Why can people play like terminators

[LoveThisLife]

Re: Why can people play like terminators

Players will always throw more strikes than in real life no matter what you do to the game because there is no bodily risk. I don’t know why y’all keep taking the time to not only post about this again, but to repost old messages when you’ve been told why things are they way they are and why they aren’t changing.

Be mad about it or not, but constantly complaining about strike counts is not only totally unproductive and overplayed at this point, but annoying.

Petition for a realism mode. You can stare at each other and replicate all the boring and random features of a fight to your heart’s content.

To summarize the point: you can’t apply a multitude of examples of “realistic” features to an inherently unrealistic experience. You can apply some, but nothing will ever change the human element. And trying to force the changes through gameplay mechanics will only result in frustrated players, not some utopia where every match looks like a real fight because the devs implemented your realism ideas.

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Do not believe this nonsense people... you have a legit complaint and can make a difference.

I can already predict the likes to Monkey's post (alhobert, Romero etc) but it doesn't matter. There have always been people that praise the status quo because it works FOR THEM.

For example, in THQ's undisputed series. People used to complain about "punch-flicking (a ground strike input entered almost simultaneously as a transition denial) and say that it was not a balanced approach to the ground game.

"High-level" Undisputed players would lay out all types of BS arguments as to why punch-flicking is fine as it is and how the rest of the people needed to "git good".

Well the constant complains got to THQ and they did improve the punch-flick exploit as the series progressed(although it never was completely eliminated)

The same thing will happen here. Keep raising your voices. FIFA players are complaining about the lack of "realism" too. It will never match 1:1 with real life... But it can be drastically improved.

[LoveThisLife]

Re: Why can people play like terminators

I’m not saying it needs to be easy, because everyone would just play the same. I’m saying that if you’re going to have a game with THIS many problems with inputs and whatnot, things that are completely out of my control, then there should be some reliable way to defend yourself against a constant barrage like this. What is with people here and acting like this game doesn’t have issues with inputs?

Do you really think nothing should be sone about this (rhetorical)? That people should be able to walk forward with constant combos and not get tired? I’m all for people being able to do this for about a round before being dead tired but they shouldn’t be able to do it every round of a fight.

When they fix the input delay and all of that other stuff that I can’t control, then maybe a lot of the preexisting defenses would actually be useful. Its not that I’m unaware of the mechanisms that SHOULD be used for defense, its that they DON’T WORK reliably. What kind of crap is it to say “Oh, that’s the nature of MMA!” Really? Its the nature of MMA for the fighters to want to major slip and they do a minor slip? Its MMA for a fighter to want to throw a slip straight and a hook comes out? Its MMA for a fighter to walk forward throwing everything in their tank and then going back to the stool and being able to do it again the next round and then the next? Its MMA for leg kicks to not slow the movement of people down? Oh, I’m sorry Mr. MMA expert, I didn’t realize. Maybe I need to go and reevaluate how I’m watching MMA.

You’re trying to justify short comings in the actual design of the game. If you think unreliable inputs are OK, then doctor stoppages should be OK as well and they should also be random just to make it fair. I’m sure plenty of people would have an issue with that.

Point is, if it wasn’t an issue many were facing, this thread would have been done before 2 pages. I love how when people present an actual problem, the defacto defense is that the person doesn’t know how to play. I’m an average player and by no means a noob. I’m sure I’ve kicked a few guys asses here on the forum before. I’d love to see how you people saying it’s that easy would handle someone doing this and I don’t mean a scrub doing it. I mean the actual guys that do nothing but use this strategy all day every day. It’s nowhere near as easy to counter as you’re trying to make it seem.

I don’t need to satirically like someone’s posts like Romero is doing. I’ve seen how he gets when someone is putting a beating on him so he can say and like whatever he wants because I’ve seen it. He can’t deny fact. He can say it’s easy all day long but guess what? Him cursing and calling the other player all kinds of names when they’re beating him is proof of that so you can say what you want Monkey and Romero can keep lying to himself liking your posts.

I made an account specifically to post on this thread because before, I thought that maybe I was one of only few having issues with this. Its not that I have a problem with the aggression, its the time that they’re able to keep it up. I can avoid the strikes fairly well a lot of the times, but eventually, your block breaks down and it’s only a matter of time because they don’t lose enough stamina from doing this. I’ve been playing these games since the MMA games on like PS2 with Throwdown. These people need to be zombies if they do this for a round straight!

