Thoughts on the jab feint- body cross

[SUGATA]

Re: Thoughts on the jab feint- body cross

I know this thread may rile up some players, but please read.
First and foremost, I do not consider this combination to be this massive game-altering combo, I always get someone who needs to school me on how to play EA UFC 3 when I bring up a point.

This combination has now become a crux combination for a lot of higher level players. The jab feint acts as a speed buffer for the body cross and allows it to come out at great speeds and cover great distance. It's a very effective tool which is difficult to counter, your counter has be predictive rather than reactive given its speed, high evasion and high recovery, but chances are you will most likely end up missing and gassing more. The best defensive option, in my opinion, are the block counters and movement.

My issue from this doesn't come from a gameplay point as much, but more from a fighting realism perspective. I understand that this is a game, but it does take away from the experience when I see this combination's success rate and high usage. It's uncommon for fighters in MMA to throw a forward moving body cross at the rate and way it's thrown now. Generally, a body cross can be an effective weapon, but it's usually disguised several times in combinations or as a counter to forward movement, and aimed as a power shot to the solar plexus. The body jab is thrown more consistent with the way the jab feint-cross is currently being utilized. Body crosses are also usually thrown with feet planted or against the cage. Conor being an exception to this rule generally.


I would prefer that the damage caused by body crosses be slightly increased and the speed, evasion or recovery be adjusted for the strike. While the body jab can have this function (in the style of JDS-rothwell)


What are your thoughts on the jab feint body cross?

Some facts:
1. Strike feints does NOT add any speed or damage bonus to the follow up strike.
2. Strike feint is just NOT cancelling Hard Combo, Jab-body Cross is a Hard combo, so even w/o Jab feint the full combo will have the same speed body cross. This is a proof of #1.
3. BODY Jab feint - Head Cross has the same speed as Head jab feint - Body Cross.

> RESUME: Feint is NOT a problem, Hard combo speed of this i think is OK, this is realistic and authentic.

[RomeroXVII]

Re: Thoughts on the jab feint- body cross

Some facts:
1. Strike feints does NOT add any speed or damage bonus to the follow up strike.
2. Strike feint is just NOT cancelling Hard Combo, Jab-body Cross is a Hard combo, so even w/o Jab feint the full combo will have the same speed body cross. This is a proof of #1.
3. BODY Jab feint - Head Cross has the same speed as Head jab feint - Body Cross.

> RESUME: Feint is NOT a problem, Hard combo speed of this i think is OK, this is realistic and authentic.

Oh, so you're blind now.

There is a clear visual speed up if you time the body straight correctly after the feint, it's been confirmed already. Watch the #1 Player on Ranked on PS4, EdParker02, he does it ALL the time.

https://youtu.be/5xqaUEMzqOI 11:30-11:33 you will clearly see the sped up body cross.

You can speed up the lead body uppercut too with the jab feint.


Nobody said anything about a damage increase, it's the speed boost people have an issue with.

Do you actually play Ranked at all? Genuine question.

[SUGATA]

Re: Thoughts on the jab feint- body cross

Oh, so you're blind now.

There is a clear visual speed up if you time the body straight correctly after the feint, it's been confirmed already. Watch the #1 Player on Ranked on PS4, EdParker02, he does it ALL the time.

https://youtu.be/5xqaUEMzqOI 11:30-11:33 you will clearly see the sped up body cross.

You can speed up the lead body uppercut too with the jab feint.


Nobody said anything about a damage increase, it's the speed boost people have an issue with.

Do you actually play Ranked at all? Genuine question.

for the last time for you:
NO SPEED BOOST FROM FEINTS AT ALL for now in EA UFC 3.

SPEED IS THE SAME AS THIS STRIKE IS A PART OF HARD COMBO (Hard combo gives speed boost, NOT A FEINT).

It means:
Jab - Cross speed = Jab feint - Cross speed

The same rule for ALL possible strikes and series.


I hope you are not blind and could read this my post properly.

Good luck!

[RomeroXVII]

Re: Thoughts on the jab feint- body cross

for the last time for you:
NO SPEED BOOST FROM FEINTS AT ALL for now in EA UFC 3.

SPEED IS THE SAME AS THIS STRIKE IS A PART OF HARD COMBO (Hard combo gives speed boost, NOT A FEINT).

I hope you are not blind and could read this my post properly.

Good luck!

It's like you didn't even watch the video.

Literally have visual proof of the body cross being sped up, as everybody that actually plays this game KNOWS about, but you decide to go on a tantrum in all caps because you can't fathom being wrong in this instance.

Look.

At.

The.

Video.

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[SUGATA]

Re: Thoughts on the jab feint- body cross

It's like you didn't even watch the video.

