Why can people play like terminators

[Haz_____]

Re: Why can people play like terminators

As someone who definitely wants realism I think most of y’all are making some poor arguments for it.

Pro-unrealistic stamina crowd brought up a great counter point that the blocking is also unrealistic. I havent seen a single counter to that point.

You guys are literally just holding block and expecting it to gas your opponents. In real life you’d be finished in the first everytime just from accumulated damage if that’s all you did.

Y’all gotta learn distance management, cage control, and how to use lunges/slips. Add in body work and you’ll always gas an overzealous opponent.

Please stop. I use all the tools. Whether there is a counter is not even the arguement. That's not the point at all. The point, and the arguement being made, is that it shouldnt even be possible to begin with.

Whether it can be beaten is completely irrelevant.

[aholbert32]

Re: Why can people play like terminators

As someone who definitely wants realism I think most of y’all are making some poor arguments for it.

Pro-unrealistic stamina crowd brought up a great counter point that the blocking is also unrealistic. I havent seen a single counter to that point.

You guys are literally just holding block and expecting it to gas your opponents. In real life you’d be finished in the first everytime just from accumulated damage if that’s all you did.

Y’all gotta learn distance management, cage control, and how to use lunges/slips. Add in body work and you’ll always gas an overzealous opponent.

Couldnt agree with this post more. With that said, I think what I bolded is a bad characterization. I dont see their position as anti realism. I see it as pro-game.

I do sometimes wish that EA could release a version of the game that was as strictly realistic as they claim to want. Not only would you gas if you kept a pace of 100 strikes a round, the block would break down as real life blocks do, the striker would lose a decent amount of stamina just because they hit someone while blocking and one punch power was increased (this is an idea i want).

I wonder how quickly the complaints would come when there were never any decisions online or when people were getting finished in the first round all the time.

I'm pro realism. I base the stats I suggest on that. With that said, my sliders offline arent the most realistic (lower power/slightly more stamina). Why? Because I care more about the results than the minutia. Id rather see a realistic number of decisions. I dont want fighters to gas in the 3rd round in EVERY fight. I want some fights that are high paced and some that are slow paced. If i throw 110 strikes with someone like Diaz or Cain, its not the end of the world to me.

Anyway, continue on with the arguments.

[Lauriedr1ver]

Re: Why can people play like terminators

Pro-unrealistic stamina crowd brought up a great counter point that the blocking is also unrealistic. I havent seen a single counter to that point.

You guys are literally just holding block and expecting it to gas your opponents. In real life you’d be finished in the first everytime just from accumulated damage if that’s all you did.

Y’all gotta learn distance management, cage control, and how to use lunges/slips. Add in body work and you’ll always gas an overzealous opponent.

What was the great point I seem to have missed it. Secondly I think the assumption that players dont know how to play the game is pretty shady. Players developing there skills is obviously a neccasary aspect but just assuming that and then using that as an argument is poor.

Moving away from that assumption would help this discussion. Instead of attacking someones ability attack their arguments. This was the same argument we faced when we were arguing for movement additions, no need to do the same thing.

[Lauriedr1ver]

Re: Why can people play like terminators

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I'm pro realism. I base the stats I suggest on that. With that said, my sliders offline arent the most realistic (lower power/slightly more stamina). Why? Because I care more about the results than the minutia. Id rather see a realistic number of decisions. I dont want fighters to gas in the 3rd round in EVERY fight. I want some fights that are high paced and some that are slow paced. If i throw 110 strikes with someone like Diaz or Cain, its not the end of the world to me.

Anyway, continue on with the arguments.

From my perspective I think its down the missing essential elements in the game, of course the game will have unrealistic results if the things that stop these from happening arent in the game.

[aholbert32]

Re: Why can people play like terminators

What was the great point I seem to have missed it. Secondly I think the assumption that players dont know how to play the game is pretty shady. Players developing there skills is obviously a neccasary aspect but just assuming that and then using that as an argument is poor.

Moving away from that assumption would help this discussion. Instead of attacking someones ability attack their arguments. This was the same argument we faced when we were arguing for movement additions, no need to do the same thing.

He didnt say they dont know how to play the game though. He said that they arent using all of the tools that are available. Ive seen what happens when mindlessly aggressive people face people who use the defensive tools AND counter....the aggressive people typically lose and lose badly.