Bottom line is if you don’t agree with what I’m saying, so be it. You have a right to disagree, but you going around calling everyone bad when they have an issue with something that you literally should not be able to do in the game because its totally unrealistic, is just childish and why this game hasn’t taken off the way it should have. You don’t like what I’m saying? Ok, that’s fine, stop quoting me and just mute me. I’m not here to go back and forth with you dude, I really don’t care about what you have to say. I care about getting something done about a strategy that should not be as effective as it is. Good player or bad, this should not be something that people can do, point blank. It has nothing to do with whether you can or can’t beat it, why can people do it in the first place? You lose stamina for head movement, but not throwing 150+ strikes a round? Seriously?

THIS (in bold) TIMES 10000000000000000x.

I have seen this guy freak the F out and say all types of stuff when he is getting pressured and beat. This is not a personal attack but it just drives me crazy seeing all his likes and posts trying to explain how its not a problem.

[RetractedMonkey]

Re: Why can people play like terminators

Do not believe this nonsense people... you have a legit complaint and can make a difference.

I can already predict the likes to Monkey's post (alhobert, Romero etc) but it doesn't matter. There have always been people that praise the status quo because it works FOR THEM.

For example, in THQ's undisputed series. People used to complain about "punch-flicking (a ground strike input entered almost simultaneously as a transition denial) and say that it was not a balanced approach to the ground game.

"High-level" Undisputed players would lay out all types of BS arguments as to why punch-flicking is fine as it is and how the rest of the people needed to "git good".

Well the constant complains got to THQ and they did improve the punch-flick exploit as the series progressed(although it never was completely eliminated)

The same thing will happen here. Keep raising your voices. FIFA players are complaining about the lack of "realism" too. It will never match 1:1 with real life... But it can be drastically improved.

Your voices are already heard. The lead gameplay developer is literally on this board. The team is more involved in this way than THQ ever was. They have listened to a litany of various changes players on this board have wanted throughout the patch cycles. There is a reason why this "issue" has never been changed. It's because the devs know what is legitimate and what isn't. We have reasonable players here and guys like me/gamechangers as the defensive line to **** ideas. And you guys aren't getting passed us. Multiple people who have made these same complaints have turned around and changed their opinion because of the new tools they have added. You and the others still moaning are stuck in the past and will never be satisfied.

There have always been things that I am critical of about the game. There still are, but most have been fixed. The claim that I'm in favor for keeping this as-is because I myself use constant pressure is easily debunked by watching any of my ESFL fights. I've even dropped my output down way more since then.

Curious you still haven't responded to my rebuttal to you on FNC. Ignoring my posts straight up is one thing, but quoting me and then backing down every time I slap back is just cowardice.

And I can predict the guys liking your posts too. It doesn't mean anything that Haz pressed a button on your post and I don't know why you brought it up.

[Lauriedr1ver]

Re: Why can people play like terminators

Your voices are already heard. The lead gameplay developer is literally on this board. The team is more involved in this way than THQ ever was. They have listened to a litany of various changes players on this board have wanted throughout the patch cycles. There is a reason why this "issue" has never been changed. It's because the devs know what is legitimate and what isn't. We have reasonable players here and guys like me/gamechangers as the defensive line to **** ideas. And you guys aren't getting passed us. Multiple people who have made these same complaints have turned around and changed their opinion because of the new tools they have added. You and the others still moaning are stuck in the past and will never be satisfied.

There have always been things that I am critical of about the game. There still are, but most have been fixed. The claim that I'm in favor for keeping this as-is because I myself use constant pressure is easily debunked by watching any of my ESFL fights. I've even dropped my output down way more since then.

Curious you still haven't responded to my rebuttal to you on FNC. Ignoring my posts straight up is one thing, but quoting me and then backing down every time I slap back is just cowardice.

And I can predict the guys liking your posts too. It doesn't mean anything that Haz pressed a button on your post and I don't know why you brought it up.

Can we keep arguments based on facts? From both sides. This is has got so many good points but due to the tone it is off putting.

Some gamechangers and you have both argued against this from the start. You have had the same "git gud" argument throughout but relevant changes has been made.

[LoveThisLife]

Re: Why can people play like terminators

Your voices are already heard. The lead gameplay developer is literally on this board. The team is more involved in this way than THQ ever was. They have listened to a litany of various changes players on this board have wanted throughout the patch cycles. There is a reason why this "issue" has never been changed. It's because the devs know what is legitimate and what isn't. We have reasonable players here and guys like me/gamechangers as the defensive line to **** ideas. And you guys aren't getting passed us. Multiple people who have made these same complaints have turned around and changed their opinion because of the new tools they have added. You and the others still moaning are stuck in the past and will never be satisfied.

There have always been things that I am critical of about the game. There still are, but most have been fixed. The claim that I'm in favor for keeping this as-is because I myself use constant pressure is easily debunked by watching any of my ESFL fights. I've even dropped my output down way more since then.

