Striking FEINTS issues + How to fix it

**dfab14** · 08-17-2018, 02:59 PM

Re: Striking FEINTS issues + How to fix it

I would love for feints to have less stamina tax. I try to incorporate them into my playstyle but the stamina tax makes it impossible to stick with them through a whole fight. It's just feels like a wasted energy most of the time.

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**Phillyboi207** · 08-17-2018, 03:03 PM

Re: Striking FEINTS issues + How to fix it

Agree with less stamina tax

Also there are strikes that cant be feinted which doesnt make sense

**dfab14** · 08-17-2018, 03:04 PM

Re: Striking FEINTS issues + How to fix it

That and they count as missed strikes which inflates the strike total

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**RomeroXVII** · 08-18-2018, 04:34 AM

Re: Striking FEINTS issues + How to fix it

Originally posted by SUGATA

How often are you using Strike Feints in EA UFC 3?...

EA UFC 3 current Strike FEINT MECHANICS:

 FEINT - [during Strike’s startup beginning] (may holding) press Block – Strike cancel into Feint.
Feint has not any effect on follow up strikes attributes: no speed or damage multipliers.
Possible to Feint ANY strike of a Hard/Soft Combo (and even several strikes or even ALL EVERY strikes of one Combo) by click the Block button after inputting the button press for a strike, and continue the Combo - w/o loosing anything of Hard/Soft Combo properties!
Examples:
1f-2-5-2
1-2-5f-2
1-2f-5-2f
1f-2f-5f-2f

Feint ST Stamina cost = this Strike ST Stamina cost w/o whiff:
- strike is input, you immediately are taxed the execution ST Stamina cost of the strike
- if the strike is Feinted, the Feint interrupts the strike with NO additional ST Stamina cost. Do NOT Feint powerful ST Stamina consuming strikes b/c will cost the same large ST Stamina!
- if the strike Whiffs, you are taxed an additional Whiff penalty which is what was increased with the patch.

Feint Usage:
- to get your Block up faster if you realize you made a mistake
- you can cancel to Feint
- you can queue up (buffering) a Strike cancel in a Combo to try and bait an opponent’s Sway/Step and catch your opponent.
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ISSUE #1 - Feint has not any effect on follow up strikes attributes: no speed or damage multipliers.
So, what is the reason to Feint? It is only psychological baiting, BUT this works IRL, but in the game where you dont see your opponent's eyes/reactions it will not work this way so good.

> Buff follow up Strike after the Feint. How?
- possibly by shorter Strike startup by 2-4 frames (as we have in Swaying strikes)
- by increasing Power (usually follow up strike after a Feint is accented strike, in EA UFC3 all ur strike ARE accented - this is WRONG and UNREALISTIC, increasing by 0.3 for example strike damage or stopping power will help!).

ISSUE #2 (which are breaking feints usage) - Feint ST Stamina cost = this Strike ST Stamina cost w/o whiff.
It mean of i want to feint my (powerful and 30% stamina cost) Flying knee i will PAY THE SAME 30% Stamina cost for this - for TIPTOE! Just look on powerful strike's Feint animation - it will never cost the same huge Stamina tax IRL!
This is breaking Feints usage (too much costs) and bs unrealistic!

> Make permanent ONE FOR ALL types of Feints (strike types) low (as Jab) Stamina tax OR remove Stamina tax for Feints at all. Even if you will need to instantly return removed on input stamina value.
Why? because Feinted strike is ALWAYS a planned strike (it is NOT a cancelled of failed strike) , so the fighter initially never will deposit much stamina and energy in it.

ISSUE #3 (discussed before) - Feints are counting as Strikes.
This is not right from any aspects and does not exist IRL in judging stats.

> Possibly it does not take effect on Decision by judges, but Missed/Landed strikes is an important stats anyway for many players, and i hope devs will fix it - any strike cancelled on early startup by Block is NOT counting as Strike in stats results.

> I created 1.5 year ago a thread about Feints evolving - it has some ideas how to evolve Feint further:
https://forums.operationsports.com/f...scussions.html

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Your reaction like this:
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... Otherwise, you will force somebody to use more trolling to appeal your attention/response =).

If you feint a jab and throw a rear hook it comes out faster. Definitely agree there should be less of a stamina tax on feints, along with other things.

**SUGATA** · 01-07-2019, 05:54 PM

Re: Striking FEINTS issues + How to fix it

Found a new BUG:

BUG with FEINT STRIKE in GA cost: During mid strike opponent is getting GA (you get GDA). Strike Feints creates the SAME GDA (grapple disadvantage) as Full amplitude and full to the end motion strike. This is WRONG! It must to be FIXED! Feint strike (for ex Leg kick) must cost a bit of GA loosing.

