyd and Manny there arent any fighters that could carry a cover. That range also has no connection to the Ali and Frazier and barely one to Tyson

EA problem has always been they seem to make games for 12-22 year olds. I discussed this numerous times especially when they love to call their games realistic to the sport.
If they did a survey to see the age group on this forum. It would be more adults than teenagers. Operation Sports has shown videogame companies that they older sports fans make a difference in their sales.

[pk500]

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EA had plenty of other boxing games before the Fight Night moniker. For that 5, 3 Of them were current fighters...Up until the fight night games, modern boxers in games were unheard of...And Punch Out? Really???? Let’s also ignore that there was a Mike Tyson version to the original.

Point is, FNC sold well for it to not have a real cover athlete...


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Knockout Kings had real boxers on the cover for all five installments, with cover athletes varying by region:

First: De La Hoya
2000: Ali
2001: De La Hoya, Mosley, Lewis
2002: Ali, W. Klitschko
2003: Lewis

Your original post stated many boxing games didn't have real boxers as cover athletes. Considering EA titles have comprised most of the boxing games of the last 15+ years, that's false.

Sure, there were cartoonish, arcade boxing games without real athletes on the cover. But just about every console sim attempt at the sport has featured a real fighter on the cover.

As for Punch-Out, ask nearly all longtime gamers who aren't boxing fanatics to name their favorite boxing game, and Mike Tyson's Punch-Out tops many lists. Glass Joe! Bald Bull!

[Jukeman]

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Knockout Kings had real boxers on the cover for all five installments, with cover athletes varying by region:



First: De La Hoya

2000: Ali

2001: De La Hoya, Mosley, Lewis

2002: Ali, W. Klitschko

2003: Lewis



Your original post stated many boxing games didn't have real boxers as cover athletes. Considering EA titles have comprised most of the boxing games of the last 15+ years, that's false.



Sure, there were cartoonish, arcade boxing games without real athletes on the cover. But just about every console sim attempt at the sport has featured a real fighter on the cover.



As for Punch-Out, ask nearly all longtime gamers who aren't boxing fanatics to name their favorite boxing game, and Mike Tyson's Punch-Out tops many lists. Glass Joe! Bald Bull!

American versions

De La Hoya was on the first one in 98

Ali was the cover in 2000 and 2002

Two athletes shared the cover in 2001

And Lennox in 2003

2 out of the 3 years there was a featured cover athlete. That’s about 5-6 overall if you also include the American fight night games.

I also didn’t say it didn’t happen, but it didn’t matter...

People weren’t buying those games because De La Hoya or Lennox Lewis was on the cover, if anything they wanted to play with Ali...


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[pk500]

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People weren’t buying those games because De La Hoya or Lennox Lewis was on the cover, if anything they wanted to play with Ali...

So then why does EA Sports continue to place NFL players on the Madden cover? Why doesn't EA continue to put Madden on the cover, as it did for a long time in that franchise?

[SHAKYR]

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So then why does EA Sports continue to place NFL players on the Madden cover? Why doesn't EA continue to put Madden on the cover, as it did for a long time in that franchise?

This is a loaded question because the "hardcore" football fans are very vocal about how authentic they want their game including the want for real athletes representation.

I know for a fact when I was EA Community Leader for Fight Night Round 4 they never really focused on the true boxing fans when making their boxing videogames.

[kehlis]

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It's not loaded at all.

EA uses their cover athlete for Madden as a marketing tool because that's what the mass market wants. They can profit off of the exposure.

You simply can't get the same response to the degree they get from the NFL from either boxing or the mma.

[pk500]

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I know for a fact when I was EA Community Leader for Fight Night Round 4 they never really focused on the true boxing fans when making their boxing videogames.

That's because there's not enough of us -- especially in the U.S. -- to justify the expense of development and licensing, so EA needed to cast a wider net.

This is the EXACT point aholbert32 and I have tried to make all along in this discussion.

[pk500]

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It's not loaded at all.

EA uses their cover athlete for Madden as a marketing tool because that's what the mass market wants. They can profit off of the exposure.

You simply can't get the same response to the degree they get from the NFL from either boxing or the mma.

Fight Night Champion may be the ONLY EA Sports game of the last five years to feature a fictitious athlete on the cover. Every other EA Sports game has featured a real player.