Literally have visual proof of the body cross being sped up, as everybody that actually plays this game KNOWS about, but you decide to go on a tantrum in all caps because you can't fathom being wrong in this instance.

Look.

At.

The.

Video.

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To be 100% assured, JUST before posting i launched the game and tested / approved this in practice.
And YES, in practice i got THE SAME cross speed as in yr video.... and this is NOT a boost from Feint, but from Jab - cross combo (which is realistic, so it is OK).

I can not get in which things you are disagree w me?

1) do u think that Feint gives speed boost for follow up strike BY ITSELF?

2) JAB feint is so unique , so Jab feints gives boost but other strikes feints does not?

3) Do u think that Jab - cross speed = /= jab feint speed?

Try to form your thoughts more concrete please.

[RomeroXVII]

Re: Thoughts on the jab feint- body cross

To be 100% assured, JUST before posting i launched the game and tested / approved this in practice.
And YES, in practice i got THE SAME cross speed as in yr video.... and this is NOT a boost from Feint, but from Jab - cross combo (which is realistic, so it is OK).

I can not to get in what things you are disagree w me?

1) do u think that Feint gives speed boost for follow up strike BY ITSELF?

2) JAB feint is so unique , so Jab feints gives boost but other strikes feints does not?

3) Do u think that Jab - cross speed = /= jab feint speed?

Try to form your thoughts more concrete please.

Coming from the guy who can barely put his posts together coherently.

No, I know it's not the feint itself, you can speed up the question mark kick with Adesanya if you feint the lead body Teep kick because it's in the combo list.

If you input the cross slightly later after the feint (referring to the jab feint body cross), it comes out its normal speed, a HUMAN speed.

The issue people have with the jab feint body cross, is NOT the feint itself, it is the DISTANCE it allows you to cover + SPEED. Nobody in real life is sliding over across the octagon with jab feint body crosses. Nobody in real life gets a speed boost because they feinted a strike that was apart of their combo list and suddenly they became faster.

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[RomeroXVII]

Re: Thoughts on the jab feint- body cross

English isn't my first language either. And I wouldn't obviously know much about where he's from, a lot of guys post with English being their first language, and their grammar isn't exactly impeccable. I'll keep that in mind for next time though, thank you for informing me.

There's also no need for him to be condescending either. Don't get me wrong, 7/10 he has valuable information when it comes to the game, but for him to deny the blatant speed up when it's there, and then try to claim that it is realistic, that annoyed me.

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[TheShizNo1]

Re: Thoughts on the jab feint- body cross

Think you set yourself up to be letdown if you expected SUGATA to think he's wrong about something he posted.

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[RomeroXVII]

Re: Thoughts on the jab feint- body cross

Think you set yourself up to be letdown if you expected SUGATA to think he's wrong about something he posted.

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A man can dream.

I can at least dream.

[SUGATA]

Re: Thoughts on the jab feint- body cross

Going personal is the last thing when you dont have an arguments and facts to present.

I asked 3 concrete questions - instead of answers i got personal.


I am not interested to waste time on stupid personal insults.

And this is a SHAME when one moderator starts this personal trolling bs, and not the first time.

I understand why so many old members leave this sub forum. May be that was right way... and may be will be.

[RomeroXVII]

Re: Thoughts on the jab feint- body cross

Going personal is the last thing when you dont have an arguments and facts to present.

I asked 3 concrete questions - instead of answers i got personal.


I am not interested to waste time on stupid personal insults.

And this is a SHAME when one moderator starts this personal trolling bs, and not the first time.

I understand why so many old members leave this sub forum. May be that was right way... and may be will be.

You play with fire, you'll get burned. Don't talk to somebody one way, and be flabbergasted when they respond with a similar tune. Back on topic.

I also answered your 'concrete' questions, but you seem to have ignored that too.

[SUGATA]

Re: Thoughts on the jab feint- body cross

Coming from the guy who can barely put his posts together coherently.

No, I know it's not the feint itself, you can speed up the question mark kick with Adesanya if you feint the lead body Teep kick because it's in the combo list.

If you input the cross slightly later after the feint (referring to the jab feint body cross), it comes out its normal speed, a HUMAN speed.

The issue people have with the jab feint body cross, is NOT the feint itself, it is the DISTANCE it allows you to cover + SPEED. Nobody in real life is sliding over across the octagon with jab feint body crosses. Nobody in real life gets a speed boost because they feinted a strike that was apart of their combo list and suddenly they became faster.

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Video proof:

- i performed fastest possible input which via buffering memory launched strikes as fast as possible in the game

- i performed on different ranges and conditions

- different strikes

- but all are the part of Hard Combo HC (if you dont know what HC means learn GPD topics)

RESULTS:
- NO any type of boosts (speed) for any type of strikes any time - from Feints.