That wasnt the case at release. That wasnt the case 6 mos ago. It is the case now that the tools have been made available. You cant complain about aggression if you are primarily using block with the occasional lean/lunge and not countering (as Love This Life's first stats showed).

[jigsaw736]

Re: Why can people play like terminators

I’m getting online ... if anyone wants to show me what this terminator style looks like and why it’s OP . Please send me a invite

[aholbert32]

Re: Why can people play like terminators

From my perspective I think its down the missing essential elements in the game, of course the game will have unrealistic results if the things that stop these from happening arent in the game.

I think you are misunderstanding me. I'm happy with the results I see offline (maybe too many subs but thats because I use simple subs). Most appear to be happy with the variety of results they see online (with the exception of quick KOs in round 1).

No one is happy with seeing 150 strikes a round but there are things you can do to prevent that type of play and also there are times that you have to accept that its still a video game.

[Lauriedr1ver]

Re: Why can people play like terminators

He didnt say they dont know how to play the game though. He said that they arent using all of the tools that are available. Ive seen what happens when mindlessly aggressive people face people who use the defensive tools AND counter....the aggressive people typically lose and lose badly.

That wasnt the case at release. That wasnt the case 6 mos ago. It is the case now that the tools have been made available. You cant complain about aggression if you are primarily using block with the occasional lean/lunge and not countering (as Love This Life's first stats showed).

Responding to the bolded sections.

"Y'’all gotta learn distance management, cage control, and how to use lunges/slips. Add in body work and you’ll always gas an overzealous opponent".

This is essentially everything tho, he is saying you have got to learn the game, if he said you have got to learn the game it would have meant the same thing.

Anyone can complain about anything, arguing the oppisite is stupid, sure they can be wrong but so can everyone. This goes for rebuttals also, you can rebut points as much as you want.

As foe your overall point I mostly agree with it, it still was possible 6 months ago but its far easier now thanks to people providing great points.

[Lauriedr1ver]

Re: Why can people play like terminators

I think you are misunderstanding me. I'm happy with the results I see offline (maybe too many subs but thats because I use simple subs). Most appear to be happy with the variety of results they see online (with the exception of quick KOs in round 1).

No one is happy with seeing 150 strikes a round but there are things you can do to prevent that type of play and also there are times that you have to accept that its still a video game.

I might be IDK. All I am saying is my perspective on the issue. I dont think what needs to be done is in the game rn, thats all I am saying.

[aholbert32]

Re: Why can people play like terminators

Responding to the bolded sections.

"Y'’all gotta learn distance management, cage control, and how to use lunges/slips. Add in body work and you’ll always gas an overzealous opponent".

This is essentially everything tho, he is saying you have got to learn the game, if he said you have got to learn the game it would have meant the same thing.

Anyone can complain about anything, arguing the oppisite is stupid, sure they can be wrong but so can everyone. This goes for rebuttals also, you can rebut points as much as you want.

As foe your overall point I mostly agree with it, it still was possible 6 months ago but its far easier now thanks to people providing great points.

No thats not what he is essentially saying at all. I know how to lunge and lean. Still, I use block primarily because I havent worked on timing and head movement and because blocking and basic movement is the easiest form of defense in the game.

I dont need to learn the game. I know how to do those things. I need to get better at them. I cant expect and rely primarily on blocking and then complain about how the fact that im blocking should cause them to drain alot of stamina.

I dont understand your point about arguing. If someone is wrong, there is nothing wrong with saying their wrong. Opinions can be wrong and there is nothing wrong with acknowledging this. I'm not a fan of letting this forum get flooded with false or incorrect information simply anyone can be wrong.

[Lauriedr1ver]

Re: Why can people play like terminators

No thats not what he is essentially saying at all. I know how to lunge and lean. Still, I use block primarily because I havent worked on timing and head movement and because blocking and basic movement is the easiest form of defense in the game.

I dont need to learn the game. I know how to do those things. I need to get better at them. I cant expect and rely primarily on blocking and then complain about how the fact that im blocking should cause them to drain alot of stamina.

I dont understand your point about arguing. If someone is wrong, there is nothing wrong with saying their wrong. Opinions can be wrong and there is nothing wrong with acknowledging this. I'm not a fan of letting this forum get flooded with false or incorrect information simply anyone can be wrong.

So you need to learn the game? This is what you have said. By saying you need to learn to use everything better you are learning the game. I think your misunderstanding me.

