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  • FCB x Finlay
    MVP
    • Nov 2017
    • 1293

    #106
    Re: Outside/point fighting or movement in general?

    You
    Originally posted by aholbert32
    Man....you are preaching to the ****ing choir. I had a discussion the other day about a fighter who is past his prime. He is still active but he is clearly not as good as he used to be and is arguably a bad fighter. Now when we rated him, we gave him stats that are accurate to today. The counter argument was that we should still take into consideration his greatness from past years when we rate him and that we are doing his fans and him a disservice by rating him based on his performance today.

    I couldnt believe it because this wouldnt be a conversation in any other sports game. In NBA 2K18, Dwayne Wade is rated as he is today (a older slightly above average guard). No one says "Wade was great in 2011...why isnt he rated partially based on that season" but for some reason thats considered reasonable when it comes to EA UFC. I've seen similar discussions on this board.

    What I've learned this year is that there is a clear divide in this community and it makes developing this game tough. With something like movement, there are groups of people who want more freedom of movement and are OK if "running" is a possibility. There are others who love the phone booth meta. There is a potential middle ground but thats not always easy to find.
    Who is saying having better movement is an issue. Like just ask them to try and fight on the outside.

    If there against having slightly realistic fights as the meta then i dont know what yo say.
    Last edited by FCB x Finlay; 03-28-2018, 10:34 AM.

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    • killakrok
      Pro
      • Dec 2006
      • 605

      #107
      Re: Outside/point fighting or movement in general?

      Originally posted by aholbert32
      Man....you are preaching to the ****ing choir. I had a discussion the other day about a fighter who is past his prime. He is still active but he is clearly not as good as he used to be and is arguably a bad fighter. Now when we rated him, we gave him stats that are accurate to today. The counter argument was that we should still take into consideration his greatness from past years when we rate him and that we are doing his fans and him a disservice by rating him based on his performance today.

      I couldnt believe it because this wouldnt be a conversation in any other sports game. In NBA 2K18, Dwayne Wade is rated as he is today (a older slightly above average guard). No one says "Wade was great in 2011...why isnt he rated partially based on that season" but for some reason thats considered reasonable when it comes to EA UFC. I've seen similar discussions on this board.
      I think a destinction to be made there is that many of the "classic" players in Madden, 2K, Fifa etc. are available on their classic teams or are available in their prime versions in Ultimate Team or other modes outside of ranked which uses current teams, this isn't the case with UFC 3.

      Many people are probably advocating for seeing their favorite classic fighter with their prime stats because it's the ONLY version of that fighter in the game. If there were more prime versions of fighters available to be used in ranked or even UT (aside from the realities of the mode overall) people would be much more comfortable with current versions of former stars that have low stats because a prime version is still available to be used.

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      • xtremeba1000
        Pro
        • Aug 2017
        • 772

        #108
        Re: Outside/point fighting or movement in general?

        After the patch I have actually been able to use my jabs and straights and leg kicks. I can decently fight on the outside now. The only issue is lunges do NOT cover enough distance. With teep kicks being so dangerous. and backing up at all gets you against the cage , your only option is to slowly walk side to side to try to stay on the outside. Overall I'm really liking the patch so far

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        • FCB x Finlay
          MVP
          • Nov 2017
          • 1293

          #109
          Re: Outside/point fighting or movement in general?

          Originally posted by xtremeba1000
          After the patch I have actually been able to use my jabs and straights and leg kicks. I can decently fight on the outside now. The only issue is lunges do NOT cover enough distance. With teep kicks being so dangerous. and backing up at all gets you against the cage , your only option is to slowly walk side to side to try to stay on the outside. Overall I'm really liking the patch so far
          Too throw, as in they hurt your oppenent or dangerous as the do nothing and can be caught?

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          • aholbert32
            (aka Alberto)
            • Jul 2002
            • 33106

            #110
            Re: Outside/point fighting or movement in general?

            Originally posted by killakrok
            I think a destinction to be made there is that many of the "classic" players in Madden, 2K, Fifa etc. are available on their classic teams or are available in their prime versions in Ultimate Team or other modes outside of ranked which uses current teams, this isn't the case with UFC 3.

            Many people are probably advocating for seeing their favorite classic fighter with their prime stats because it's the ONLY version of that fighter in the game. If there were more prime versions of fighters available to be used in ranked or even UT (aside from the realities of the mode overall) people would be much more comfortable with current versions of former stars that have low stats because a prime version is still available to be used.
            Thats exactly what I suggested. I have no issues with prime versions.
            Last edited by aholbert32; 03-28-2018, 11:13 AM.

