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  • aholbert32
    (aka Alberto)
    • Jul 2002
    • 33106

    #61
    Is this an MMA game or Kickboxing game?

    Originally posted by MacGowan
    remember that quote? I did not post it to be condescending.



    I'm baffled, to be honest. same to Martial Mind. You want an internet forum to come to a consensus and present it. I'm sorry? Do you want the audience to write the last part of the theater play too? maybe have them vote in on the name of an artic science vessel?

    Boaty McBoatface



    And it effing should! The audience will tell you when the movie is bad. you guys are listening to how to make the movie better? they don't know how to do that! they pick up a game, feel that something is bad, and tell you what's bad. They DO NOT know how to fix it! hell most times they don't even know WHAT's bad, just that it IS.


    Lol. You know that movies do that right? There is a thing called focus groups. They watch the film months before release, grade the film and give them tips on what they like and don’t like. They actually get specific an provide info and what and how to change it.

    I’m actually asking this community to be consistent. If you ask for something in February and 90% of the community agrees that it’s a good thing, I don’t expect those same people to complain about you giving them the thing they ask for in April.


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    Last edited by aholbert32; 04-28-2018, 05:35 PM.

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    • Sivo
      Rookie
      • May 2016
      • 428

      #62
      Re: Is this an MMA game or Kickboxing game?

      i think a big part of the problem is that even the ufc is moving away from grappling as much as possible, showed by the new ref standups and fighters being seperated when they are working on the fence.
      The fact is most casual viewers of the ufc have no idea whats happening on the ground and as it is so intricate it takes a long time to understand whats happening so they are unlikely to be able to grasp it without studying it and watching videos about BJJ/Wrestling.
      Also allot of ppl who play this game are gonna be boxing fans who just want to use punches

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      • MacGowan
        Sassy
        • Jun 2017
        • 1681

        #63
        Re: Is this an MMA game or Kickboxing game?

        Originally posted by aholbert32
        Lol. You know that movies do that right? There is a thing called focus groups. They watch the film months before release, grade the film and give them tips on what they like and don’t like.
        ah, you think this is a focus group? oh no....

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        • aholbert32
          (aka Alberto)
          • Jul 2002
          • 33106

          #64
          Re: Is this an MMA game or Kickboxing game?

          Originally posted by MacGowan
          ah, you think this is a focus group? oh no....


          I don’t but it’s clear you didn’t think of that when you used your movie analogy. With that said, there isn’t much of a difference between this and a focus group. If anything, the people here have more knowledge about the product than an average focus group. They can provide more specific feedback.


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          • FCB x Finlay
            MVP
            • Nov 2017
            • 1293

            #65
            Re: Is this an MMA game or Kickboxing game?

            What kind of feedback do you want?

            Lets be real every player has different issues, some players love the game RN and think its perfect.
            Unfortantly its not for everyone, i for one have only started to enjoy it using an average rated caf, being able to play how i want to play with no combo limits.

            Even tho i am enjoying it it has plenty of flaws. Im sure everyone is an MMA fan here and we can see where it has issues in a realistic aspect.

            Everyone sees different things differently, thats why some posts get a lot of love and some dont.

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            • MacGowan
              Sassy
              • Jun 2017
              • 1681

              #66
              Re: Is this an MMA game or Kickboxing game?

              Originally posted by aholbert32
              I don’t but it’s clear you didn’t think of that when you used your movie analogy.
              I did. Focus groups have their place. they are small test audiences. they do the same thing a larger audience would do. Often times the producers will have to go "the focus group doesn't like this, how do we fix it?" AND there are numerous examples of producers having listened to the focus group too much and changed movies for the worse. again, the rule of thumb is always to listen to the fact that they don't like something, not for their solutions.
              Originally posted by aholbert32
              With that said, there isn’t much of a difference between this and a focus group.
              Well then take our complaints. and MOST IMPORTANTLY our confusion. don't take our solutions.
              Originally posted by aholbert32
              If anything, the people here have more knowledge about the product than an average focus group. They can provide more specific feedback.
              Eeeh. great. more balancing fixes for the top 500 players.
              I'd rather EA sports gave this new patched game to a focus group of 50 people. 25 who are newbies. If those 25 newbies get their *** handed to them, have no idea how to do anything, and hate the game. then you got yourself a problem.

