List of small stat changes that can improve fighter ranking accuracy

[aholbert32]

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He needs to be moved to lightweight. Any chance of this happening? I’d be ok with him having 91ish power

No idea.....

[Find_the_Door]

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LOL don't use bob sapp as an example of anything good. hahaha. i think if we are going for in their prime stats for everyone, then your numbers are ok.

Not using as a reference skill more so an excellent display of his grapple stamina and endurance.

Most guys would've died

[aholbert32]

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if you didn't increase any other stats then yes. It seems like they only change 1-2 stats a time usually. especially with lesser known fighters. Burns had never been KO'd and Miller had never been KO'd and was known for his durability ( Only had a TKO loss to cerrone)
I wasn't talking about his featherweight self. They should just remove him from featherweight completely. He wasn't even close to how he is now. Also you mentioned his ability to take a shot is better? How? He has never been KO'd or TKO'd. He lost 3 decisions in the ufc and that is it.
Thanks for at least saying he needs an increase though. He currently feels like trash. Not a dangerous KO artist with 5 KO's in the ufc and 3 of those in his last 4 fights.

Al Iaquinta - changed 4 stats
Charles Olivieria - changed 7 stats
Bektic- changed 4
Covington- 5
Guida- 4
Blachowicz -5
Theodeareau - 6
Amirikhani -5

Those are just in the last update. Tell me again how we only change 1-2 stats at a time.

Look if you think those KOs mean he is the 6th hardest hitting LW in that division....cool. I disagree but whatever.

[UFCBlackbelt]

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Al Iaquinta - changed 4 stats
Charles Olivieria - changed 7 stats
Bektic- changed 4
Covington- 5
Guida- 4
Blachowicz -5
Theodeareau - 6
Amirikhani -5

Those are just in the last update. Tell me again how we only change 1-2 stats at a time.

Look if you think those KOs mean he is the 6th hardest hitting LW in that division....cool. I disagree but whatever.

hey Aholbert, I dont want you to feel like you have to be attacked on this thread. That's why this thread is specifically about pretty agreeable oddities, I realized you can't catch a break sometimes from people arguing with you including from myself.

[aholbert32]

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hey Aholbert, I dont want you to feel like you have to be attacked on this thread. That's why this thread is specifically about pretty agreeable oddities, I realized you can't catch a break sometimes from people arguing with you including from myself.

Nah I dont feel attacked by this thread. There are some good suggestions here. Keep in mind that they dont usually update fighters if they havent fought recently. The good news for you is Jury and Elkins have fights Saturday and depending on their performance may be do for some changes.

[SMOKEZERO]

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John Lineker
Strike Stamina 88 to 91
Endurance 88 to 90


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[RomeroXVII]

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Aldo and Mendes.

Now most who know me know that out of all that fighters I use, I use Jose Aldo the most. So initially when I saw Jose Aldo's Stamina at 88 I was iffy on it.
Aldo only had trouble with the 4th and 5th rounds of a fight when he wasn't controlling the tempo, and even then, bar Max Holloway who's output and constant stance switching was a perfect foil to his Dutch Muay Thai Style, he has gone the distance successfully, and obviously much more than Yair.

So when I saw Yair Rodriguez's striking Stamina at 93 vs Aldo at 90, I was appalled. Who has Yair fought in a 5 rounder? Has there been anybody who put the pressure on Yair in a 3 rounder that made him work? Charles Rosa, which was a split decision victory? Alex Caceres, another Split Decision victory. We saw what happened when he was put up against Frankie Edgar, and yes although that was mainly a grappling beatdown, he was beat in most of the boxing exchanges with Frankie regardless that set up those takedowns.


Whereas Aldo's resumé and track record speaks for itself.


5 rounds with:
Mark Hominick (the fight everybody mentions about him gassing despite him having a terrible weight cut and winning 4 rounds handily.) 49-46

Uriah Faber (Leg Kick Brutality) 50-45 officially, many media outlets scored the fight 50-44 and even 50-43 for Aldo.

Kenny Florian (Who kept the pressure on Aldo throughout the fight and Aldo was still fresh by the end.) 48-47 for Aldo.

Beat Chang Sung Jung in Round 4, DESPITE breaking his foot with the first Leg Kick he threw, and was relatively fresh prior to the finish (yes I know Jung threw his arm out, Aldo was in control for 3 rounds regardless with a broken foot)

Ricardo Lamas (4 rounds cruise control, outstriking him, final round got reversed, mitigated any damage Lamas gave out from top position, easy 49-46 for Aldo.

Fight of the Year 2014 vs Chad Mendes

That fight alone speaks for itself.