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            • FCB x Finlay
              MVP
              • Nov 2017
              • 1293

              #111
              Re: Outside/point fighting or movement in general?

              Originally posted by aholbert32
              Thats exactly what I suggested.
              Are you in about big nog by any chance 😂. Tbh i hope all the ild fighters that are past it retire so we have prime fighters.

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              • xtremeba1000
                Pro
                • Aug 2017
                • 772

                #112
                Re: Outside/point fighting or movement in general?

                Originally posted by FCB x Finlay
                Too throw, as in they hurt your oppenent or dangerous as the do nothing and can be caught?
                They can be caught really easily and the kick catch counter punch causes an instant rock

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                • aholbert32
                  (aka Alberto)
                  • Jul 2002
                  • 33106

                  #113
                  Re: Outside/point fighting or movement in general?

                  Originally posted by FCB x Finlay
                  Are you in about big nog by any chance 😂. Tbh i hope all the ild fighters that are past it retire so we have prime fighters.
                  I wrote that wrong. I dont think there should be prime versions. I think there should be classic versions. There is a difference.

                  For example, Marc Coleman in his prime was a dominant wrestler with the best GNP in the game. Part of that was because of his skill while part of it was because of his competition and the time. If we made a prime version, he would be a 98-99 in top game. With a classic version that takes comp and the time he fought in consideration, his top game would be good but somewhat lower.

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                  • Phillyboi207
                    Banned
                    • Apr 2012
                    • 3159

                    #114
                    Re: Outside/point fighting or movement in general?

                    So here’s a small clip of what I discovered

                    xboxdvr.com/gamer/MavsFan1012/video/46818246

                    If you feint a backward moving straight you get a small back step animation. If you cancel it repeatedly you can get the backstep animation over and over to create space. It works just like a wave dash in standard fighting games.

                    It also works when circling

                    Forward moving straights still hit you and if your guy has low footwork he wont be able to circle well while doing it.

                    Lunging body shots are also an issue so you’d have to mix in uppercuts.

                    Btw I also discovered that feints are counted as strike attempts. So that needs to be fixed.

                    I havent perfected it yet but somebody holding block literally cannot keep up with you regardless of footwork rating
                    Last edited by Phillyboi207; 03-28-2018, 12:01 PM.

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                    • 1212headkick
                      Banned
                      • Mar 2018
                      • 1823

                      #115
                      Re: Outside/point fighting or movement in general?

                      Originally posted by Phillyboi207
                      So here’s a small clip of what I discovered

                      xboxdvr.com/gamer/MavsFan1012/video/46818246

                      If you feint a backward moving straight you get a small back step animation. If you cancel it repeatedly you can get the backstep animation over and over to create space. It works just like a wave dash in standard fighting games.

                      It also works when circling

                      Forward moving straights still hit you and if your guy has low footwork he wont be able to circle well while doing it.

                      Lunging body shots are also an issue so you’d have to mix in uppercuts.

                      Btw I also discovered that feints are counted as strike attempts. So that needs to be fixed.

                      I havent perfected it yet but somebody holding block literally cannot keep up with you regardless of footwork rating
                      as a practitioner of tae kwon do i promise you till circling out is added to the game true counter punching will never be realistic#wewantrealism#punishstupidplayers

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                      • 1212headkick
                        Banned
                        • Mar 2018
                        • 1823

                        #116
                        Re: Outside/point fighting or movement in general?

                        fly me to canada ill mocap for free

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                        • FCB x Finlay
                          MVP
                          • Nov 2017
                          • 1293

                          #117
                          Re: Outside/point fighting or movement in general?

                          Not going to lie, power is 100% a major cause of this issue.

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                          • MacGowan
                            Sassy
                            • Jun 2017
                            • 1681

                            #118
                            Re: Outside/point fighting or movement in general?

                            Originally posted by FCB x Finlay
                            100% a major cause of this issue.
                            100% a major cause.

                            Math
                            Last edited by MacGowan; 03-30-2018, 05:26 AM.

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                            • FCB x Finlay
                              MVP
                              • Nov 2017
                              • 1293

                              #119
                              Re: Outside/point fighting or movement in general?

                              Originally posted by MacGowan
                              100% a major cause.

                              Math
                              Grammar police but it is 100% a major cause, meaning its a a major cause and not the full thing or a minor cause, it 100% is that thing.

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                              • MacGowan
                                Sassy
                                • Jun 2017
                                • 1681

                                #120
                                Re: Outside/point fighting or movement in general?

                                Originally posted by FCB x Finlay
                                Grammar police but it is 100% a major cause, meaning its a a major cause and not the full thing or a minor cause, it 100% is that thing.
                                Just tryin' to be funny

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