List of small stat changes that can improve fighter ranking accuracy

[xtremeba1000]

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This is a dumb *** argument. No one said he doesnt hit hard. I've already said he will likely get a buff. Just because you "hit hard" doesnt mean that there arent several other people in your division who hit harder.

His KOs came from kicks and knees which is an argument to buff those specific move levels not necessarily an argument to put his overall power (punches and kicks) on the level of the best fighters in the division in that category.

How is it dumb? His KO on saturday was a left hook to the chin that he threw at half force after a left hook to the body, it killed burns and had him not knowing where he was. I understand why the nogueira obsessed guy makes you mad but dan hooker is becoming a relevant guy and I am just debating with you. Should Conor have low power because he is just accurate and has good timing on his punches but has no power in his kicks? Should Paulo not have high power because he only beat johnny hendricks and hall by tko and not KO? You always argue with me with such certainty that someone doesn't deserve better stats, when your argument has such a crazy double standard. I guess he has to literally kill someone in the octagon for you to think he has some of the best power in the division.

[xtremeba1000]

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Yes. Again, I'm not saying that Hooker doesnt deserve an overall power buff. In fact, I've said SEVERAL times that I'm in favor of giving him one. With that said, the power ratings are merged. So we have to be careful about bumping someone too much and overrating his power in areas it isnt deserved.

Given that his cleanest finishes have come from kicks and knees, my suggestion is a move level bump and a decent power bump. I have no input on the move levels but I've suggested a decent power bump for Hooker.

His rubric was KOs = equal hit hard = huge power buff and thats just dumb to me.

The rubric for me damage (cuts, swelling), KOs (whether it was a TKO or KO matters, whether it was a GNP TKO matters) and rocks. For example, I've suggested that DC get a slight bump in power based on the Stipe fight. Its not simply because of the KO. He did a significant amount of facial damage even before the KO. All of it works together.

Are you seriously trying to rate power on face damage?

[Phillyboi207]

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Yes. Again, I'm not saying that Hooker doesnt deserve an overall power buff. In fact, I've said SEVERAL times that I'm in favor of giving him one. With that said, the power ratings are merged. So we have to be careful about bumping someone too much and overrating his power in areas it isnt deserved.

Given that his cleanest finishes have come from kicks and knees, my suggestion is a move level bump and a decent power bump. I have no input on the move levels but I've suggested a decent power bump for Hooker.

His rubric was KOs = equal hit hard = huge power buff and thats just dumb to me.

The rubric for me damage (cuts, swelling), KOs (whether it was a TKO or KO matters, whether it was a GNP TKO matters) and rocks. For example, I've suggested that DC get a slight bump in power based on the Stipe fight. Its not simply because of the KO. He did a significant amount of facial damage even before the KO. All of it works together.

Ah okay that makes sense. I usually only hear you mention KOs so I was surprised by your response.

If anything I think Hooker’s strike speed should be low 90s. He has shown he’s on another level from low tier strikers.

Still waitin on Mendes 90 (at least 89)striking stamina btw lol.

[aholbert32]

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Ah okay that makes sense. I usually only hear you mention KOs so I was surprised by your response.

If anything I think Hooker’s strike speed should be low 90s. He has shown he’s on another level from low tier strikers.

Still waitin on Mendes 90 (at least 89)striking stamkna btw lol.

Lets see what he looks like on Saturday.

[aholbert32]

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Are you seriously trying to rate power on face damage?

I said it plays a role. But why am I talking to you about this? You just suggested giving someone a boost in hand power based on KOs he got from kicking and kneeing people. LOL.

[xtremeba1000]

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I said it plays a role. But why am I talking to you about this? You just suggested giving someone a boost in hand power based on KOs he got from kicking and kneeing people. LOL.

Ahhh, I get it. You don't watch the fights. You missed the left hook KO. Maybe you should get fight pass so you can know what we are talking about.

[xtremeba1000]

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I said it plays a role. But why am I talking to you about this? You just suggested giving someone a boost in hand power based on KOs he got from kicking and kneeing people. LOL.

Also, hand and foot/knee power are mixed sooooo... I guess ngannou, mcgregor, DC needs lower power.

[aholbert32]

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Ahhh, I get it. You don't watch the fights. You missed the left hook KO. Maybe you should get fight pass so you can know what we are talking about.

Lol. I watched the fight. I saw the strike. Technically that was a Ruled a TKO. You said he had multiple KOs. All his KOs have been from kicks or knees.

You think that he should get increased hand power because of his kicks and knees or you think he should be a 93 because he knocked out Gilbert Burns with a punch. That’s fine. I don’t agree. So I’m moving on.

Hopefully you will get what you want.


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[xtremeba1000]

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Lol. I watched the fight. I saw the strike. Technically that was a Ruled a TKO. You said he had multiple KOs. All his KOs have been from kicks or knees.

You think that he should get increased hand power because of his kicks and knees or you think he should be a 93 because he knocked out Gilbert Burns with a punch. That’s fine. I don’t agree. So I’m moving on.

Hopefully you will get what you want.


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I am really curious how you keep bringing up hand power like that is a stat in itself. You would think you would know it is not considering that is your job. I guess not though.
One last thing, Conor Mcgregor only has one KO in the UFC... So if TKO's don't count why is his "hand power" so high?????????????????????????????????????????????? ????

