EA Sports UFC 3 Content Update #8 Available Now - Patch Notes Here

**xtremeba1000** · 08-20-2018, 01:58 PM

Re: Patch spoilers discussion

Originally posted by AeroZeppelin27

I've got a pretty soild prediction for a new fighter addition.

Dan Hooker at Lightweight.
He's already beat 5 lightweights that are in game, almost as hard as I'm beating this drum.

I'm guessing Big Mac and Sugar are high possibilities, along with Stamman and Groovy Lando.

So I'm expecting a mix of those 3 + LW Dan Hooker.

However, I'm secrectly praying for David Branch, Stylebender, Tuivasa and LW Dan Hooker, but I realise all but one of these are unlikely.

Your for Dan hooker at lightweight I’m for Dan hooker stat boost.

**cal7_11** · 08-20-2018, 02:01 PM

Re: Patch spoilers discussion

Originally posted by Reinfarcements

If they are stuffing all your takedowns and you have a feeling they are pre-denying then throw some head strikes. When he starts blocking all your head strikes, set up a TD.

If he blocks all of your strikes and denies all your takedowns, its likely he is not pre-denying, and that he is just better at TD-Defense then you are at TD-Offense.

Look I know its not ideal without an animation (I want one too), but this change IS putting pre-denyers at a disadvantage on the feet, since they cannot block either high or low. This in turn will discourage a lot of people from pre-denying if you capatalize on this disadvantage. I don't see how you can disagree with that much at least.

The ability to fake a TD would allow us to bait out pre-denyers even more, complimenting this change immensely. #hopefullyapatchspoiler #stillhopingforragdollspoilers

I’m not disagreeing with everything. I agree it’s ‘better’ but without the animation (which I know you said you’d prefer too) its just a guessing game whether they are pre denying and doesn’t give them a disadvantage.

With an animation this system would actually be brilliant. It would stop pre denyers straight away as they would just get picked apart.

**Blackman316** · 08-20-2018, 02:04 PM

Re: Patch spoilers discussion

Originally posted by Yaari

Really liking the patch spoilers, and I am fully expecting Brock Lesnar to make his return.

Just make sure his stats are realistic.

He should go down after 3 consecutive superman punches, but not knocked out, so I'm calling for 90 chin.

**SUGATA** · 08-20-2018, 02:06 PM

Re: Patch spoilers discussion

QUESTIONS to Devs about patch spoilers:

1)

Reduce the size of the input window for catch kicks, making them harder to perform.

VS Round Body kicks/Knees/Kicks transformed into Knees on close distance (for ex. Front Body kicks or Head kicks) – [on its Execution/Startup phase] (may holding) L2+R2. [If before Startup] (may holding) L2+R2 - will be Blocking, NO Catch kick.
VS Front Body kicks/Straight trajectory kicks – [no timing] (holding) L2+R2 - it's automatic with Low block, no timing necessary.

Right now only Round Body kicks/Knees/Kicks into Knee require timing.
Does Front Body kicks/Straight kicks still NOT require timing at all - you can pre-emptively hold L2+R2 to catch them?

2)

Added the ability to stay down during an active knockdown by pressing down on the right stick

dont you think that it will be better (more intuitive, logical, ergonomical) to NOT stand up at all from ANY KD w/o clicking RS Up after i touched the grund when i want it and wanted moment?

3)

One follow up detail on this, if you pre-deny a takedown you can still block low immediately, but won't be able to block high for about half a second. And if you pre-deny clinch you'll still be able to block high, but won't be able to block low for about half a second.

emmm, Do we have TD or Clinch attempts FEINTS already for this baiting? we had it in prev UFC 1-2 games, but it was removed from UFC 3...

You still allowing pre-emptive denial in standing. Why we dont have it on the ground and in the clinch but have it i stand up? this is 1. not logical, 2. this restricted skill in grappling game and nerf grapplers (even genuine TD setup/preparation will be broken my simple primitive holding denial all the time or after every strike permanently).

4)

Removed minor duck. All forward sways will now do the major duck regardless of input timing

MINOR FWD Sway – is ONLY be useful for fighters who are shorter than his opponent (not if taller or even the same).

Why you are cutting short vs long reach elements from the game , which brough diversity and depth into gameplay?!

5)

Block counters are guaranteed to land before you opponent can get their block up to defend them, or before any strike combo'd off the blocked strike would land. They can however be slipped or lunged

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Added block counter strikes. Lead hook block counter to any hook or overhand that lands on your lead side block. Same side uppercut counter to any blocked body hook.

This is very difficult, not intuitive.
Lets talk simpler:
1. Any Hook or overhand that lands on my Lead side block - counter it by any strike with execution <=20 frames
 https://forums.operationsports.com/f...mage-data.html
Yes? If not then why body versions or jab, straight can not to counter? what is your logic basement?

2. Any blocked body hook - counter it by any strike with execution <= 20frames
Yes? if not, why other strike which are faster can not be a counter?

TOO MANY NOT INTUITIVE NOT LOGICAL Sometime META - i dont see any reason why other strikes except named can not be a counter....
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I think , here is a problem - huge Meta, which is not always come from logic and intuitive principles (so may be discovered by the players themselves) BUT needs to be searched very long time, accumulated and scrum it again and again.