Frankie Edgar (UFC 156 & 200)

Whereas Frankie's pace did help him win round 4 in their first meeting, Aldo shut Frankie down in their second, and won handily 49-46, 5 rounds easy breezy. And Frankie has 95 striking Stamina in the game, and an overall 94 Stamina.


Not asking for anything too crazy, but come on.
When Aldo is in control, the fight is his and his track record is obviously much better than Yair's.

93/94 Striking Stamina for Aldo is reasonable if you watch all of those fights. No way should Yair's striking stamina be at 93 until he fights somebody within the top 5-10. I can be alright with that if Aldo matches that. Hell, a boost in Toughness being that he beat Chang Sung Jung with a broken foot, and in both Holloway Losses fought till the bitter end. Featherweight Legend.

And like my case for Aldo, Mendes should NOT have 88 stamina for a MULTITUDE of reasons: The pace he generally fights at, his war with Aldo in which he went toe to toe with a striking beast, aside from those two setbacks to McGregor (on two weeks notice) and Edgar, he is undoubtedly one of the most fit fighters in the division (NCAA D1 Finalist at that), and a boost to his striking stamina to 91/92 and endurance to 90 would better represent that. His grappling is amazing, but show some respect to his endurance/stamina and striking ability.

ALSO, WHERE IS MUSTACHE ALDO >:C

[AeroZeppelin27]

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@Romero

Yairs striking stamina is 91, not 93, so its only 1pt higher.

And given the amount of kicks that guy can throw before he breaks a sweat its not really unfair, he's basically a windmill.

Whereas Also is a lot more paced. He doesn't control with constant output and pressure as much as the threat of him exploding on you/countering. Granted I haven't watched the Hominick, Mendes or Florian fights in years and my mental perception of Also is heavily based off the Holloway fights but still.

From memory his (Yair) grappling stamina is a lot lower at 85-6, so you can definitely grind him out.

Also, I'm not 100% but I'm pretty sure those buffs would give Aldo higher stamina than Holloway. Which.. yeah. Is obviously not right.

I'll double check that when I can but I'm sure Maxs striking stamina is only 93-94

Moustache Aldo is a moust, however.
That was an awful pun.. I should be shot.

[RomeroXVII]

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@Romero

Yairs striking stamina is 91, not 93, so its only 1pt higher.

And given the amount of kicks that guy can throw before he breaks a sweat its not really unfair, he's basically a windmill.

Whereas Also is a lot more paced. He doesn't control with constant output and pressure as much as the threat of him exploding on you/countering. Granted I haven't watched the Hominick, Mendes or Florian fights in years and my mental perception of Also is heavily based off the Holloway fights but still.

From memory his (Yair) grappling stamina is a lot lower at 85-6, so you can definitely grind him out.

Also, I'm not 100% but I'm pretty sure those buffs would give Aldo higher stamina than Holloway. Which.. yeah. Is obviously not right.

I'll double check that when I can but I'm sure Maxs striking stamina is only 93-94

Moustache Aldo is a moust, however.
That was an awful pun.. I should be shot.

At least you admit it's based on the perception of the Holloway fights, so I respect that. His head movement in the second fight before being ego driven to a brawl with Holloway was absolutely stellar in the first two rounds. My only wish is that he had gotten a full camp for that one as well.

Rewatch these fights (chronological order) : Aldo vs Frankie 1, Chang Sung Jung in where he uses grappling to make up for a broken foot, Lamas, FOTY with Mendes 2 where he literally catches a second wind in the 5th after dropping the only round he lost in Round 4 against him, and his UFC 200 bout against Frankie Edgar. That was post 13 second KO, in where he was the Underdog and Frankie was expected to beat him, Aldo lost the first round due to an activity and won the next four due to a stellar jab and maintaining his pace.

Of course if I were to go nuts with Aldo and throw a bunch of spinning things (lol) I should lose a considerable amount of stamina, however, if I'm fighting just like him at his best, keeping my opponent at bay, and using successful movement, I shouldn't be punished.
You can see in the second fight with Edgar, as the quickest, longest, and most efficient punch in Aldo's arsenal, the jab allows him to steal fractions of seconds from his opponent. As that jab is connecting, and the opponent is reacting to its impact--or working to avoid it--Aldo has a moment in which to adjust. He can take small steps with every jab, and consistently frustrate Edgar's efforts to slip in under and close the gap.