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              • FCB x Finlay
                MVP
                • Nov 2017
                • 1293

                #67
                Re: Is this an MMA game or Kickboxing game?

                Originally posted by MacGowan
                I did. Focus groups have their place. they are small test audiences. they do the same thing a larger audience would do. Often times the producers will have to go "the focus group doesn't like this, how do we fix it?" AND there are numerous examples of producers having listened to the focus group too much and changed movies for the worse. again, the rule of thumb is always to listen to the fact that they don't like something, not for their solutions.

                Well then take our complaints. and MOST IMPORTANTLY our confusion. don't take our solutions.

                Eeeh. great. more balancing fixes for the top 500 players.
                I'd rather EA sports gave this new patched game to a focus group of 50 people. 25 who are newbies. If those 25 newbies get their *** handed to them, have no idea how to do anything, and hate the game. then you got yourself a problem.
                What are you actually arguing for here sorry. We have solutions, some of which are great, just like your patchable grappling thread. So your arguing that should be ignored?

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                • aholbert32
                  (aka Alberto)
                  • Jul 2002
                  • 33106

                  #68
                  Re: Is this an MMA game or Kickboxing game?

                  Originally posted by MacGowan
                  I did. Focus groups have their place. they are small test audiences. they do the same thing a larger audience would do. Often times the producers will have to go "the focus group doesn't like this, how do we fix it?" AND there are numerous examples of producers having listened to the focus group too much and changed movies for the worse. again, the rule of thumb is always to listen to the fact that they don't like something, not for their solutions.

                  Well then take our complaints. and MOST IMPORTANTLY our confusion. don't take our solutions.

                  Eeeh. great. more balancing fixes for the top 500 players.
                  I'd rather EA sports gave this new patched game to a focus group of 50 people. 25 who are newbies. If those 25 newbies get their *** handed to them, have no idea how to do anything, and hate the game. then you got yourself a problem.
                  There are also numerous examples of focus groups greatly improving the final product. I work in the television industry. I've seen a number of our shows improved because of the input of focus groups.

                  You are arguing a completely different point than the one I made or am making.

                  I'm asking for consistency from this particular group of people when it comes to feedback. They play the game. They have opinions on how the game should be played and what needs to be fixed. The only thing that I'm asking is that if you are asking for a specific change and they give you the change....dont complain about the change they gave you after the fact. You asked for it specifically. They gave you exactly what you requested.

                  You are saying that the devs should acknowledge what people say is wrong with the game but not how they suggest to fix it. Thats bad for two reasons.

                  1) People sometimes have good ideas. Many of the ideas that are good in this game have come from community members input. Same with UFC 2. That input was based off of complaints they had.

                  2) People here are constantly giving their solutions and expecting that the devs will follow it. ****, Find The Door in this thread didnt just complain and say this should be fixed. He provided a couple of things he would change. Thats constructive and I think a positive thing.

                  No one wants a forum full of bitching and complaining. Take that **** to Reddit or Twitter or any other platform.

                  At OS, one of the main goals is to help improve the game. If the devs arent on a forum, its users helping each other with workarounds so that they can still enjoy the game they love and avoid the issue they have with the game (the Madden and 2k forums have been great for this).

                  If the devs are around, its giving them direct feedback about issues and ways to fix it. That doesnt mean the devs have to take all of feedback or do it the way that everyone wants but if they do decide to fix it the way a user wants, they dont expect the user to then complain about it.

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                  • aholbert32
                    (aka Alberto)
                    • Jul 2002
                    • 33106

                    #69
                    Re: Is this an MMA game or Kickboxing game?

                    Originally posted by FCB x Finlay
                    What are you actually arguing for here sorry. We have solutions, some of which are great, just like your patchable grappling thread. So your arguing that should be ignored?
                    It seems like he wants the complaints heard but the devs should ignore the proposed solutions.

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                    • FCB x Finlay
                      MVP
                      • Nov 2017
                      • 1293

                      #70
                      Re: Is this an MMA game or Kickboxing game?

                      Originally posted by aholbert32
                      It seems like he wants the complaints heard but the devs should ignore the proposed solutions.
                      Exactly what i thought, seems to discredit absolutly everything on this form and everyone who hasnt coded the game here.