Curious you still haven't responded to my rebuttal to you on FNC. Ignoring my posts straight up is one thing, but quoting me and then backing down every time I slap back is just cowardice.

And I can predict the guys liking your posts too. It doesn't mean anything that Haz pressed a button on your post and I don't know why you brought it up.

You were on these very same forums defending this game before they implemented the changes you are talking about. You will, no matter what, root against change.

And wow... for you to think of yourself as some sort of defensive line against OTHER REGULAR PLAYERS... wow. I like the gamechanger program in theory but you (and some others) present examples of the real world problems that come along with the program.

As for FNC I do not even remember what you wrote and trust me I am not backing down from some troll in an internet forum. You are living this OS forum life a wee bit too hard.

[LoveThisLife]

Re: Why can people play like terminators

Can we keep arguments based on facts? From both sides. This is has got so many good points but due to the tone it is off putting.

Some gamechangers and you have both argued against this from the start. You have had the same "git gud" argument throughout but relevant changes has been made.

Took the words from my head.

[Lauriedr1ver]

Re: Why can people play like terminators

The best way to get changes is presenting a problem, you why it is a problem and a possible solution to it. Showing evidence is key. Thats how we finally got the necessary movement additions we complained about from the start, same goes for headmovement.

I dont think its as big of a problem as people make it out to be now, I still struggle with pressure but thats just how it is. Its far far better than it was. For me the things necessary to "perfectly balance" this just arent in the game, however this doesnt mean they need to be added rn and that it is a major issue. We have plenty of tools, get good at using them before you ask for significant changes.

[FadeawayJay]

Re: Why can people play like terminators

It's a video game... Ease up on the borderline war rhetoric guys...

Retracted, Romero etc. Don't you think it's just a little bit of a problem, the way stamina currently works? I've watched a marathon of Romero, Martial Mind and Pryoxis videos the last few days after some advice earlier in this thread, and I actually can deal with most pressure fighters now using head movement, lunges, and just a more varied arsenal of attacks. Good guys still eventually break my block, but I can live with that happening a few times. I still think the pressure tactics that are so prevalent kind of ruins the fun in the game though. And you can't get around it being unrealistic (which is fine, it's a video game, all though I'd personally prefer it wasn't possible). But won't you at least admit that pressuring with combos is a liiiittle too forgiving in regards to stamina?

[Lauriedr1ver]

Re: Why can people play like terminators

You were on these very same forums defending this game before they implemented the changes you are talking about. You will, no matter what, root against change.

And wow... for you to think of yourself as some sort of defensive line against OTHER REGULAR PLAYERS... wow. I like the gamechanger program in theory but you (and some others) present examples of the real world problems that come along with the program.

As for FNC I do not even remember what you wrote and trust me I am not backing down from some troll in an internet forum. You are living this OS forum life a wee bit too hard.

This is wrong, he doesnt root against change. He roots against what he deems as unnecessary change to things he doesnt have a problem with. Monkeys opinions are valued due to them mainly being fact driven as well as high level ability. Not having that backlash from him could be detrimental as he is there as a counter balance, he keeps the game rooted to what it is and how many want it to be, this isnt an issue, he can have a differing opinion.

[Phillyboi207]

Re: Why can people play like terminators

Do not believe this nonsense people... you have a legit complaint and can make a difference.

I can already predict the likes to Monkey's post (alhobert, Romero etc) but it doesn't matter. There have always been people that praise the status quo because it works FOR THEM.

For example, in THQ's undisputed series. People used to complain about "punch-flicking (a ground strike input entered almost simultaneously as a transition denial) and say that it was not a balanced approach to the ground game.

"High-level" Undisputed players would lay out all types of BS arguments as to why punch-flicking is fine as it is and how the rest of the people needed to "git good".

Well the constant complains got to THQ and they did improve the punch-flick exploit as the series progressed(although it never was completely eliminated)

The same thing will happen here. Keep raising your voices. FIFA players are complaining about the lack of "realism" too. It will never match 1:1 with real life... But it can be drastically improved.

You wanna know what’s funny. I was just like y’all. I’ve been arguing all over this forum since the damn beta about the lack of defensive tools. I was told to just “git gud” and that running was too powerful. I totally understand where you’re coming from.

I was literally a Div3 player that didnt want to put in the effort because the game catered to an unrealistic playstyle. I was literally ready to uninstall the game until they added the big head movement patch.

Now the Devs have met sim players halfway. Yeah someone can get away with unrealistic volume if you’re just holding block but they will gas if you make em whiff. You can literally be a matador against aggression now, you can be Anderson Silva, Stephen Thompson instead of everyone being Gaethje.

I agree with y’all about stamina but damage would have to increase to make it balanced. They dont wanna increase damage/stamina loss because newer players will complain. The gameplay is a balancing act between competitive, sim, and casual players.

