Is this an MMA game or Kickboxing game?

[Sivo]

Re: Is this an MMA game or Kickboxing game?

I dont know if it is though. Cee is a top player. Find The Door is up there. Kenetic posts like once every 2 mos. Retracted is really good. Who else?

I think there is a good mix of players. I'm a .500 fighter at best. Dave is solid but I would call him elite. There is a group of guys here who also never play online.

maybe i got that wrong let me rephrase, this focus group has a much better understanding of the game mechanics, how it works and don't mind more complexity being added as they have had enough experience, read enough posts or watched enough youtube videos to get used to the complexity of the game already.

[Seymorslash]

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If u dont visit these forums or watch youtube videos u dont know half of whats happening in the game.

There are literally video explanations in the game for almost every patch. It's one of the best things they've done in the game imo, you could leave the game for months and be up to date on what's changed without having to even come here or youtube.

[MacGowan]

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Ok, I'm gonna make one long post. try to clarify what I am saying, then open the discussion up for other people. I want it to be known that I absolutely get aholbert32. And I absolutely get if the devs are pulling their hair and going "they complain regardless of what we give them".

I also know that you guys can break down some of these examples, maybe attack the weak points, tell me I'm way off topic, etc. do that. But I hope you understand the spirit in which i write this post.

What are you actually arguing for here sorry. We have solutions, some of which are great, just like your patchable grappling thread. So your arguing that should be ignored?

Thank you for liking the grappling ideas! and Yes. If that meant that the devs would go into a room and rework the entire grappling mechanics, then absolutely throw my grappling post into the garbage. also note it was written by one person, not a group of persons. let me quote the great, wise Men In Black:
- People are smart. They can handle it.
- A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it.
We can look at single posts here and find many great gems. But that's not what aholbert was complaining about, he was complaining that WE as a CROWD aren't coming together to push SINGLE ideas. I can't see that ever happening. and if it does it will be popular ideas that might actually damage the game in the long run.

There are also numerous examples of focus groups greatly improving the final product. I work in the television industry. I've seen a number of our shows improved because of the input of focus groups.

Well then you claim seniority here. I'm saying I believe it's a bad idea to have the focus group for the new Star Wars movie be the 501st Legion. (OS being the 501st in this parable).

I'm asking for consistency from this particular group of people when it comes to feedback. They play the game. They have opinions on how the game should be played and what needs to be fixed. The only thing that I'm asking is that if you are asking for a specific change and they give you the change....dont complain about the change they gave you after the fact. You asked for it specifically. They gave you exactly what you requested.

I'm sorry, this is a hard pill for me to swallow. first, I believe ME as a person have been very concise and pushed for ideas as clear and visual as I can. Debated with others using rational, reasoned arguments, and always with the understanding that I'm speaking to real people with real feelings.

I also share (shared) this forum with Lurch. you are now telling both of us that we need to stop complaining after the fact. I mean you remember Lurch right?
me and Lurch together in a boat labeled: OS GROUP

You are saying that the devs should acknowledge what people say is wrong with the game but not how they suggest to fix it. Thats bad for two reasons.

1) People sometimes have good ideas. Many of the ideas that are good in this game have come from community members input. Same with UFC 2. That input was based off of complaints they had.

2) People here are constantly giving their solutions and expecting that the devs will follow it. ****, Find The Door in this thread didnt just complain and say this should be fixed. He provided a couple of things he would change. Thats constructive and I think a positive thing.

Yes, a lot of us have issued good ideas. But we as a crowd can never do that. In my opinion, and experience.

If the devs are around, its giving them direct feedback about issues and ways to fix it. That doesnt mean the devs have to take all of feedback or do it the way that everyone wants

It does, glitches, hacks, control issues, etc. But beyond that it CAN be problematic for a few reasons. more on that later*

if they do decide to fix it the way a user wants, they dont expect the user to then complain about it.

So are we talking about specific users? I mean the way you're communicating this it lumps me into the same crowd. so I am now a part of a crowd that complaints about something they fixed. see the problem here?

No one wants a forum full of bitching and complaining. Take that **** to Reddit or Twitter or any other platform.

Are you telling me personally to take my ish somewhere else? or are you saying that no one want this forum to be people complaining? cuz it is. it very much is. they are often complaining in a structured and well mannered way, but also often not. that is the OS I know.



*Now let me point out the issue i raised earlier with the "listen to the fans" and the problem of "the guys who are the best at this game can give the best feedback." not saying you specifically have stated this. But it is a sentiment i've seen on this forum a few times:

(if people hate when I draw examples from FIFA or movie making they're definitely gonna hate this

USER INTERFACE AND TINDER
I've lost you, haven't I? it's ok, i ramble a lot. Tinder is a pretty good example of the importance of entry-level user friendly interface.

