EA UFC Stat Change Request Discussion Thread

[Serengeti1]

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Ducking? I dont do movesets. Post it in the thread and the devs will see it.

I have. I asked GPD in the live tuner thread too but he ducked the question (or didn't see it idk lol). Changes were made but not to the straight punch animations. I hope to god it doesn't stay like that because it's not deemed important enough when it's an easy fix.

[SMOKEZERO]

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The Alvarez fight can legitimately be looked at as unfortunate for RDA. But it would be speculation. The rest of what you're talking about is speculation too. You can make excuses for any fighter's loss. The excuse for the Khabib loss is particularly naive. He was on a 5 fight win streak when he lost to him.

The performances he had in those fights is pretty much all we can look at. Otherwise things get silly. The idea that Cain would beat Werdum at sea level is another one. The idea that GSP only gassed because of carrying extra weight or because he was ill is more speculation. We can't make decisions based on things like that.

Then why are you insistent on penalizing a fighter for 3 performances out of 24 in the UFC. After Khabib he won 5 more and was the champ against guys that have better stats. Lost 2, went up a weight and completely washed Lawler over 5 and is sitting as the number 1 contender at WW now. You know, khabib pulled out 3 days before the tony fight and that isn't reflected here... but in reality it's a loss. Dude didn't make it to the cage. Is that all speculation too? No, it happened


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[Nugget7211]

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Ok lets slow down. He wasnt a dominant champion at LW. He beat Pettis and Cerrone. He was then KO'd by Eddie and lost convincingly to Tony. People also seem to forget that he was dominated by Khabib. Thats 3 of the top 4 LWs right there.

At WW, keep in mind that when the ratings were finalized it was before the Lawler fight. With that said, I dont know want to completely overreact to the Lawler fight given that Robbie hasnt looked great in his last 3 fights.

I think he needs a buff but its not an easy one. I think he is arguably a better LW than a WW but he is also maybe the 5th best LW currently while he is probably the 3rd or 4th best WW so he needs to be rated accordingly.

I'm loving all of the input guys keep it coming.

He was incredibly competitive with Ferguson though, like you can make an argument he won that fight, not a good one but you can do it and it's not insane (he was also eye poked really badly early in the second round when the momentum started to swing but whatever.)

RDA's striking stats are mostly fine, his switch stat really ****s his overall because it's the minimum of 80, it's his grappling, stamina and health that I think have been done a disservice.

The only person RDA has fought since 2011 who was better than him in the grappling (there was little to no grappling in the ferguson or alvarez fights to be fair) was Khabib. He has beaten every single other fighter he's fought in the grappling exchanges. Like, why is Nate Diaz 4 points better than RDA on top? Why is Eddie Alvarez 5 points better? Why is Evan Dunham better on top? Jake Matthews has a better top game than RDA at lightweight. Like, even when he was half unconscious he got side control on Eddie Alvarez and held it for a few seconds.

Onto his stamina now, he fights at a consistently high pace, not dissimilar to Eddie Alvarez's pace in all but the Gaethje fight, yet all his stamina stats are lower than Eddie's. He has 2 points less striking stamina, 5 points less grappling stamina which is insane since RDA is much more of a grappler than Eddie generally and 6 points less endurance. I don't understand why RDA isn't getting credit for the pace he pushes in his fights tbh and this is probably the biggest issue with his stats.

Now, onto his health. His body and leg health is fine. It's his chin and heart that I feel are too low. He has 1 point less chin than Barboza and 3 points less heart than him. While Barboza has been knocked out one less time than RDA, RDA's 2 knockout losses are 8 years apart and the first was the best punch Jeremy Stephens has ever landed and the second was the best punch Eddie Alvarez has ever landed and it didn't put him out or even down. Barboza also gets hurts far more often, Cowboy dropped him with a jab whereas RDA ate high kicks and flying knees from Anthony Pettis without even wobbling. RDA should be around 90-91 in chin and similar in heart in my opinion.

The reason I'm focusing so much on RDA is I feel like his stats being off make it quite difficult to use him the way RDA fights. You can't push his kind of pace because his cardio can't support it, nor can his chin and you can't grapple as dominantly as you should be able to with him. RDA was the 4th ranked Lightweight when he left the division and he's currently the 2nd ranked Welterweight in the world and I don't think his stats accurately reflect just how good of a fighter he is.

[Serengeti1]

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Then why are you insistent on penalizing a fighter for 3 performances out of 24 in the UFC. After Khabib he won 5 more and was the champ against guys that have better stats. Lost 2, went up a weight and completely washed Lawler over 5 and is sitting as the number 1 contender at WW now. You know, khabib pulled out 3 days before the tony fight and that isn't reflected here... but in reality it's a loss. Dude didn't make it to the cage. Is that all speculation too? No, it happened


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ummm.....