[FadeawayJay]

Re: Why can people play like terminators

I agree with y’all about stamina but damage would have to increase to make it balanced. They dont wanna increase damage/stamina loss because newer players will complain. The gameplay is a balancing act between competitive, sim, and casual players.

It annoys me a little, as I really wanted a heavy sim game But I can live with that argument, and that should really settle the discussion. It's not like the game is unplayable at all. It's a ****ing awesome game, and it's probably the most realistic fighting experience ever. I still hope for changes in the direction of sim, but I understand we'll never get all the way there.

[Lauriedr1ver]

Re: Why can people play like terminators

You wanna know what’s funny. I was just like y’all. I’ve been arguing all over this forum since the damn beta about the lack of defensive tools. I was told to just “git gud” and that running was too powerful. I totally understand where you’re coming from.

I was literally a Div3 player that didnt want to put in the effort because the game catered to an unrealistic playstyle. I was literally ready to uninstall the game until they added the big head movement patch.

Now the Devs have met sim players halfway. Yeah someone can get away with unrealistic volume if you’re just holding block but they will gas if you make em whiff. You can literally be a matador against aggression now, you can be Anderson Silva, Stephen Thompson instead of everyone being Gaethje.

I agree with y’all about stamina but damage would have to increase to make it balanced. They dont wanna increase damage/stamina loss because newer players will complain. The gameplay is a balancing act between competitive, sim, and casual players.

Put some respek on my name. Me, you and aholbert have been since the start. BTW this is FCB x Finlay x. Just forgetten my login details. If someone wants to help with that also please feel free.

[Lauriedr1ver]

Re: Why can people play like terminators

It annoys me a little, as I really wanted a heavy sim game But I can live with that argument, and that should really settle the discussion. It's not like the game is unplayable at all. It's a ****ing awesome game, and it's probably the most realistic fighting experience ever. I still hope for changes in the direction of sim, but I understand we'll never get all the way there.

It should also be noted that people like to cheat and make the game as horrible as possible just to win. Knee-elbow spam, tyson head movement are examples of this. Some people are just ****s and will always be ****s.

[RetractedMonkey]

Re: Why can people play like terminators

You were on these very same forums defending this game before they implemented the changes you are talking about. You will, no matter what, root against change.

And wow... for you to think of yourself as some sort of defensive line against OTHER REGULAR PLAYERS... wow. I like the gamechanger program in theory but you (and some others) present examples of the real world problems that come along with the program.

As for FNC I do not even remember what you wrote and trust me I am not backing down from some troll in an internet forum. You are living this OS forum life a wee bit too hard.

lolwtf This is the exact reason why I post with absolute disdain for most people here. This is a straight up lie and you're presenting it as fact all the while accusing me of poisoning the well. Meanwhile, you're pouring the strychnine under the guise of "can't we all get along". I was THE guy yelling about stamina tax on head movement during the head-bobber season where pressure was a massive issue that could force ANYONE into a 50/50 exchange no matter the skill level. I still argue there should be NO stamina drain on the stiff arm retreat (a counter-pressure tool). I think the stats and moves of most fighters are downright bad.

I argued against a blanket buff to movement. Guys were literally asking to be able to defend and dodge the whole fight simply by using the left stick. I argued in favor of tools (that are now in the game) to help the outside fighters.

And I can't help but shake my head at people on the internet who say that I'm too into it. You can define your own hobbies and I'll define mine, m'kay? I'm not going to sleep at night cursing LoveThisLife's name. And if he came into my hospital IRL, I'd treat him like he was a reasonable, long-sighted person. But, he isn't being those things right now. So ima keep on him.

And I wonder who's banned account you are? There have been many who have ended up in the aether. Some say you can still hear the ghostly rattlings of their chains to this very day.

EDIT: I quoted the wrong person. Fixed it now.

[FadeawayJay]

Re: Why can people play like terminators

It should also be noted that people like to cheat and make the game as horrible as possible just to win. Knee-elbow spam, tyson head movement are examples of this. Some people are just ****s and will always be ****s.

The knee-elbow issue is legit, but I think most people agree, even the devs, so that shouldn't cause an uproar to say.

Literally just had a fight after reaching division five. I was Yoel against Israel, and I was countering him with all sorts of single punches the first two rounds. Took him down like five times as well (couldn't keep him there though). Then he started to stick like glue from round three. I tried to counter it by back swaying the most predictable elbows and landing check hooks, throwing 2-5's when he lead with knees, but he was just too good at it, so in the end, all the knees and elbows had drained my stamina, put my health all the way down, and he could just pick me apart from there. Literally everything he landed caused a rock. He was good at it, but it's still some BS!