Look at that. no wonder it took off. other companies were busy with detailed descriptions, complicated matching algoryhtms, effin' horoscopes, paywalls, and what have you that no one bothered to use. anyone watching that picture who have never been or heard of tinder knows exactly what's going on, what everything is and how it works. (if that face wasn't censored that is.) I hear you, I hear you "what the ffff does this have to do with UFC?" we'll get there.

then the developers started adding new helpful solutions, the community were asking for things, one thing after another got added.

Now you've made the app "better" (what the hell is that purple lighting?) but you've also compromised what made it work in the first place (I'm not saying they shouldn't change anything or add anything). But you see the same thing happening with Facebook. "let's just add this here" and now you might have an app that is less user friendly for new time users. Now, both Tinder and Facebook have reached a critical mass, so any long term issue will take a long time to present itself. the inherent problem with the likes and share mechanic have first in the last few years become apparent. But I digress.

You're adding a new mechanic, that solves a problem. but now it might make the whole product less enter-level friendly. But the people already well-versed with Tinder might be a lot happier with the new changes. for a time... until it mysteriously starts dying out....

My issue is, and always have been, what do i present to my friends? cuz right now it seems like a bit of a complicated button mashing mess. The devs can say "but we added this purple lighting here to help you, we are in the right". and you ARE! but you might really only be helping the people who started out with UFC 2 and not the new people. And are you making it easier for my friends to get into this game/tinder/fill in the blanks? whiles also adding a nice level of depth that they can gradually get introduced to? you understand the spirit in which I'm kinda making this argument?

I'm no UID expert, just a dude in pyjamas using way too much time on this forum. But I really think the Devs need to take a step back and look at the big picture. that's why I'm saying that currently I PERSONALLY believe this forum as a whole and to some extent me aren't really helping in that regard.

[Sivo]

Re: Is this an MMA game or Kickboxing game?

There are literally video explanations in the game for almost every patch. It's one of the best things they've done in the game imo, you could leave the game for months and be up to date on what's changed without having to even come here or youtube.

Yes this applies to single player ppl but even then i would be interested to know how many ppl actually watch the videos in game as i can sometimes just not notice stuff in the main menu. But with regards to new players even watching the videos isnt going to help them as they will just be overwhelmed with the controls on there own without even worrying about the ground/clinch etc. And if the game isnt simple enough to begin with they may just be turned off and not play it again.

I want the game to pull in a wider audience and keep that audience playing resulting in more sales and hopefully a better game. I just think sometimes that can get forgotten on here

[Seymorslash]

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But with regards to new players even watching the videos isnt going to help them as they will just be overwhelmed with the controls on there own without even worrying about the ground/clinch etc. And if the game isnt simple enough to begin with they may just be turned off and not play it again.

I want the game to pull in a wider audience and keep that audience playing resulting in more sales and hopefully a better game. I just think sometimes that can get forgotten on here

That's the thing though, a player new to a series should expect some kind of learning curve, I didn't waltz into destiny knowing how to fire a sniper rifle accurately at someone's head or master raid mechanics the first time I played the raid. It took time and a reasonable investment on my part.

Is that really too much to ask?

[Sivo]

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That's the thing though, a player new to a series should expect some kind of learning curve, I didn't waltz into destiny knowing how to fire a sniper rifle accurately at someone's head or master raid mechanics the first time I played the raid. It took time and a reasonable investment on my part.

Is that really too much to ask?

How big a learning curve is the question and i might be wrong in thinking its too steep i don't truly know, but my guess is if someone has no experience or very little experience playing FPS games they would go from having no skill in destiny to playing pvp and being competent in it, would be much quicker than the same person with the same experience in fighting games playing ufc3 and getting competent in multiplayer.

I really like the game and the devs have done a good job, i'm just worried the base game might be getting too complicated and the learning curve too steep, but again i could be wrong and the learning curve isnt too steep. That is what i'm worried about

[TheShizNo1]

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Are you telling me personally to take my ish somewhere else? or are you saying that no one want this forum to be people complaining? cuz it is. it very much is. they are often complaining in a structured and well mannered way, but also often not. that is the OS I know.

A select vocal minority, the all caps everything is broken minority do a lot more useless bitching than actual "structured complaining".

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[Bigg Cee]

Re: Is this an MMA game or Kickboxing game?

Watching Dillon Danis doing his thing as a pure grappler during the Bellator show made me sad. I wish i could do that in UFC 3. I use to be able to do that in UFC 2.

I also wish the imanari roll worked great like it use to do in UFC 2. It’s worhtless now and never works. I have never completed it, even when my opponent had no stamina.