As far as RDA... I think he needs to be buffed too... just not for the reasons you stated.

[SMOKEZERO]

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ummm.....





As far as RDA... I think he needs to be buffed too... just not for the reasons you stated.

No, nugget has the reasons covered. I just posted hardcore insight.


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[Dave_S]

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That would make him the 5th best LW because Conor is the champ.

Conor is retired yo. That's a big part of the reason why the intro looking like "EA presents "Conor McGregor, the game" is so funny.

I really don't care if he's considered the 10th best lightweight in the world. Was just saying.

[Serengeti1]

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No, nugget has the reasons covered. I just posted hardcore insight.


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Yoo... ur a troll right? Hardcore insight is that khabib lost a fight because he pulled out? Does that mean we lower stats when someone gets injured? 😂

[Serengeti1]

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He was incredibly competitive with Ferguson though, like you can make an argument he won that fight, not a good one but you can do it and it's not insane (he was also eye poked really badly early in the second round when the momentum started to swing but whatever.)

RDA's striking stats are mostly fine, his switch stat really ****s his overall because it's the minimum of 80, it's his grappling, stamina and health that I think have been done a disservice.

The only person RDA has fought since 2011 who was better than him in the grappling (there was little to no grappling in the ferguson or alvarez fights to be fair) was Khabib. He has beaten every single other fighter he's fought in the grappling exchanges. Like, why is Nate Diaz 4 points better than RDA on top? Why is Eddie Alvarez 5 points better? Why is Evan Dunham better on top? Jake Matthews has a better top game than RDA at lightweight. Like, even when he was half unconscious he got side control on Eddie Alvarez and held it for a few seconds.

Onto his stamina now, he fights at a consistently high pace, not dissimilar to Eddie Alvarez's pace in all but the Gaethje fight, yet all his stamina stats are lower than Eddie's. He has 2 points less striking stamina, 5 points less grappling stamina which is insane since RDA is much more of a grappler than Eddie generally and 6 points less endurance. I don't understand why RDA isn't getting credit for the pace he pushes in his fights tbh and this is probably the biggest issue with his stats.

Now, onto his health. His body and leg health is fine. It's his chin and heart that I feel are too low. He has 1 point less chin than Barboza and 3 points less heart than him. While Barboza has been knocked out one less time than RDA, RDA's 2 knockout losses are 8 years apart and the first was the best punch Jeremy Stephens has ever landed and the second was the best punch Eddie Alvarez has ever landed and it didn't put him out or even down. Barboza also gets hurts far more often, Cowboy dropped him with a jab whereas RDA ate high kicks and flying knees from Anthony Pettis without even wobbling. RDA should be around 90-91 in chin and similar in heart in my opinion.

The reason I'm focusing so much on RDA is I feel like his stats being off make it quite difficult to use him the way RDA fights. You can't push his kind of pace because his cardio can't support it, nor can his chin and you can't grapple as dominantly as you should be able to with him. RDA was the 4th ranked Lightweight when he left the division and he's currently the 2nd ranked Welterweight in the world and I don't think his stats accurately reflect just how good of a fighter he is.

Barboza having a glass chin is a myth that has been perpetuated by /r/MMA because he got knocked down by a jab. Lawler got knocked out by that weak punch Nick hit him with but he still has a good chin rating.

Barboza got pieced up by MJ all fight and lasted 3 rounds.

I think both their chin stats should be upped. I don't think that RDA should necessarily have a higher chin stat than Barboza. It doesn't really matter that much tho. As long as they're both average or a little above.

Other than that... I agree with everything.

[SMOKEZERO]

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Yoo... ur a troll right? Hardcore insight is that khabib lost a fight because he pulled out? Does that mean we lower stats when someone gets injured? [emoji23]

C'mon man, the picture is bigger than what the records show. It's real insight, things that happen outside of the cage, 100% effect what happens inside. It's not speculation. If Khabib wasn't a pull out master he may have been champion already. Of course we don't grade non performances, but a bad performance here or there shouldn't rewrite the book on said fighter.


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[Nugget7211]

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Barboza having a glass chin is a myth that has been perpetuated by /r/MMA because he got knocked down by a jab. Lawler got knocked out by that weak punch Nick hit him with but he still has a good chin rating.

Barboza got pieced up by MJ all fight and lasted 3 rounds.

I think both their chin stats should be upped. I don't think that RDA should necessarily have a higher chin stat than Barboza. It doesn't really matter that much tho. As long as they're both average or a little above.

Other than that... I agree with everything.