At his best, Aldo must control distance, take angles, and then use his defensive advantages to do damage.
Jose Aldo is a master of sending messages. When he fought Chad Mendes at UFC 179, for example, he stymied the aggressive power puncher's assault with a few choice bursts of reckless aggression. Despite being knocked down and staggered early on, Aldo ended up winning the first round, and scared Mendes off in the process. Though Chad had his moments throughout the rest of the fight, he was not able to make himself pressure the way he did at first.

Yair Rodriguez's Striking Stamina is at 93 my friend. So is Holloways, only difference is that Holloway gets more accurate the more combos you land, along if the guy he's fighting gets in a health event. I can settle for 91 for Aldo and I especially want some love for Chad Mendes as well. 90 for Mendes, along with a buff for his footwork, and head movement and blocking to 90. Negative Reinforcement Level 3 would be nice as well.


In terms for a lower rated character, Ross Pearson has to be shown some respect for his Head Movement. Has one of the best out there, needs at least a 93.


EDIT: MUSTACHE ALDO! >:C

[UFCBlackbelt]

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Something felt reallllly bad about Sage Northcutt. I feel like he should be faster, have to look at his stats but I felt like I was using a heavyweight. Im okay with him having bad grappling stats but his footwork is not bad.

[xtremeba1000]

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Al Iaquinta - changed 4 stats
Charles Olivieria - changed 7 stats
Bektic- changed 4
Covington- 5
Guida- 4
Blachowicz -5
Theodeareau - 6
Amirikhani -5

Those are just in the last update. Tell me again how we only change 1-2 stats at a time.

Look if you think those KOs mean he is the 6th hardest hitting LW in that division....cool. I disagree but whatever.

Dude, how do actual KO's not mean you hit really freaking hard? I would understand if they were all TKO's but literally they die when he knocks them out. If I one shot KO someone does that mean I don't hit hard and that I'm just good at something else?

[aholbert32]

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Dude, how do actual KO's not mean you hit really freaking hard? I would understand if they were all TKO's but literally they die when he knocks them out. If I one shot KO someone does that mean I don't hit hard and that I'm just good at something else?

This is a dumb *** argument. No one said he doesnt hit hard. I've already said he will likely get a buff. Just because you "hit hard" doesnt mean that there arent several other people in your division who hit harder.

His KOs came from kicks and knees which is an argument to buff those specific move levels not necessarily an argument to put his overall power (punches and kicks) on the level of the best fighters in the division in that category.

[Phillyboi207]

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This is a dumb *** argument. No one said he doesnt hit hard. I've already said he will likely get a buff. Just because you "hit hard" doesnt mean that there arent several other people in your division who hit harder.

His KOs came from kicks and knees which is an argument to buff those specific move levels not necessarily an argument to put his overall power (punches and kicks) on the level of the best fighters in the division in that category.

I dont understand the 2nd part. So if a guy gets a bunch of KOs with his punches doesnt that mean you could argue to just increase their punch move levels?

What is the rubric for power if not KOs and rockin someone?

[Nugget7211]

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I wouldn't be mad at Holloway having the highest striking stamina in the game tbh, I think he threw the most strikes in a single round in UFC history in the 3rd round of his 2nd Aldo fight.

I'm also of the opinion that Aldo's problems with gassing are overstated, it happened once in the Hominick fight and otherwise he's been fine late in fights, you can argue he faded against Lamas, but I'd consider controlling half the round being fine. I would probably bump his grapple stamina and endurance up by 2-3 points each, because I don't see why Aldo should have lower grappling stamina than Bektic and worse endurance than Yair.

Also, the correct term is Mexican Playboy Aldo, not moustache Aldo

Edit: Why is Yair more accurate than Aldo? I'm actually offended by this one point difference

[aholbert32]

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I dont understand the 2nd part. So if a guy gets a bunch of KOs with his punches doesnt that mean you could argue to just increase their punch move levels?

What is the rubric for power if not KOs and rockin someone?

Yes. Again, I'm not saying that Hooker doesnt deserve an overall power buff. In fact, I've said SEVERAL times that I'm in favor of giving him one. With that said, the power ratings are merged. So we have to be careful about bumping someone too much and overrating his power in areas it isnt deserved.

Given that his cleanest finishes have come from kicks and knees, my suggestion is a move level bump and a decent power bump. I have no input on the move levels but I've suggested a decent power bump for Hooker.

His rubric was KOs = equal hit hard = huge power buff and thats just dumb to me.

The rubric for me damage (cuts, swelling), KOs (whether it was a TKO or KO matters, whether it was a GNP TKO matters) and rocks. For example, I've suggested that DC get a slight bump in power based on the Stipe fight. Its not simply because of the KO. He did a significant amount of facial damage even before the KO. All of it works together.