Is this an MMA game or Kickboxing game?

[OPSPunk]

The new tweaks are ok. But here is my problem. They keep tweaking striking and each time I feel like I am playing a new kickboxing game as soon as I get use to one style I have to change. ok. This new forward pressure equates to weaken block is just unrealistic. I have never once seen anything in an MMA fight that reflects this mechanic.

The devs seem to have only watched Conor McGregor and they think the only counters to aggressive striking is head movement and counters.

The striking system has forgotten grappling and the transitions. Just watch a GSP, Jones, Dj or TJ fight. When a guy is pressing forward (stepping jab) with strikes they get takedown on their butt very hard.

If a guy misses an overhand or any strike while moving forward the takendown should be damn near auto. This is where this game totally takes me out of the MMA immersion and makes me feel like I am playing in the world of McGregor.

Grappling as a counter to striking needs to be implemented ASAP. Also is it just me or is a step in knee almost useless now.

[aholbert32]

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The new tweaks are ok. But here is my problem. They keep tweaking striking and each time I feel like I am playing a new kickboxing game as soon as I get use to one style I have to change. ok. This new forward pressure equates to weaken block is just unrealistic. I have never once seen anything in an MMA fight that reflects this mechanic.

The devs seem to have only watched Conor McGregor and they think the only counters to aggressive striking is head movement and counters.

The striking system has forgotten grappling and the transitions. Just watch a GSP, Jones, Dj or TJ fight. When a guy is pressing forward (stepping jab) with strikes they get takedown on their butt very hard.

If a guy misses an overhand or any strike while moving forward the takendown should be damn near auto. This is where this game totally takes me out of the MMA immersion and makes me feel like I am playing in the world of McGregor.

Grappling as a counter to striking needs to be implemented ASAP. Also is it just me or is a step in knee almost useless now.

GPD has already stated publicly that he plans to focus on grappling now.

[AeroZeppelin27]

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This is something UD3 excels at over EA UFC.

That TD system had struggles and instant TDs if you timed it well during a power strike.

I wouldn't gave any issue if they copied a lot of the stuff UD3 did with takedowns.

Smooth out the reactive knee so it actually connects reliably I've had people literally shoot straight into my knee and take it without any damage, then have it KO them the next time I try it

Then make it so all advancing strikes except the jab and the 2 (maybe) a free TD if someone dives under them mid combo. Idle strikes should stay the same but I hate stuffing shots that I've literally RUN into, its too easy. Way too easy.

[MacGowan]

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This picture needs a home

[Dankoz]

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I don't know but it's almost impossible to deny clinch attempt after combo because animation is way too fast.

[OPSPunk]

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I just hate that they try to balance the games in artificial ways. When dealing with imbalance they should always ask how is this imbalanced dealt with in a real fight by BOTH a grappler and a striker

The block being taken away as you move forward is just silly. They pretty much are saying th Diaz brothers don't have a career. Did they see the McGregor Mayweather fight as Mayweather walked him down. That happen in MMA too. This latest patch...is a few step forwards but a leap backwards.

Btw..the reason pressure was a good strategy pre-patch was in part because pressure is a great strategy in real life. Look at some of the top fighters in the game ALL pressure fighters striking or grappling (DC, Stipe, Edgar, Khabib, Connor, Lee, Ferguson, Weidman, TJ, etc.

[OPSPunk]

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This picture needs a home

lol...so true

[1stChrisso]

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I just hate that they try to balance the games in artificial ways. When dealing with imbalance they should always ask how is this imbalanced dealt with in a real fight by BOTH a grappler and a striker

The block being taken away as you move forward is just silly. They pretty much are saying th Diaz brothers don't have a career. Did they see the McGregor Mayweather fight as Mayweather walked him down. That happen in MMA too. This latest patch...is a few step forwards but a leap backwards.

Btw..the reason pressure was a good strategy pre-patch was in part because pressure is a great strategy in real life. Look at some of the top fighters in the game ALL pressure fighters striking or grappling (DC, Stipe, Edgar, Khabib, Connor, Lee, Ferguson, Weidman, TJ, etc.

Seems you are just a sore pressure fighter tbh. Taking away the block while moving forward was great.

Btw since when Conor became a pressure fighter? And Stipe? What?

[OPSPunk]

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Seems you are just a sore pressure fighter tbh. Taking away the block while moving forward was great.

Btw since when Conor became a pressure fighter? And Stipe? What?

Go watch Connor fight. He doesn't fight at range. He pushes forward gets right in the pocket. WhicIh forces people to throw and then he moves and counters. There are different types of pressure. The key thing is Conor is in your face and generally not taking step backwards

In all honestly, Stipe is interesting because he fights in varied approaches which is what makes him so good. He definitely can bring pressure like against JDS, and later rounds of Ngannou, but he also can sit back and wait for counters at range like early rds of Ngannou and Werdum fight


Taking away the block while moving forward being "great" is subjective. However, its not realistic. I have never seen Gaehtje, Diaz brothers, Cain or DC's block get diminished while moving forward. If anything I have seen blocks get blown up while moving backwards. Like I said...if I am wrong I would like to see video evidence of this.

To be clear I am not a sore pressure fighter. I have already become accustomed to the new patch and am back at it. I just like realism...pressure as a strategy is real...you can still do it in this game, but its way more limited than it should be. Blocking being weaker as you go forward just isn't realistic.

