List of small stat changes that can improve fighter ranking accuracy

[UFCBlackbelt]

This is just a list of small things that I believe should be improved to increase the inaccuracies of fighters. It's to clean out the odd things in a fighter's attributes - I am taking into consideration performances too. For now I am just focusing on buffing/debuffing lower ranked fighters rather than going too deep into higher ranked fighters.

Featherweight

Myles Jury: BJJ Blackbelt, pretty good grappling

Increase bottom game: 85 -> 90
Submission Defense: 84 -> 89 (Subbed by Olivera, but Olivera is pretty legit)
Grapple Stamina: 87->89
Heart: 85->88 (he did lose to Cowboy but otherwise had a career of pretty good/average heart)

Darren Elkins
Power 83->86; I think 83 is a little unfair, he has mostly decisions so it shouldnt be that good but 83 is very low.

Chin: 85->88: Only one loss by a KO (other TKO was a cut); to Chad Mendes who is known to hit hard, holds up well overall.

Heart: 87->89; Bektic performance

Clay Guida:

Power: 85->87 ; Knocked Joe out in their last fight
Top Game: 87->89: Pretty good at controlling fighter's when he gets them down.
Striking Stamina: 87->89: Has a good gas tank
Chin: 84-> 87: Only 2 TKOS, one to Mendes
Body Strength: 85->88; Not sure why this is low
Legs: 85->88: Similar

[RomeroXVII]

Re: List of small stat changes that can improve fighter ranking accuracy

This is just a list of small things that I believe should be improved to increase the inaccuracies of fighters. It's to clean out the odd things in a fighter's attributes - I am taking into consideration performances too. For now I am just focusing on buffing/debuffing lower ranked fighters rather than going too deep into higher ranked fighters.

Featherweight

Myles Jury: BJJ Blackbelt, pretty good grappling

Increase bottom game: 85 -> 90
Submission Defense: 84 -> 89 (Subbed by Olivera, but Olivera is pretty legit)
Grapple Stamina: 87->89
Heart: 85->88 (he did lose to Cowboy but otherwise had a career of pretty good/average heart)

Darren Elkins
Power 83->86; I think 83 is a little unfair, he has mostly decisions so it shouldnt be that good but 83 is very low.

Chin: 85->88: Only one loss by a KO (other TKO was a cut); to Chad Mendes who is known to hit hard, holds up well overall.

Heart: 87->89; Bektic performance

Clay Guida:

Power: 85->87 ; Knocked Joe out in their last fight
Top Game: 87->89: Pretty good at controlling fighter's when he gets them down.
Striking Stamina: 87->89: Has a good gas tank
Chin: 84-> 87: Only 2 TKOS, one to Mendes
Body Strength: 85->88; Not sure why this is low
Legs: 85->88: Similar

This shall be the thread to show love for the lower rated fighters.

[AeroZeppelin27]

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Guidas power did get buffed in the last tuner, it was 83 from memory.

85 seems alright. Lauzons chin isn't much anymore.

I think GnP lvl 2 would suite better, that'd buff his GnP up to 87 power and keep his standup the same. I know Guida KO'd Lauzon on the feet but that's about the first time he's actually got a KO like that (atleast in his UFC career)

But overall that's the only change I'd argue with. The rest I'm all for.

I'd also like to add

Dan Hooker
+1-3 across the damned board almost.
Speed:87-89
Power:89-90
Accuracy:89-94

Health and Stam + 2-3 almost everywhere.

I honestly.feel his stats, even with the buff, still reflect his drained out FW performances.

The man has proven himself to be an absolute killer at 155 and I think he deserves an appropriate buff.

These are SUPER rough recommendations, I'd have to rewstch all his 155 performances to give extremely specific update recommendations but the man needs a buff.

Marlon got one. So I have faith.

Khabib
Power: 94-92

Ground and Pound Lvl 3 to GnP Lvl 5.

That way his GNP remains the same but his standup is a little less powerful.

Jim Miller
Attack the base lvl 2 or tree chopper lvl 2.

Jim has developed a naaaasty calf kick recently (See the Pettis and Poirier fights)

Lyoto Machida
Speed: 92-94
Power: 91-90
Chin/Body: 85-87

Machida should be all about fients fakes and quick, well placed single counters and naked kicks, I think a speed buff would help here, the damage drop is to compensate for this as from memory, his kicks and cross are high enough level to still be quite damaging.

Also whilst the Brunson fight made Machidas chin look quite questionable I don't think 85 is quite fair.