The right game must to have:
1. Basement rules-mechanics
2. frame data
> so, the players themselves were able to discover ALL special cases by logic, math, physics... NOT by scrumming +100500 unnatural mini rules for every strike and situation - this is impossible .
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**TheRizzzle** · 08-20-2018, 02:12 PM

Re: Patch spoilers discussion

Originally posted by AydinDubstep

And Dan Hardy.

Maybe Dan Miller? Even a Daniel Sarafian?

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**aholbert32** · 08-20-2018, 02:13 PM

Re: Patch spoilers discussion

Originally posted by TheRizzzle

Maybe Dan Miller? Even a Daniel Sarafian?

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Jesus. How many fighters are you guys expecting? lol.

**AeroZeppelin27** · 08-20-2018, 02:16 PM

Re: Patch spoilers discussion

Originally posted by xtremeba1000

Your for Dan hooker at lightweight I’m for Dan hooker stat boost.

Oh I'm all for another Hooker stat boost, his grappling could've been buffed for the Diakiase fight, his chin could be higher, Gilbert Burns hits like a truck.and Hooker walked through his shots.

He still needs the 3b-3 boxing combo he finished Burns with, I could go on and on (but I'd be rehashing what I've already posted to the stat thread)

But at this point his stats aren't as off as his weight, and if there isn't much noise made about it, then it may not happen. And that would suuuck.

**AeroZeppelin27** · 08-20-2018, 02:23 PM

Re: Patch spoilers discussion

Originally posted by TheRizzzle

Maybe Dan Miller? Even a Daniel Sarafian?

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With Dan Severn on top!

**Reinfarcements** · 08-20-2018, 02:25 PM

Re: Patch spoilers discussion

Originally posted by cal7_11

I’m not disagreeing with everything.

My bad I guess this threw me off:

Originally posted by cal7_11

Disagree entirely.

**cal7_11** · 08-20-2018, 02:30 PM

Re: Patch spoilers discussion

Originally posted by Reinfarcements

My bad I guess this threw me off:

Yeah poor choice of words initially from me. We are kinda stuck in a half way house with this new system (granted we haven’t actually played with it yet)

Either stop the ability to pre deny entirely or give us an animation (with this new system) so we can see if they are pre denying and we can then pick them apart.

**Solid_Altair** · 08-20-2018, 02:37 PM

Re: Patch spoilers discussion

Originally posted by SUGATA

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This is very difficult, not intuitive.
Lets talk simpler:
1. Any Hook or overhand that lands on my Lead side block - counter it by any strike with execution <=20 frames
 https://forums.operationsports.com/f...mage-data.html
Yes? If not then why body versions or jab, straight can not to counter? what is your logic basement?

2. Any blocked body hook - counter it by any strike with execution <= 20frames
Yes? if not, why other strike which are faster can not be a counter?

TOO MANY NOT INTUITIVE NOT LOGICAL Sometime META - i dont see any reason why other strikes except named can not be a counter....
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I think , the here is a problem - huge Meta, which is not always come from logic and intuitive principles (so may be discovered my the players themselves) BUT needs to be searched very long time, accumulated and scrum it again and again.

The right game must to have:
1. Basement rules-mechanics
2. frame data
> so, the players themselves were able to discover ALL special cases by logic, math, physics... NOT by scrumming +100500 unnatural mini rules for every strike and situation - this is impossible .
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Think of the block counters as special stances in arcade games.

**SUGATA** · 08-20-2018, 02:50 PM

Re: Patch spoilers discussion

Originally posted by Solid_Altair

Think of the block counters as special stances in arcade games.

No, it is not.
The closest term is REVERSAL from NRS games - attacks that can be buffered and launhces immediately after blocking opponent's strike w/o any delay (even more , skipping 1 frame from counter startup).

But in GPD's situation it is Reversal PUNISHMENT b/c is guaranteed to land as i get.

Problem is in recognizing which strikes CAN be such Reversal punishment and which can NOT.

**TheRizzzle** · 08-20-2018, 02:53 PM

Re: Patch spoilers discussion

Originally posted by aholbert32

Jesus. How many fighters are you guys expecting? lol.

A full Dan DLC. Nothing less will be acceptable.

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**GameplayDevUFC** · 08-20-2018, 03:04 PM

Re: Patch spoilers discussion

Originally posted by SUGATA

i dont see any reason why other strikes except named can not be a counter....

Because the arm and hand position after blocking these particular strikes matches the posing of a hook with the wind up cut out.

It's absolutely intuitive and realistic to the sport. Firing off any other strike early from this situation would not make sense.

Same with the uppercut counters. A low body side block puts your hands and hips in the perfect position to fire off an uppercut immediately without any adjustment.

This is about as intuitive as it gets.

Try in out yourself in real life. Especially the body ones. It feels natural. And it happens in boxing/MT/MMA.

**aholbert32** · 08-20-2018, 03:07 PM

Re: Patch spoilers discussion

Originally posted by TheRizzzle

A full Dan DLC. Nothing less will be acceptable.

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Ok I'm gonna get in trouble for this but I need to say it.

The upcoming patch will not be an all Dan DLC.

I'm sorry. I asked the devs to do it but they said no.

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