Is ranked still gonna be blind pick?

[DaisukEasy]

Re: Is ranked still gonna be blind pick?

If you run out of time, it's not an endless shuffle.

I hope you were trying to be funny and didn't actually miss my point.. Hard to judge on a forum..lol

You will see more of the roster getting used this way. No fear of picking a bad fighter if you see you are not up against Jones, DJ, etc.

You could easily fix that by doing actual matchmaking.

Separate fighters into three tiers based on ratings and make it so that you get matched with fighters from the same tier as your fighter. While adding the option to turn off this filter for the masochists among us.

It's the same thing FIFA does. No need to see your opponents pick beforehand.

[tissues250]

Re: Is ranked still gonna be blind pick?

mirror match is the worst. Its really boring. so i am not a fan of hidden selection.

[Solid_Altair]

Re: Is ranked still gonna be blind pick?

That might happen in divisons with not much fighters however is the 2nd most op character like flyweight going to be any different than the other top guys in the divison??? Really just DJ is the top dog in flyweight, i bet you cant even say who the 2nd best guy in flyweight is right now because they are all mostly even after DJ.

Also in stacked divisons it wont matter as much as there will be many top fighters. e.g. lightweight has khabib, ferguson,conor,barboza, diaz banning one of those and there are still many options.

Tbh i think this is the best way to go forward!

The roster is indeed far more balanced, now, in some divisions, more than others (some have more fighters at the top). DJ at FlyW is the only god tier.

Yall saw how Conor wasn't OP in the beta. You can expect a similar treatment o fthe other champions and JBJ (except DJ).

Having said that, Double Confirmation would still help with those who want to use fighters who aren't at the top or even near it. It worked wonders in the beta. Some would say that it worked because it was unranked, bumy bet is that it wasn't just because of that. I think DC would make a huge difference to fighter variety and that this would be more precious than ever, consider how the fighters finally feel much like themselves and are worth picking.

Hopefully blind pick. I hate having people leave the game in unranked.

I hope you were trying to be funny and didn't actually miss my point.. Hard to judge on a forum..lol



You could easily fix that by doing actual matchmaking.

Separate fighters into three tiers based on ratings and make it so that you get matched with fighters from the same tier as your fighter. While adding the option to turn off this filter for the masochists among us.

It's the same thing FIFA does. No need to see your opponents pick beforehand.

That would split the playerbase. It could also result in huge waiting times if you want it to be perfect. And if it's not perfect, than DC would still be better at that. Seriously, you'd likely have less waiting and more fairness with DC. And DC also offers the option of handicapping yourself a little bit. Some of us could lay the beta a lot and played UFC 2, as well. We could likely be fine picking weaker fighters' than the opponent, in the early weeks after launch. Once we reach a high ranked, that would become less viable, though. But even so, the early benefit would still be appreciated.

[mitchellCFC96]

Re: Is ranked still gonna be blind pick?

You mean like when someone leaves the game in the 1st round before you even throw a punch?


I suggest the following changes.

Online championship

> Pick a fighter

> Search for a fight

> Tale of the tape

By picking a fighter before searching, devs could add the option to filter out people who are using the same fighter. Though this would lower the pool of potential opponents and might result into a longer searches, it solves everything.

I like this idea. I have no problem to wait a little bit longer to matchup against someone who is picking a fighter with similiar ratings. I hate it when you for example need to pick someone else than Lawler at welterweight because you always have a mirror match.

I also don't mind if the matchup system in ranked would be the same as unranked. I am ok with seeing my opponent choose the most skillfull fighter in the division. I will find a way to matchup good against him.

[Find_the_Door]

Re: Is ranked still gonna be blind pick?

Don't like any suggestion that doesn't allow me to use Big Nog on a repeat basis. I have no problem dispatching Jones, Cain, Werdum, Stipe.

[Supreme_Bananas]

Re: Is ranked still gonna be blind pick?

Both players cannot have this advantage so to keep things fair, blind picks are the way to go. Just pick who suits you best for your own reasons.

If you don't, you encourage an endless shuffle of trying to counter-pick your opponent until you both run out of time and end up with random characters.

You said yourself the roster is far more balanced, so the counterpicking problem is really overblown if you ask me.

Having said that, Double Confirmation would still help with those who want to use fighters who aren't at the top or even near it. It worked wonders in the beta. Some would say that it worked because it was unranked, bumy bet is that it wasn't just because of that. I think DC would make a huge difference to fighter variety and that this would be more precious than ever, consider how the fighters finally feel much like themselves and are worth picking.