I don't really understand the 85 body either, but maybe I'm missing something.

These are just some recommendations I have, feel free to correct me if I've made some drastic mistakes, ill probably update this after I've rewatch a few of these guys recent fights.

[MacGowan]

Re: List of small stat changes that can improve fighter ranking accuracy

Darren Elkins is the epitome of heart.

[aholbert32]

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Good thread.

FYI, Heart doesnt mean what you guys think it does. Its the time it takes health to recover on your individual body parts when they are damage, and it also decreases the amount of time you experience a critical event.

Also Hooker should be up for a buff but comparing it to Marlon Moraes is a bit much. Moraes has back to back wins over top 10 BWs and a third over a top 15 BW. Hooker has some good wins but I dont think we can compare those.

[AeroZeppelin27]

Re: List of small stat changes that can improve fighter ranking accuracy

Good thread.

FYI, Heart doesnt mean what you guys think it does. Its the time it takes health to recover on your individual body parts when they are damage, and it also decreases the amount of time you experience a critical event.

Also Hooker should be up for a buff but comparing it to Marlon Moraes is a bit much. Moraes has back to back wins over top 10 BWs and a third over a top 15 BW. Hooker has some good wins but I dont think we can compare those.

I didn't mean it like that, I wasn't trying to compare their wins/streaks.

I'm just saying I hope he gets a buff with the attention that Moraes got, not just a striking buff cause he won by KO, but a good look at his stamina/health/grappling and all that and just a general reassessment.

I thought he (Moraes) got buffed in all the right areas and I'm hoping Hookers next is similar.
Not similar stat buffs, just similar quality.

Edit: Like I said in the OP.
Hookers stats really feel like they reflect his dried out FW performances.

Even if he is moved to LW his health and stamina wouldn't reflect the benefits of the easier weight cut, he obviously has better Cardio and seems to be able to walk through shots now, he ate some clean shots from Burns and just kept coming.

I realize I'm wearing rose tinted glasses, but its not too unfair to hope he gets a nice stat readjustment if he is finally moved to LW.

[Papadoc60]

Re: List of small stat changes that can improve fighter ranking accuracy

Good thread.

FYI, Heart doesnt mean what you guys think it does. Its the time it takes health to recover on your individual body parts when they are damage, and it also decreases the amount of time you experience a critical event.

Also Hooker should be up for a buff but comparing it to Marlon Moraes is a bit much. Moraes has back to back wins over top 10 BWs and a third over a top 15 BW. Hooker has some good wins but I dont think we can compare those.

Why the heck does Bisping have 99 heart then? I may be wrong on the number, but that guy got dropped by two welterweights consecutively. Wouldn't you say for all the reasons Bisping would have a high Heart rating, so should Elkins? I know comparing across divisions can be weird though. Heart would be like Bisping recovering from those Hendo bombs in their second fight, or the Anderson Silva flying knee right? Like Elkins taking those shots from Johnson in round 1, or getting dominated by Bektic and coming back.

[BARIK_]

Re: List of small stat changes that can improve fighter ranking accuracy

Man, anything less than 99 heart for Elkins is not accurate. Why cant a mid tier fighter have an over the charts quality?

[xtremeba1000]

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hooker needs like 93 power. His KO's look so brutal when the shot lands. I know they are gonna leave everything else low but at least get his power up.

[aholbert32]

Re: List of small stat changes that can improve fighter ranking accuracy

hooker needs like 93 power. His KO's look so brutal when the shot lands. I know they are gonna leave everything else low but at least get his power up.

I love when people just throw out random numbers. 93!

Ok so right now Hooker is a FW in the game. If we gave him a 93, he would have the 4th highest power in the division behind only Aldo, Conor and Mendes.

4th highest in the division based on KOs of Burns, J. Miller and Ross Pearson. Now none of those fighters are bums but do you really think he should be rated 4th in the division based on those wins?

He would be tied for 6th if they added him to LW which is the deepest division in the game.

I've suggested a buff for him but we should be careful with just throwing out random ratings.

[MeowingForVengeance]

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Why the heck does Bisping have 99 heart then? I may be wrong on the number, but that guy got dropped by two welterweights consecutively. Wouldn't you say for all the reasons Bisping would have a high Heart rating, so should Elkins? I know comparing across divisions can be weird though. Heart would be like Bisping recovering from those Hendo bombs in their second fight, or the Anderson Silva flying knee right? Like Elkins taking those shots from Johnson in round 1, or getting dominated by Bektic and coming back.