[Lauriedr1ver]

Re: Why can people play like terminators

No thats not what he is essentially saying at all. I know how to lunge and lean. Still, I use block primarily because I havent worked on timing and head movement and because blocking and basic movement is the easiest form of defense in the game.

I dont need to learn the game. I know how to do those things. I need to get better at them. I cant expect and rely primarily on blocking and then complain about how the fact that im blocking should cause them to drain alot of stamina.

I dont understand your point about arguing. If someone is wrong, there is nothing wrong with saying their wrong. Opinions can be wrong and there is nothing wrong with acknowledging this. I'm not a fan of letting this forum get flooded with false or incorrect information simply anyone can be wrong.

If your on xbox Id rather speak on there, I dislike the bulletin format.

[Phillyboi207]

Re: Why can people play like terminators

Please stop. I use all the tools. Whether there is a counter is not even the arguement. That's not the point at all. The point, and the arguement being made, is that it shouldnt even be possible to begin with.

Whether it can be beaten is completely irrelevant.

Here’s the thing. If you used all those tools consistenty you’d almosy never run into someone capable of throwing that many strikes in a round without gassing.

I’d like to issue a challenge to any/ everyone here.

Show your 1st round of a ranked matched utilizing all the defensive tools and someone still maintaining a lot of stamina.

What was the great point I seem to have missed it. Secondly I think the assumption that players dont know how to play the game is pretty shady. Players developing there skills is obviously a neccasary aspect but just assuming that and then using that as an argument is poor.

Moving away from that assumption would help this discussion. Instead of attacking someones ability attack their arguments. This was the same argument we faced when we were arguing for movement additions, no need to do the same thing.

It’s not an assumption tho. Either you’re consistenty doing those things are you arent. If you’re using all of the tools well your opponents will gas. The game is literally designed that way. That isnt me assuming anything or even giving an opinion. We can have some sessions going over the different options and how much stamina you’ll lose.

Hell hit up Jigsaw on xbox.

[Lauriedr1ver]

Re: Why can people play like terminators

Here’s the thing. If you used all those tools consistenty you’d almosy never run into someone capable of throwing that many strikes in a round without gassing.

I’d like to issue a challenge to any/ everyone here.

Show your 1st round of a ranked matched utilizing all the defensive tools and someone still maintaining a lot of stamina.



It’s not an assumption tho. Either you’re consistenty doing those things are you arent. If you’re using all of the tools well your opponents will gas. The game is literally designed that way. That isnt me assuming anything or even giving an opinion. We can have some sessions going over the different options and how much stamina you’ll lose.

Hell hit up Jigsaw on xbox.

Yeah Ive fought him close to the start, havent in a while. Ive found you countless time my friend and you know I use the tools and "well". Im just disagreeing with youe choice of argument, I made my stance, if its not clear I just believe the game is missing some essential tools which help to control aggression and other mma aspects.

Message me on your on and we can have a chat again, just like the start of the year where I showed you how movement was an issue.

[1212headkick]

Re: Why can people play like terminators

As someone who definitely wants realism I think most of y’all are making some poor arguments for it.

Pro-unrealistic stamina crowd brought up a great counter point that the blocking is also unrealistic. I havent seen a single counter to that point.

You guys are literally just holding block and expecting it to gas your opponents. In real life you’d be finished in the first everytime just from accumulated damage if that’s all you did.

Y’all gotta learn distance management, cage control, and how to use lunges/slips. Add in body work and you’ll always gas an overzealous opponent.

Your missing a key point. Its not so much about blocked strikes as it is missed strikes. Need further buff to whiffs & damage(too many rocks causing the fight to go on longer and your chance of losing higher). Also jab stopping power should be SLIGHTLY higher. Jab should be our best defensive tool. The best offense from football to mma is a good defense. Do not seek out the powers to be to listen. There will just be pr tactics used.

Get more of the community to be vocal. I bitched till the cows come home and we got patch 1.08. Keep bitching you guys. Increase blocked strike stamina tax and block break damage. Boom everyones happy. Everyhere should take notes on who responds here when the community is vocal - the ones supposed to represent the community.


We have not only gameplay issues but representation issues. I was basically threatened in another thread to keep quiet. No worries as I'd get a different ip. But Its time for a vote again on the gamechangers program. Martial does his job. Z hunter does his job. And zombie rommel does his job. Sorry dmanunt and ipodkingcarter etc they do nothing ABSOLUTELY nothing. Wheres the ground sways we were told would be implemented? Wheres the new grappling positions we asked for since ufc 2?