[aholbert32]

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I am really curious how you keep bringing up hand power like that is a stat in itself. You would think you would know it is not considering that is your job. I guess not though.
One last thing, Conor Mcgregor only has one KO in the UFC... So if TKO's don't count why is his "hand power" so high?????????????????????????????????????????????? ????

My job?.......LOL! Anyway, I'm gonna put you on ignore and continue to discuss ratings with people who have the intelligence to have a reasoned discussion about ratings. Have a nice one.

[xtremeba1000]

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My job?.......LOL! Anyway, I'm gonna put you on ignore and continue to discuss ratings with people who have the intelligence to have a reasoned discussion about ratings. Have a nice one.

Pretty funny how you wanna discuss stats then when someone discusses stats you get mad and quit.
I use logic and evidence to make an argument. You just say " 5 KO wins in the ufc doesn't mean you have power, because power only means hand power which is not a separate stat but I'm going to pretend it is. Also TKO's don't count unless I want them to. Oh, you don't agree? OMG you must not be intelligent"
makes a lot of sense man. Great discussion skills. I asked many questions and got no answers. Just snide remarks trying to insult me or discredit the valid points I made.

[aholbert32]

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Pretty funny how you wanna discuss stats then when someone discusses stats you get mad and quit.
I use logic and evidence to make an argument. You just say " 5 KO wins in the ufc doesn't mean you have power, because power only means hand power which is not a separate stat but I'm going to pretend it is. Also TKO's don't count unless I want them to. Oh, you don't agree? OMG you must not be intelligent"
makes a lot of sense man. Great discussion skills. I asked many questions and got no answers. Just snide remarks trying to insult me or discredit the valid points I made.

What’s funny is I’ve discussed stats with every one in this thread including you without getting mad. I’ll continue to do so with everyone....but you.

I’m not gonna waste my time with someone who struggles with reading comprehension and mischaracterizes my comments. So I’m good. You can keep posting. I just won’t respond to you.


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[RomeroXVII]

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I wouldn't be mad at Holloway having the highest striking stamina in the game tbh, I think he threw the most strikes in a single round in UFC history in the 3rd round of his 2nd Aldo fight.

I'm also of the opinion that Aldo's problems with gassing are overstated, it happened once in the Hominick fight and otherwise he's been fine late in fights, you can argue he faded against Lamas, but I'd consider controlling half the round being fine. I would probably bump his grapple stamina and endurance up by 2-3 points each, because I don't see why Aldo should have lower grappling stamina than Bektic and worse endurance than Yair.

Also, the correct term is Mexican Playboy Aldo, not moustache Aldo

Edit: Why is Yair more accurate than Aldo? I'm actually offended by this one point difference

You Nugget. I like you. Reasonable.

[xtremeba1000]

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What’s funny is I’ve discussed stats with every one in this thread including you without getting mad. I’ll continue to do so with everyone....but you.

I’m not gonna waste my time with someone who struggles with reading comprehension and mischaracterizes my comments. So I’m good. You can keep posting. I just won’t respond to you.


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Huh, seems like you freaked out when I suggested a 4 point increase for someone in one stat.

[xtremeba1000]

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At least you admit it's based on the perception of the Holloway fights, so I respect that. His head movement in the second fight before being ego driven to a brawl with Holloway was absolutely stellar in the first two rounds. My only wish is that he had gotten a full camp for that one as well.

Rewatch these fights (chronological order) : Aldo vs Frankie 1, Chang Sung Jung in where he uses grappling to make up for a broken foot, Lamas, FOTY with Mendes 2 where he literally catches a second wind in the 5th after dropping the only round he lost in Round 4 against him, and his UFC 200 bout against Frankie Edgar. That was post 13 second KO, in where he was the Underdog and Frankie was expected to beat him, Aldo lost the first round due to an activity and won the next four due to a stellar jab and maintaining his pace.

Of course if I were to go nuts with Aldo and throw a bunch of spinning things (lol) I should lose a considerable amount of stamina, however, if I'm fighting just like him at his best, keeping my opponent at bay, and using successful movement, I shouldn't be punished.
You can see in the second fight with Edgar, as the quickest, longest, and most efficient punch in Aldo's arsenal, the jab allows him to steal fractions of seconds from his opponent. As that jab is connecting, and the opponent is reacting to its impact--or working to avoid it--Aldo has a moment in which to adjust. He can take small steps with every jab, and consistently frustrate Edgar's efforts to slip in under and close the gap.

At his best, Aldo must control distance, take angles, and then use his defensive advantages to do damage.
Jose Aldo is a master of sending messages. When he fought Chad Mendes at UFC 179, for example, he stymied the aggressive power puncher's assault with a few choice bursts of reckless aggression. Despite being knocked down and staggered early on, Aldo ended up winning the first round, and scared Mendes off in the process. Though Chad had his moments throughout the rest of the fight, he was not able to make himself pressure the way he did at first.

Yair Rodriguez's Striking Stamina is at 93 my friend. So is Holloways, only difference is that Holloway gets more accurate the more combos you land, along if the guy he's fighting gets in a health event. I can settle for 91 for Aldo and I especially want some love for Chad Mendes as well. 90 for Mendes, along with a buff for his footwork, and head movement and blocking to 90. Negative Reinforcement Level 3 would be nice as well.


In terms for a lower rated character, Ross Pearson has to be shown some respect for his Head Movement. Has one of the best out there, needs at least a 93.


EDIT: MUSTACHE ALDO! >:C

Be careful mentioning 93 ratings...