I agree, it would be cool that way in order to make a good stylistic matchup

That would split the playerbase. It could also result in huge waiting times if you want it to be perfect. And if it's not perfect, than DC would still be better at that. Seriously, you'd likely have less waiting and more fairness with DC. And DC also offers the option of handicapping yourself a little bit. Some of us could lay the beta a lot and played UFC 2, as well. We could likely be fine picking weaker fighters' than the opponent, in the early weeks after launch. Once we reach a high ranked, that would become less viable, though. But even so, the early benefit would still be appreciated.

Exactly, it would be cool to see how far I'd be able to go if I picked Barry against Cain. With that said, I wouldn't want to do this every fight. Even though the fighters are much more balanced, you can bet that the type of players that only play to win will still pick DJ at FlyW 100% of the time, especially with blind pick "just to be safe". It'ss still make people reluctant to pick for example Scoggins

[Lurch]

Re: Is ranked still gonna be blind pick?

I wonder is the match making going to be good?

[Boiler569]

Re: Is ranked still gonna be blind pick?

I personally prefer blind pick --- both the person I'm fighting against (i.e. PSN) as well as what fighter they choose.

That said --- once we are locked and loaded --- I'd really like for the person's PSN, Record, and Rank to show-up during Tale of the Tape.

So you know just who you're dealing with

But if you back-out at that point, even if fight hadn't started yet, you recieve automatic DQ

I think this is best of both worlds. You can't duck people, but you also get to see who you're fighting/their rank/record before you get into the Octagon.

For those who are worried about always fighting JBJ or DJ/etc. --- and want to be able to see who you fight against before you lock-in --- check out my Leaderboard thread I just created.

Someone picking a high-stat fighter -relative to opponent - ought to be penalized; and vice versa for someone picking a low-stat opponent. I think that's a much better way of handling all this as opposed to revealing opponent & their pick before locking-in

https://forums.operationsports.com/f...derboards.html

[Acebaldwin]

Re: Is ranked still gonna be blind pick?

I personally prefer blind pick --- both the person I'm fighting against (i.e. PSN) as well as what fighter they choose.

That said --- once we are locked and loaded --- I'd really like for the person's PSN, Record, and Rank to show-up during Tale of the Tape.

So you know just who you're dealing with

But if you back-out at that point, even if fight hadn't started yet, you recieve automatic DQ

I think this is best of both worlds. You can't duck people, but you also get to see who you're fighting/their rank/record before you get into the Octagon.

For those who are worried about always fighting JBJ or DJ/etc. --- and want to be able to see who you fight against before you lock-in --- check out my Leaderboard thread I just created.

Someone picking a high-stat fighter -relative to opponent - ought to be penalized; and vice versa for someone picking a low-stat opponent. I think that's a much better way of handling all this as opposed to revealing opponent & their pick before locking-in

https://forums.operationsports.com/f...derboards.html

I agree it would definitely be wiser to do it this way. Has any devs considered doing it this year or talked about it on the forums recently?

I'd go for blind picks any day of the week over seeing what my opponents chooses. I don't care if they are that desperate for a win that they'd want to go solely for the OP fighters, nor would I want for people to end up always changing their fighters to counter every pick I choose. I know I would, or would want to recreate epic fights that happened recently or in the past. As another member said, it can only be fair towards one player if they truely want to win, so might as well go blind with the picks.

You all complaining about it should play quick matches where it's possible to see your opponent's pick. Get used to the stats of the fighters, have a gameplan towards them, and have in mind what works best towards those fighters when you come to fight them in ranked.

For exemple whether you choose Conor Mcgregor or Olivier Aubin-Mercier, and your opponent chooses Nate Diaz, you know he's got lanky thin legs that has trouble checking. It's a weakness. You also know he's had trouble in the past against wrestlers that can negate his BJJ, so if you got Conor, your gameplan would be to go for them legs like in their second fight which opened up his striking even more than in their first fight. While with Aubin-Mercier you'd put it all in with getting him down and staying there hoping for the best. lol

Solid_Altair again with wanting to see all the info possible! I would have known even without having read your post.

No hidden meters, no hidden picks. Next thing it'll be a summary of how your opponent generally plays with his chosen fighter before the fight starts. It'll be like we're automatic systems that knows everything possible about our opponents without giving it a single thought.