So, Feints are SUICIDAL now. Saw Feint - go to Grappling move (TD or Clinch).

**AeroZeppelin27** · 01-08-2019, 12:25 AM

Re: Striking FEINTS issues + How to fix it

We need to be able to queue feints off minor lunges and queue minor lunges of feints.

You can queue strikes off minor lunges and minor lunges off strikes but not feints.

I'd give my left nut to see this changed (enticing deal, I know)

**AeroZeppelin27** · 01-08-2019, 12:28 AM

Re: Striking FEINTS issues + How to fix it

Originally posted by Phillyboi207

Agree with less stamina tax

Also there are strikes that cant be feinted which doesnt make sense

I believe the only strikes that can't be feinted now are Axe kicks and the rear ? Kick.

You definitely should be able to cancel them. I agree. But most of the other ones have been fixed AFAIK (Switch kick, wonder boys unique strikes, ect.)

**SUGATA** · 01-08-2019, 08:01 AM

Re: Striking FEINTS issues + How to fix it

Originally posted by AeroZeppelin27

We need to be able to queue feints off minor lunges and queue minor lunges of feints.

You can queue strikes off minor lunges and minor lunges off strikes but not feints.

I'd give my left nut to see this changed (enticing deal, I know)

Tested now.

You CAN queue (chaining) between STRIKE Feint <> any Lunge.

But

can NOT queue TD feint > Lunge, but can Lunge > TD Feint.

**Boiler569** · 01-10-2019, 07:05 PM

Re: Striking FEINTS issues + How to fix it

In the latest LEC I had someone end my win streak in the 40s by spamming strike feints like a madman.

On one hand, I was glad to fight someone who actually used feints well.

On the other hand, the dude was pretty much tweaking out the whole time. Had to have thrown 80 strikes AND 80 feints all in the first round (as a Light Heavyweight!).

Many of those feints / cancelled strikes were more than 50% of the way through the animation .... which I would consider a Poorly Executed Strike more than a Well Executed Feint .... but all this activity didn't seem to drain his stamina very much, or leave him vulnerable to certain strikes/etc.

Seemed pretty cheeze & arcadey to me....but I DO want feints to be a very viable strategy ... so hope they look into your post & the topic at large, SUGATA keep up the great work man

**bogeyj** · 01-10-2019, 07:58 PM

Re: Striking FEINTS issues + How to fix it

feints are fine imo and don't need to be fixed. they're a major part of my game.

**SUGATA** · 01-12-2019, 09:48 AM

Re: Striking FEINTS issues + How to fix it

Originally posted by bogeyj

feints are fine imo and don't need to be fixed. they're a major part of my game.

Unfortunately they are not.

Details with proofs - in my 1st thread open post.

Feints are "good" only until the opponent dont know your vulnerabilities DURING your feint in that condition as feints exists now (during your Feints: loose large stamina, loose large GA, suffering from increased Vulnerability, NO profit to follow up strike so why we need other strike's feints and also this is unrealistic).
FEINT is a PLANNED action, and so Feint must NOT to loose all these things during it in large value at least! This is unrealistic and breaks gameplay usage of feints.

RESUME: Strike Feints are broken, unbalanced and unrealistic now!
Feints has unbalanced Risk/Reward value (much risker), so they are suicidal as i said above (if you become predictable).
Strike Feints issue in short - they has THE SAME strike cons as the FULLY COMPLETED Strike while feints are just maximum a 1/3 of fully completed strike.
Btw, TD feints has NOT this issues (much smaller Stamina cost than full TD attempt).

**ysjoooji** · 01-16-2019, 10:30 PM

Re: Striking FEINTS issues + How to fix it

Originally posted by SUGATA

Found a new BUG:

BUG with FEINT STRIKE in GA cost: During mid strike opponent is getting GA (you get GDA). Strike Feints creates the SAME GDA (grapple disadvantage) as Full amplitude and full to the end motion strike. This is WRONG! It must to be FIXED! Feint strike (for ex Leg kick) must cost a bit of GA loosing.

So, Feints are SUICIDAL now. Saw Feint - go to Grappling move (TD or Clinch).

I like the movement of Feint. I use it frequently. Actual players fight while interwoven with Feint. I understood the reason why the stamina was exhausted all the time as I was fighting for the first time. I understand why my character reduces the total amount of stamina earlier than opponent.

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