I'm a Bisping fan and love to use him in the game, but his crazy health stats never made sense to me. And also made him borderline OP because he feels so much harder to put away than anyone else in the division.

Thankfully, Icon Wandy came along to show me what OP really looks like, so now I can rock with The Count guilt-free!

[xtremeba1000]

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I love when people just throw out random numbers. 93!

Ok so right now Hooker is a FW in the game. If we gave him a 93, he would have the 4th highest power in the division behind only Aldo, Conor and Mendes.

4th highest in the division based on KOs of Burns, J. Miller and Ross Pearson. Now none of those fighters are bums but do you really think he should be rated 4th in the division based on those wins?

He would be tied for 6th if they added him to LW which is the deepest division in the game.

I've suggested a buff for him but we should be careful with just throwing out random ratings.

if you didn't increase any other stats then yes. It seems like they only change 1-2 stats a time usually. especially with lesser known fighters. Burns had never been KO'd and Miller had never been KO'd and was known for his durability ( Only had a TKO loss to cerrone)
I wasn't talking about his featherweight self. They should just remove him from featherweight completely. He wasn't even close to how he is now. Also you mentioned his ability to take a shot is better? How? He has never been KO'd or TKO'd. He lost 3 decisions in the ufc and that is it.
Thanks for at least saying he needs an increase though. He currently feels like trash. Not a dangerous KO artist with 5 KO's in the ufc and 3 of those in his last 4 fights.

[Find_the_Door]

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Nogueira

Chin 85 --> 89
Body 89 --> 90
Leg health 88 --> 92

One of the most enduring fighters of this generation or last. Extremely tough to put away in his prime. Never flinch at a leg kick and at several consecutively without issue - never had a problem with body shots either.

In his prime he did get dropped by Cro Cop, Fedor and Herring but none of them could finish him. 89 chin is fair all things considered especially with Hunt being a 90.


Sub defense 88 --> 89

Submitted by the other two best BJJ black belts of all-time (while not in his physical prime). One of the two that submitted him he did face them in his prime and dominated him in all facets.

When he did get subbed by Mir he displayed some of the most aggressive submission defense we've ever seen.

Strike Stamina 86 --> 89

Never had a problem gassing at any point in his career on the feet or mat.

Endurance 91 --> 94
Grapple stamina 91 --> 95

These are two areas that Nogueira is currently rated slightly above average when really it should be something that separates him from others.

He's elite in these categories. Go look at the Bob Sapp fight for example where he perseveres through a hellacious grapple fest and ultimately comes out on top. Never had an issue with cardio and it's one of his best feats really.

[HereticFighter]

Re: List of small stat changes that can improve fighter ranking accuracy

Nogueira

Chin 85 --> 89
Body 89 --> 90
Leg health 88 --> 92

One of the most enduring fighters of this generation or last. Extremely tough to put away in his prime. Never flinch at a leg kick and at several consecutively without issue - never had a problem with body shots either.

In his prime he did get dropped by Cro Cop, Fedor and Herring but none of them could finish him. 89 chin is fair all things considered especially with Hunt being a 90.


Sub defense 88 --> 89

Submitted by the other two best BJJ black belts of all-time (while not in his physical prime). One of the two that submitted him he did face them in his prime and dominated him in all facets.

When he did get subbed by Mir he displayed some of the most aggressive submission defense we've ever seen.

Strike Stamina 86 --> 89

Never had a problem gassing at any point in his career on the feet or mat.

Endurance 91 --> 94
Grapple stamina 91 --> 95

These are two areas that Nogueira is currently rated slightly above average when really it should be something that separates him from others.

He's elite in these categories. Go look at the Bob Sapp fight for example where he perseveres through a hellacious grapple fest and ultimately comes out on top. Never had an issue with cardio and it's one of his best feats really.

LOL don't use bob sapp as an example of anything good. hahaha. i think if we are going for in their prime stats for everyone, then your numbers are ok.

[Whiteshark209]

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I love when people just throw out random numbers. 93!

Ok so right now Hooker is a FW in the game. If we gave him a 93, he would have the 4th highest power in the division behind only Aldo, Conor and Mendes.

4th highest in the division based on KOs of Burns, J. Miller and Ross Pearson. Now none of those fighters are bums but do you really think he should be rated 4th in the division based on those wins?

He would be tied for 6th if they added him to LW which is the deepest division in the game.

I've suggested a buff for him but we should be careful with just throwing out random ratings.

He needs to be moved to lightweight. Any chance of this happening? I’d be ok with him having 91ish power