- NO any distance boost at all from Feints.

- so, NO problems in Feints (as topic author complained). The only what can be complained here - is the concrete Hard Combo speed, but i am personally sure that Jab-body Cross hard combo is realistic and right, b/c follow up body lower strike is speed boosted from up head Jab in down-fwd vector direction by wight transition ("falling down").


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P.S. This is not the first time you start arguing with me and falling down into personal (summoning TheShizNo1 with his mind free "hokku"), but then recognize me right.

[MartialMind]

Re: Thoughts on the jab feint- body cross

In the very first comment i posted here, I also reported thesame thing SUGATA is here. I too don't believe the feint is speeding up the body straight in anyway at all, and tests in Practice mode does prove it. But until a Dev comes in here and confirms it, we might never get down to the bottom of it.

To understand what the feint is doing, i think it's important to understand the logic behind the rule that was put in place. This rule is based on "Realism".

If a fighter wants to throw a forward moving jab followed by a forward moving straight to the body... He CANNOT maintain thesame range AND speed. One of those is always compromised.

When you lunge into the jab, to maintain range, you have to lunge again into the body straight and that takes away some speed. The only way to maintain speed is by lunging into the jab, planting and throwing the body straight.

Basically, It is physically impossible to maintain both speed and range when you go high and low on a forward moving combo.

When the game first dropped, we could do this, but then a change was implemented. If you wanna maintain range with this combo, you throw the forward moving jab, pause, then throw the forward moving straight. If you don't pause at all, the straight will fall short.

The jab feint is simply bypassing this rule. The feint is saying, "Well this wasn't a full jab, so i should maintain range when i fully commit to the body straight". But this is wrong.

It's not about the strike, it's about the lunge. Doesn't matter if you're lunging into a full jab, or lunging into a Jab feint.... once that lunge happens, you MUST pause and lunge again to maintain range.

Solution:

Just make it so the jab feint doesn't bypass the rule. Simple.

[RomeroXVII]

Re: Thoughts on the jab feint- body cross

In the very first comment i posted here, I also reported thesame thing SUGATA is here. I too don't believe the feint is speeding up the body straight in anyway at all, and tests in Practice mode does prove it. But until a Dev comes in here and confirms it, we might never get down to the bottom of it.

To understand what the feint is doing, i think it's important to understand the logic behind the rule that was put in place. This rule is based on "Realism".

If a fighter wants to throw a forward moving jab followed by a forward moving straight to the body... He CANNOT maintain thesame range AND speed. One of those is always compromised.

When you lunge into the jab, to maintain range, you have to lunge again into the body straight and that takes away some speed. The only way to maintain speed is by lunging into the jab, planting and throwing the body straight.

Basically, It is physically impossible to maintain both speed and range when you go high and low on a forward moving combo.

When the game first dropped, we could do this, but then a change was implemented. If you wanna maintain range with this combo, you throw the forward moving jab, pause, then throw the forward moving straight. If you don't pause at all, the straight will fall short.

The jab feint is simply bypassing this rule. The feint is saying, "Well this wasn't a full jab, so i should maintain range when i fully commit to the body straight". But this is wrong.

It's not about the strike, it's about the lunge. Doesn't matter if you're lunging into a full jab, or lunging into a Jab feint.... once that lunge happens, you MUST pause and lunge again to maintain range.

Solution:

Just make it so the jab feint doesn't bypass the rule. Simple.

Thank you for a thorough explanation Martial.

[RomeroXVII]

Re: Thoughts on the jab feint- body cross

Video proof:

- i performed fastest possible input which via buffering memory launched strikes as fast as possible in the game

- i performed on different ranges and conditions

- different strikes

- but all are the part of Hard Combo HC (if you dont know what HC means learn GPD topics)

RESULTS:
- NO any type of boosts (speed) for any type of strikes any time - from Feints.

- NO any distance boost at all from Feints.

- so, NO problems in Feints (as topic author complained). The only what can be complained here - is the concrete Hard Combo speed, but i am personally sure that Jab-body Cross hard combo is realistic and right, b/c follow up body lower strike is speed boosted from up head Jab in down-fwd vector direction by wight transition ("falling down").


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P.S. This is not the first time you start arguing with me and falling down into personal (summoning TheShizNo1 with his mind free "hokku"), but then recognize me right.

Not referring to it planted.

Congratulations, you still didn't do what the topic is about. When I get home, I will show you. Martial explained it perfectly.


Also I have no idea about this Hakka or summoning witchcraft you're referring to.

I also know nothing about your 'personal', so again, you make no sense on that.