Its a beautiful animation that never gets used anymore. That was something GPD was proud of when he patched it in. Now it’s nerfed like everything else that has to do with grappling.

[Sivo]

Re: Is this an MMA game or Kickboxing game?

well after reading posts about ppl wanting the damage mechanic to stay the same, I realise i'm out of touch with this forum and as i'm one of the 10% who voted against headmovement because only a handful of fighters in the ufc use it and this isnt a boxing game, i also went against the block break as i figured most players only use block as using headmovement is hugely complicated and require precise timing which most casuals wont learn and now with this damage, just give me a fun game or listen to everyone on here and end up with a really good game for the very active player base but one that anyone else struggles to pick up.
I'm done arguing this anyway, been saying this stuff for awhile and trying to help new players get into the game but apparently ppl dont care if anyone new plays it so i'm having a break from here. Banging my head against a break wall and ppl just saying get gud it took me ages to learn so it should u too.

[rabbitfistssaipailo]

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@macgowan ,

Dude I read your last post ... The pyjamas bit was epic . I don't even know what to say anymore on this topic .

Only thing I can say is I'm going to be playing FIFA more often .

@ big cee ,

You are right ...and you have a right to be angry .

I'm starting to feel withdrawn from this game ...I've never invested so much in a game save for FIFA as in ufc 3 . And the direction it's going isn't to my liking .


I'm lost .

It's very ironic that the information macgowan gave rabbit ,in the adventures of Rabbit and Dave ( mystery of patch ) , is the exact reason I do not like this game .

Well will do more of lurking and liking than commenting .

Can't help thinking that lurch is laughing at us somewhere right now for laughing at him because of the patch .




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[OPSPunk]

Re: Is this an MMA game or Kickboxing game?

For me its not an issue of the learning curve. Any fan of MMA would know that its a complex sport.

The issue that the complexity doesn't match the complexity of the sport. My big issues that personally take me out of the immersion are:

1. block breaking more as you go forward
2. not being able to block and move your head at the same time
3. uppercuts countering takedown attempts
4. standing body knees not countering takedown attempts
5. Takedowns being ineffective against a whiff major strike or whiff strike from.a pressuring opponent.

[Morgan Monkman]

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Watching Dillon Danis doing his thing as a pure grappler during the Bellator show made me sad. I wish i could do that in UFC 3. I use to be able to do that in UFC 2.

I also wish the imanari roll worked great like it use to do in UFC 2. It’s worhtless now and never works. I have never completed it, even when my opponent had no stamina.

Its a beautiful animation that never gets used anymore. That was something GPD was proud of when he patched it in. Now it’s nerfed like everything else that has to do with grappling.

Big Ceel lets be real here, you are ranked #1 and have a second account in the top 10 and another on xbox.

You keep claiming the ground game is broken, yet you keep destroying guys and holding your spot.

The times i have fought you, you destroyed me on the ground, and as a stand up fighter when i come up against real good ground guys i am usually hooped.

So i find it hard to take your complaining seriously while you maintain the #1 spot on the game and i still continue to lose to ground guys.

IMO the ground game is terrible so i avoid it like the plague, its my own fault i am not the greatest at it because i refuse to fight there.

You've probably played this game more than anyone else, lets see a big detailed post with gifs explaining why you think the ground game is broken, instead of the complaining you keep posting.

No beef Cee, just saying...

[MacGowan]

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I don't get this. People who are bad at this game should "sit out". Now people who are too good at the game should "sit out".

Bigg Cee can't say he finds the grappling bad and broken, cuz he's good at it? eeeh?

I get what he's saying. I think people shy away from the grappling, Not cuz they hate all grappling in general but because they hate this game's grappling.

[Morgan Monkman]

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I don't get this. People who are bad at this game should "sit out". Now people who are too good at the game should "sit out".

Bigg Cee can't say he finds the grappling bad and broken, cuz he's good at it? eeeh?

I get what he's saying. I think people shy away from the grappling, Not cuz they hate all grappling in general but because they hate this game's grappling.

That's not what i said, all i asked for was for him to explain himself better. That's all.

Cee is likely one of the best ground guys yet his posts wouldn't give you that idea.

[FCB x Finlay]

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For me its not an issue of the learning curve. Any fan of MMA would know that its a complex sport.

The issue that the complexity doesn't match the complexity of the sport. My big issues that personally take me out of the immersion are:

1. block breaking more as you go forward
2. not being able to block and move your head at the same time
3. uppercuts countering takedown attempts
4. standing body knees not countering takedown attempts
5. Takedowns being ineffective against a whiff major strike or whiff strike from.a pressuring opponent.

Only one i disagree with is 3, uppercuts can couter takedowns