I wasn't trying to disparage Barboza's chin, but the dude doesn't take the best shot, whereas RDA takes a pretty good shot 99% of the time and it's weird to me that his chin is actually kinda low. Like, it's lower than Eddie's who gets hurt a lot (he recovers great though)

As for that Lawler comment, one was 4 years and 9 fights ago and the other was 14 years and 25 (provided UFC.com has no gaps) fights ago. It makes sense that people care more about one rather than the other.

[Serengeti1]

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I wasn't trying to disparage Barboza's chin, but the dude doesn't take the best shot, whereas RDA takes a pretty good shot 99% of the time and it's weird to me that his chin is actually kinda low. Like, it's lower than Eddie's who gets hurt a lot (he recovers great though)

As for that Lawler comment, one was 4 years and 9 fights ago and the other was 14 years and 25 (provided UFC.com has no gaps) fights ago. It makes sense that people care more about one rather than the other.

Barboza has had 24 fights and been finished by strikes one single time and knocked down on one other occasion by Cerrone. He's fought so many top strikers and taken their shots. There is no proof that Barboza has a weak chin.

He's also fought many top strikers since fighting Cerrone and not been hurt. Did I mention already that he got boxed up by MJ for three straight rounds but didn't even get dropped?

Sometimes in combat sports it goes around that a guy has a weak chin when it's barely supported by anything and I don't know why.

Most of the reason people think Barboza has a weak chin on /r/MMA is imo because that Cerrone finish gets posted often and they haven't actually seen the dude's fights or don't recall them.

Both their chins should be upped.

Think about that for a second tho. 24 fights. Dropped on two occasions. But weak chin?

Masvidal has been dropped by Chiesa, Cruikshank, and Khabilov but he's known to have a granite chin. He does but it's just as much heart too.

[Nugget7211]

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Barboza has had 24 fights and been finished by strikes one single time and knocked down on one other occasion by Cerrone. He's fought so many top strikers and taken their shots. There is no proof that Barboza has a weak chin.

He's also fought many top strikers since fighting Cerrone and not been hurt. Did I mention already that he got boxed up by MJ for three straight rounds but didn't even get dropped?

Sometimes in combat sports it goes around that a guy has a weak chin when it's barely supported by anything and I don't know why.

Most of the reason people think Barboza has a weak chin on /r/MMA is imo because that Cerrone finish gets posted often and they haven't actually seen the dude's fights or don't recall them.

Both their chins should be upped.

Think about that for a second tho. 24 fights. Dropped on two occasions. But weak chin?

Masvidal has been dropped by Chiesa, Cruikshank, and Khabilov but he's known to have a granite chin. He does but it's just as much heart too.

I feel like Ferguson hurt Barboza too, but I take your point. Maybe it's how he reacts to getting hit or something that makes me think he has a bad chin, or maybe I've just heard it so much that's in my head. At the end of the day though, RDA definitely doesn't have a worse chin than Barboza, which is the point I was making.

[Serengeti1]

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I feel like Ferguson hurt Barboza too, but I take your point. Maybe it's how he reacts to getting hit or something that makes me think he has a bad chin, or maybe I've just heard it so much that's in my head. At the end of the day though, RDA definitely doesn't have a worse chin than Barboza, which is the point I was making.

Tony hit Barboza with spinning elbows and head kicks but never dropped him or even had him wobbled. He did hit him with an illegal upkick that stumbled him a bit but it would have anyone.

I wouldn't say RDA necessarily has a better chin than Barboza either. Barboza has stood with MJ, Bobby Green, Tony, Felder, Pearson, Pettis and never been dropped or wobbled. Also took that beating from Khabib recently. It's one of the weirdest myths in MMA that Barboza has a weak chin.

I say buff them both. As long as the stats are within a point it doesn't matter.

[Find_the_Door]

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Werdum needs his strike and movement speed decreased significantly. He is a slowish plodder in real life that's good at rhythm striking.

Currently he's a prime Chuck with a Maia level ground game (warranted). His stand up should be something you need to learn to put together and time, not as it currently is.

[Dave_S]

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Elias Theodorou's switch stat should be among the best in division. His is 80, that's rock bottom. He's always switching stances and thrown by kicks-punches. (More kicks)

Jacare also carries a lot of power in his hand when he switches, even though he doesn't switch that often. Jacare is also 80. If switch is how much power you carry over when switching stance he shouldn't be bottom of the barrel of the barrel as far as that stat is concerned. Jacare actually finished Derek Brunson after knocking him down with switch to right hand strike. (their first fight)

Elias though, guy probably switches more than any middleweight I've seen.

I asked him about his switch power and these are his words.
"Some tools are stronger in southpaw for sure. My shot, Jab and left kick. I feel very comfortable switching as it allows me to go with the flow of a fight and find openings from many angels. Also catch people when they thought I was somewhere else. #annoying"