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                      • Sivo
                        Rookie
                        • May 2016
                        • 428

                        #71
                        Re: Is this an MMA game or Kickboxing game?

                        the problem i see is, this focus group is largely full of the best players and some of the most experienced combat games players and tailoring the game too much towards that group makes it much more difficult for newer/lesser skilled players to pick it up and just play it. How much more complicated can this game be made for the top level players before it becomes too complicated for new players if it isn't already there

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                        • FCB x Finlay
                          MVP
                          • Nov 2017
                          • 1293

                          #72
                          Re: Is this an MMA game or Kickboxing game?

                          Originally posted by Sivo
                          the problem i see is, this focus group is largely full of the best players and some of the most experienced combat games players and tailoring the game too much towards that group makes it much more difficult for newer/lesser skilled players to pick it up and just play it. How much more complicated can this game be made for the top level players before it becomes too complicated for new players if it isn't already there
                          Who or what post exactly seems to be a complicated game feature. Most people that want to play this game will be mma fans, and what will they want to play in an mma game. Yes thats right MMA. Is MMA complex yes, so should an MMA game complex? What exaclt do you expect a sports game around a complx sport to be like?

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                          • aholbert32
                            (aka Alberto)
                            • Jul 2002
                            • 33106

                            #73
                            Re: Is this an MMA game or Kickboxing game?

                            Originally posted by Sivo
                            the problem i see is, this focus group is largely full of the best players and some of the most experienced combat games players and tailoring the game too much towards that group makes it much more difficult for newer/lesser skilled players to pick it up and just play it. How much more complicated can this game be made for the top level players before it becomes too complicated for new players if it isn't already there
                            I dont know if it is though. Cee is a top player. Find The Door is up there. Kenetic posts like once every 2 mos. Retracted is really good. Who else?

                            I think there is a good mix of players. I'm a .500 fighter at best. Dave is solid but I would call him elite. There is a group of guys here who also never play online.

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                            • ImAnOlogist
                              Rookie
                              • Jan 2018
                              • 381

                              #74
                              Re: Is this an MMA game or Kickboxing game?

                              Originally posted by Sivo
                              the problem i see is, this focus group is largely full of the best players and some of the most experienced combat games players and tailoring the game too much towards that group makes it much more difficult for newer/lesser skilled players to pick it up and just play it. How much more complicated can this game be made for the top level players before it becomes too complicated for new players if it isn't already there

                              Unfortunately, this is every single game you're going to play. Especially a niche fighter like UFC. You pick it up and you're thrown to the wolves, it's the reality. When I started playing League Of Legends I was playing against level 30s already that goes to show the same type of **** happens in big well established games. The UFC community doesn't care if it brings in new people at this point. There's a small base of dedicated players that the initial flurry of purchases will always dwindle down to and they shape the game.

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                              • Sivo
                                Rookie
                                • May 2016
                                • 428

                                #75
                                Re: Is this an MMA game or Kickboxing game?

                                Originally posted by FCB x Finlay
                                Who or what post exactly seems to be a complicated game feature. Most people that want to play this game will be mma fans, and what will they want to play in an mma game. Yes thats right MMA. Is MMA complex yes, so should an MMA game complex? What exaclt do you expect a sports game around a complx sport to be like?
                                The entire game is complicated, as an example with the recent change to block, how does someone who picks up the game know that u cant hold block while walking forward otherwise it gets destroyed. If u dont visit these forums or watch youtube videos u dont know half of whats happening in the game.

                                mma is not a huge sport, allot of the fans are casuals(dont really know allot about mma but like ko's/wars) and i assume the game needs to appeal to a wider audience for it to sell well(to get more money for development).

                                I would like a game that most ppl would be able to pick up and play atleast at a basic level and have a good time yet is complicated enough for the top level players to be able to find wrinkles that keep them playing for a long time(i know how difficult a balance this is).

                                My worry is that people who play single player or new players wont play online due to how complex this game is when u start playing multiplayer because of the changes ppl who play online all the time request and we need new ppl coming in to play online. I just think some of the changes requested by this forum may hinder that as they can forget about new players/single player ppl

                                edit: But as ImAnOlogist stated i may just be wishing for something that cant happen
                                Last edited by Sivo; 04-28-2018, 07:48 PM.

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