[MartialMind]

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Go watch Connor fight. He doesn't fight at range. He pushes forward gets right in the pocket. WhicIh forces people to throw and then he moves and counters. There are different types of pressure. The key thing is Conor is in your face and generally not taking step backwards

In all honestly, Stipe is interesting because he fights in varied approaches which is what makes him so good. He definitely can bring pressure like against JDS, and later rounds of Ngannou, but he also can sit back and wait for counters at range like early rds of Ngannou and Werdum fight


Taking away the block while moving forward being "great" is subjective. However, its not realistic. I have never seen Gaehtje, Diaz brothers, Cain or DC's block get diminished while moving forward. If anything I have seen blocks get blown up while moving backwards. Like I said...if I am wrong I would like to see video evidence of this.

To be clear I am not a sore pressure fighter. I have already become accustomed to the new patch and am back at it. I just like realism...pressure as a strategy is real...you can still do it in this game, but its way more limited than it should be. Blocking being weaker as you go forward just isn't realistic.

It's genuinely hard to trust that you're well versed on this topic (Nothing wrong with that at all, and not a diss to you) when you describe Conor as someone who doesn't fight at range. He is the definition of range fighting. He doesn't fight in the pocket.

He has an aggressive posture, and tends to act first, following basic striking rules, but he is not an aggressive fighter.

[Nugget7211]

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Stylistically, McGregor is an aggressive counter puncher. He sits at the end of his range, which is usually longer than his opponents, throwing long strikes like snap kicks, low line side kicks and long left hands but never pushes further forward than that. Him setting a long range is why basically everyone runs at him with a right hand at some point and gets dropped with a back stepping left hand.

He's absolutely an aggressive fighter in that he always pushes the action in his fights and basically never just sits and waits like Machida, Anderson or Wonderboy have been known to do on occasion, but he's not like an RDA type pressure fighter who is always going forward and always in range to be hit.

[Dave_S]

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GPD has already stated publicly that he plans to focus on grappling now.

Doesn't matter. They overhauled grappling last game, new game nerfed it, and it feels more nerfed every patch.

On ps4 some transitions do not work, you input nothing happens.

This isn't kickboxing or mma game, after last patch I honestly have no idea what it is.

Maybe a a big troll attempt from EA?

[aholbert32]

Is this an MMA game or Kickboxing game?

Doesn't matter. They overhauled grappling last game, new game nerfed it, and it feels more nerfed every patch.



On ps4 some transitions do not work, you input nothing happens.



This isn't kickboxing or mma game, after last patch I honestly have no idea what it is.



Maybe a a big troll attempt from EA?

What do you want?

The guy who overhauled grappling said he is focusing on grappling now.

The most recent patch didn’t nerf grappling. It gave grapplers a new way through leg kicks to get GA and takedowns. More can be done though.

Now if the point of your post is just to bitch about it....have at it. It’s lame as **** but that seems to be a lot of posts recently. I’m all about complaining with a purpose.

The original poster probably wasn’t aware that gpd stayed they are focusing on grappling and that’s why I told him about it. You are now aware of the devs new focus but still feel the need to bitch though.


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[Dave_S]

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What do you want?

The guy who overhauled grappling said he is focusing on grappling now.

The most recent patch didn’t nerf grappling. It gave grapplers a new way through leg kicks to get GA and takedowns. More can be done though.

Now if the point of your post is just to bitch about it....have at it. It’s lame as **** but that seems to be a lot of posts recently. I’m all about complaining with a purpose.

The original poster probably wasn’t aware that gpd stayed they are focusing on grappling and that’s why I told him about it. You are now aware of the devs new focus but still feel the need to bitch though.


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It's not lame, it's true. I actually felt terrible for GPD when game dropped because of what happened to grappling, but he seems okay with it.

I'm just being honest and can't quite determine the genre the game is aiming for.


What some people might think is lame is attacking every user's ideas that aren't pro EA or disagree with you.

Unless they are playing Cee most good players laugh at the grappling, like laugh hard, and it's not like Cee doesn't have loses

Also bitching and discussing, and bringing things more to light are completely different things.

[aholbert32]

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Go watch Connor fight. He doesn't fight at range. He pushes forward gets right in the pocket. WhicIh forces people to throw and then he moves and counters. There are different types of pressure. The key thing is Conor is in your face and generally not taking step backwards

In all honestly, Stipe is interesting because he fights in varied approaches which is what makes him so good. He definitely can bring pressure like against JDS, and later rounds of Ngannou, but he also can sit back and wait for counters at range like early rds of Ngannou and Werdum fight


Taking away the block while moving forward being "great" is subjective. However, its not realistic. I have never seen Gaehtje, Diaz brothers, Cain or DC's block get diminished while moving forward. If anything I have seen blocks get blown up while moving backwards. Like I said...if I am wrong I would like to see video evidence of this.

To be clear I am not a sore pressure fighter. I have already become accustomed to the new patch and am back at it. I just like realism...pressure as a strategy is real...you can still do it in this game, but its way more limited than it should be. Blocking being weaker as you go forward just isn't realistic.

You are talking a bit in extremes. Block break down was dropped universally but fighters with better block ratings will still be significantly better than average fighters when it comes to their blocks breaking down.

Also you have Justin G. analyzed wrong. Justin doesn move forward holding block alot. What he does is stand still during a block and moves forward once his opponent stops throwing (an example: Round 1 of the Poirier fight). He's a pressure fighter but he isnt just holding block and walking forward. He also gets his block broken a bit but he has a great chin and heart so he survives.

I'm fine with that change. I was sick of people solely relying on block as a means to create pressure. Use all of the tools: Block, head movement, movement to create pressure. Any newbie can just move forward and use block.