New Stamina Updates Video

[Player2793]

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Maybe its just me, but I feel this adds to body shot spam being the most effective way of striking. I felt it was already extremely dominant in the beta as people could trade getting rocked for huge damage to your stamina, and eventually just finish you off by the 2nd or 3rd round. I think this change makes it even harsher to deal with.

[Trillz]

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Maybe its just me, but I feel this adds to body shot spam being the most effective way of striking. I felt it was already extremely dominant in the beta as people could trade getting rocked for huge damage to your stamina, and eventually just finish you off by the 2nd or 3rd round. I think this change makes it even harsher to deal with.

I agree but it will force people to block their body more now, which will open up more strikes to the head. It will make striking even more challening. However we will see how the game pans out and what becomes OP.

[tissues250]

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There are important things left which is needs to be tweaked than ragdolls. I hope that today video is going to be about the Clinch or takedown... Another standing issue would be cool.

[tissues250]

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Maybe its just me, but I feel this adds to body shot spam being the most effective way of striking. I felt it was already extremely dominant in the beta as people could trade getting rocked for huge damage to your stamina, and eventually just finish you off by the 2nd or 3rd round. I think this change makes it even harsher to deal with.

I dont agree bidy shot is not OP because it was not severe damage compared with a leg kick. We have a problem with unresponsive body block, not a body kick. It was too slow in the beta.

[Trillz]

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I dont agree bidy shot is not OP because it was not severe damage compared with a leg kick. We have a problem with unresponsive body block, not a body kick. It was too slow in the beta.

I think he means the stamina drain from body shots, the damge wasnt that great for body in the beta but i think they did that on purpose so the drain is better.

[tissues250]

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I think he means the stamina drain from body shots, the damge wasnt that great for body in the beta but i think they did that on purpose so the drain is better.

Oh sorry. I agree about stamina issue but it was fun to me.

[AeroZeppelin27]

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Maybe its just me, but I feel this adds to body shot spam being the most effective way of striking. I felt it was already extremely dominant in the beta as people could trade getting rocked for huge damage to your stamina, and eventually just finish you off by the 2nd or 3rd round. I think this change makes it even harsher to deal with.

I personally found body strikes to be very easy to counter if the opponent over relied on them, If they're coming in with the 1b-2b and uppercut will stop them utterly dead.
A body kick can go to the head of a opponent ducking in for a body shot.

I understand where you are coming from, but I think with the fix on block timing (jab-body kick won't be unblockable in retail I'm pretty sure.
I personally got one body strike KO in the entire beta (against a guy I'm pretty sure was completely new) and wasn't stopped by them.

It all fits into the risk reward system for me. If someone is using repetitive patterns they shouldn't be too hard to deal with IMO.

I do get your concern though. And it is valid, I don't think its gonna be a major issue myself, but we don't know until the game comes out.

Edit: if you having trouble with body strikes when retail drops. Try to land some body shots on the Pro/Legendary AI, they counter the HELL out of body shots. Certainly taught ne a trick or two.

[melo627]

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@tissues they're not going to be able to make a new animation for the clinch with a month to release you can forget about that

[Player2793]

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I personally found body strikes to be very easy to counter if the opponent over relied on them, If they're coming in with the 1b-2b and uppercut will stop them utterly dead.
A body kick can go to the head of a opponent ducking in for a body shot.

I understand where you are coming from, but I think with the fix on block timing (jab-body kick won't be unblockable in retail I'm pretty sure.
I personally got one body strike KO in the entire beta (against a guy I'm pretty sure was completely new) and wasn't stopped by them.

It all fits into the risk reward system for me. If someone is using repetitive patterns they shouldn't be too hard to deal with IMO.

I do get your concern though. And it is valid, I don't think its gonna be a major issue myself, but we don't know until the game comes out.

Edit: if you having trouble with body strikes when retail drops. Try to land some body shots on the Pro/Legendary AI, they counter the HELL out of body shots. Certainly taught ne a trick or two.

You can definitely catch people who spam the body shots, predict them and catch them with uppercuts after the first shot lands, but I think as a strategy its far too rewarding.

If someone can survive getting rocked for a round, while they've only been body shotting - or just setting up good body shots, you'll be down a significant amount of stamina compared to them. If they rock you, they can then go to town with body hooks and crush your stamina.

I appreciate the beta was new, and most strategies can take months to develop, and ontop of that EA has been really good at tackling these gameplay issues, but I still think it will become more problematic after this.

[TheGentlemanGhost]

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Maybe its just me, but I feel this adds to body shot spam being the most effective way of striking. I felt it was already extremely dominant in the beta as people could trade getting rocked for huge damage to your stamina, and eventually just finish you off by the 2nd or 3rd round. I think this change makes it even harsher to deal with.

Body shot spam isn't that easy. Catch kicks are pretty easy to do and the body punches are kinda slow.

But GPD originally said they might need body striked a little prior to the stamina change, but I'm not sure if they went thru with it. But from what I played in the beta, body spamming wasn't really convenient. Predictable opponents in general weren't very hard to punish thanks to vulnerability.

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[UpTehCooch]

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The other part we're currently play testing is toning down some of the stamina advantages guys like Diaz have to make them less OP, without losing that feeling that the stamina ratings matter.

I think what you see in the video, along with these changes will put things in a really good place.

Throwing shots in general should deplete stamina. Even if the shot lands, it should deplete it. Too many times in the 5th round, I have had almost full stamina which should never be the case.

Knee's in the clinch should deplete stamina as well.

[Trillz]

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Its true technically there is no difference from missing a strike and landing a strike irl. You will get gassed the same way, but in terms of gaming balancing it makes sense but the concept isnt true.

[RetractedMonkey]

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Its true technically there is no difference from missing a strike and landing a strike irl. You will get gassed the same way, but in terms of gaming balancing it makes sense but the concept isnt true.

Absolutely not. Hitting air is significantly more tiring than making good contact with the opponent, any real fighter will tell you this.

[Trillz]

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Absolutely not. Hitting air is significantly more tiring than making good contact with the opponent, any real fighter will tell you this.

Hhhmmm, you may be right but ive seen alot of fighters punch themselves out for trying to finish the fight and they connect on most punches. So what if the opponent blocks the punch you telling me it wont draiin the same as missing a punch.

Maybe the type of strike will depends on the drain. Will hitting a bodybag drain more stamina then pretending to hit a bodybag with the same velocity?

[iHazCode]

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Definitely agree, I fought for 12 years and I can definitely confirm. Wiffs will exhaust you way more than a solid connection.

As for folks concerned about body strikes being OP, I'm sure they will work it out. However some techniques are inherently "OP" in real life, however people tend to evolve strategies to overcome. Nerfing things in the sense that typical games do will only damage the product in my opinion, because you're slowly diluting everything down until each technique is so Charmin soft you may as be fighting with pillows on your hands/feet.

On obvious strategy for a body spammer than comes to mind would be to defend the body until they tire out. With this new stamina system, it would appear they will be much more vulnerable once they do so (as should be).