[Coolade]

Re: Is ranked still gonna be blind pick?

Call me a crazy but would a point budget system work for ranked fights? So say for instance every 10 fights you have a 100 point budget. Picking jon jones uses 30 points, but picking shogun would only cost you 10 etc. That way you're guaranteed to face a variety of fighters even with a blind pick system.

[Acebaldwin]

Re: Is ranked still gonna be blind pick?

Call me a crazy but would a point budget system work for ranked fights? So say for instance every 10 fights you have a 100 point budget. Picking jon jones uses 30 points, but picking shogun would only cost you 10 etc. That way you're guaranteed to face a variety of fighters even with a blind pick system.

What happens when you're out of points? You can't play rank anymore? Nah, anything that puts a fight limit as to how many you can have in a day or whatever is bound to fail.

[Solid_Altair]

Re: Is ranked still gonna be blind pick?

Solid_Altair again with wanting to see all the info possible! I would have known even without having read your post.

No hidden meters, no hidden picks. Next thing it'll be a summary of how your opponent generally plays with his chosen fighter before the fight starts. It'll be like we're automatic systems that knows everything possible about our opponents without giving it a single thought.

Funny thing is I suggest this years ago. Kind of a keys to victory thingy. It's not so weird. UD had it, but it wasn't done well.

I actually think the ideal would be to show the opponnet's (fighter) tier, so you can pick accordingly. And having the option to reveal the specific fighter you're choosing, in case you want to be a gentleman and try to avoid mirror matches. I'm OK with th eoption to hide the specific pick, for those who think counterpicking is much of a thing (I don't think it is). Anyways... this would only work if the tiers would become more official. We're not quite there, yet. So, my position for now is a classic DC (that doesn't allow people to back out and has a timer, obviously).

Call me a crazy but would a point budget system work for ranked fights? So say for instance every 10 fights you have a 100 point budget. Picking jon jones uses 30 points, but picking shogun would only cost you 10 etc. That way you're guaranteed to face a variety of fighters even with a blind pick system.

OK. You're cray cray

[DaisukEasy]

Re: Is ranked still gonna be blind pick?

That would split the playerbase.

Not necessarily.

It could also result in huge waiting times if you want it to be perfect.

Again, not really. Potentially slightly longer waiting times if you use the optional filter. But honestly, the difference in waiting times should be negligible if the player base is large enough.

As a concept I said three tiers, but that's not entirely what I meant. There shouldn't be predetermined rigid tiers at all.

What the filter should do is the following:

You're using an overall 88 fighter and start searching for a match.

Algorithm initially searches for opponents ranging from 87-89.
Can't find any after x amount of seconds. Do you want to widen the search range? Y/N? Yes.
Searches from 86 to 90
Can't find any after x amount of seconds. Do you want to widen the search range? Y/N? Yes.
Ranges from 85 to 91

It allows players to enjoy the game and be competitive with all fighters, rather than being forced into a match that's borderline unwinnable.

Without the filter you're all in one big pool matched with the first person available in your division with a decent connection.

The only people who'd have an incentive to use the filter would be people who're using an overall lower fighter. If you want to use a lower level fighter and fight someone using Jon Jones, turn the filter off. I'm sure you'll run into them more than not.

I don't see the downsides really..

And if it's not perfect, than DC would still be better at that. Seriously, you'd likely have less waiting and more fairness with DC. And DC also offers the option of handicapping yourself a little bit. Some of us could lay the beta a lot and played UFC 2, as well. We could likely be fine picking weaker fighters' than the opponent, in the early weeks after launch. Once we reach a high ranked, that would become less viable, though. But even so, the early benefit would still be appreciated.

I honestly don't understand the point you're trying to make.

[Supreme_Bananas]

Re: Is ranked still gonna be blind pick?

You're using an overall 88 fighter and start searching for a match.

But they've done away with overalls, and apparently even the same stat rating can mean big differences still

[DaisukEasy]

Re: Is ranked still gonna be blind pick?

But they've done away with overalls, and apparently even the same stat rating can mean big differences still

Max Holloway
Striking 93
Grappling 88
Stamina 91
Health 93

The average of these is 91,25. That could be the number for the algorithm. On top of that, they'd need to take cards and what not into account.

The point is that some fighters are objectively better than others. It's possible to express the difference in a numerical value. That's all you need to make these types of searches work.