Circling Out --- Sprint Option For UFC 4

[aholbert32]

Re: Circling Out --- Sprint Option For UFC 4

*Sigh* see what I mean? It has already been established that, generally speaking, comp players dislike defensive playstyles, labelling them as "running".

OBVIOUSLY not every player who has been in ESFL or whatever it is called (awful name btw) feels that way.



Yet you are not entitled to receive a response.

There is no way to "prove it" either. I give him 10 quotes from the ESFL discord or 6 quotes from the reddit thread or actual stories from ESFL GCs or even quotes from the ESFL chat....it doesnt matter....just anecdotes. I could give him a 100 or a 1000 and its still the same argument.

****, there are people in this thread who watch ESFL fights regularly who say the best meta is still pressure without much use of defensive tactics....nah not enough.

Anyway, people see it. They see whats going on. He will just keep going and thats fine.

[tomitomitomi]

Re: Circling Out --- Sprint Option For UFC 4

All that has been established is that it's been reported that some comp players dislike based on anecdotes. You haven't establish that comp players inherently dislike defensive playstyles.

Literally the second post on this thread was Aholbert commenting on how comp players would whine about circling out being "running" and you haven't had an issue with his credibility till now.

He even elaborates on it here

I haven't said I am entitled to a response, keep trying to spin this. I already told him he can ignore me if he wants. He could've ignored me above like he said he would but he still replies to me.

Remember when I said how everything needs to be spelled out for you and how jarring it is? It was as long as two posts ago so you may forgotten.

Your behavior makes you come across as entitled.

[johnmangala]

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There is no way to "prove it" either. I give him 10 quotes from the ESFL discord or 6 quotes from the reddit thread or actual stories from ESFL GCs or even quotes from the ESFL chat....it doesnt matter....just anecdotes. I could give him a 100 or a 1000 and its still the same argument.

****, there are people in this thread who watch ESFL fights regularly who say the best meta is still pressure without much use of defensive tactics....nah not enough.

Anyway, people see it. They see whats going on. He will just keep going and thats fine.

That's the point on ESFL chats.

When casuals/sim complain about not having fun dealing with pressure it's because they didn't punish with the tools.

When comp complain about not having fun dealing with 'running' it's okay they don't want to have to use the tools.

So why not apply that same equalized stat v circling logic here.

Another example of a discrepancy.

Literally the second post on this thread was Aholbert commenting on how comp players would whine about circling out being "running" and you haven't had an issue with his credibility till now.

He even elaborates on it here


Remember when I said how everything needs to be spelled out for you and how jarring it is? It was as long as two posts ago so you may forgotten.

Your behavior makes you come across as entitled.

That doesn't established that comp are inherently against defensive styles. Inherent means permanent characteristics, for all you criticize me for being 'fixed'... this is an example of fixed mindset for comp. It hasn't been shown that comp would be against balanced circling, only assumed they wouldn't care.

[Phillyboi207]

Re: Circling Out --- Sprint Option For UFC 4

John you keep repeating yourself and ignoring any evidence given to you.

We’ve already had big discussions vs the comp crowd where they made it clear they dont want a lot of defensive tools because they want the meta to be pressure centric.

If you want proof of how they feel go join their discord and ask them yourself.

Repeating your arguments to us doesnt do anything. You just make it harder to take anything you post serious which is a shame because you do come up with some good ideas.

Just to reiterate, try your luck presenting your idea in the discord chat. You’ll get all the rebuttals you could possibly hope for.

[aholbert32]

Re: Circling Out --- Sprint Option For UFC 4

Literally the second post on this thread was Aholbert commenting on how comp players would whine about circling out being "running" and you haven't had an issue with his credibility till now.

He even elaborates on it here



Remember when I said how everything needs to be spelled out for you and how jarring it is? It was as long as two posts ago so you may forgotten.

Your behavior makes you come across as entitled.

Entitled is the perfect word. He acts as if I owe him something. That because I'm a GC I'm obligated to respond to his arguments/comments. He's the only person I've ever encountered here who felt that way.

[johnmangala]

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John you keep repeating yourself and ignoring any evidence given to you.

We’ve already had big discussions vs the comp crowd where they made it clear they dont want a lot of defensive tools because they want the meta to be pressure centric.

If you want proof of how they feel go join their discord and ask them yourself.

Repeating your arguments to us doesnt do anything. You just make it harder to take anything you post serious which is a shame because you do come up with some good ideas.

Just to reiterate, try your luck presenting your idea in the discord chat. You’ll get all the rebuttals you could possibly hope for.

Ironic given that is what you, aholbert and all are doing- despite all the discrepancies pointed out by not just me.

Of course you conveniently ignore the part where it's been already established that aholbert said it's not about convincing comp, it's about establishing a consensus or at least a 2 to 1 against comp from casuals and sim. Meanwhile he's already admitted it's hard to pinpoint whether someone is casual, sim, or comp in places like Reddit or YouTube beyond assumptions.

Lateral sprint can actually benefit lower levels (especially many silent casuals) with effective circling, and similarly it can benefit comp with effective cage cutting. Mode specific tunings solves the issue of catering to different markets. Many games already do this. In fact this game already does it with competitive hud.

[Phillyboi207]

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Ironic given that is what you, aholbert and all are doing- despite all the discrepancies pointed out by not just me.

Of course you conveniently ignore the part where it's been already established that aholbert said it's not about convincing comp, it's about establishing a consensus or at least a 2 to 1 against comp from casuals and sim. Meanwhile he's already admitted it's hard to pinpoint whether someone is casual, sim, or comp in places like Reddit or YouTube beyond assumptions.

Lateral sprint can actually benefit lower levels (especially many silent casuals) with effective circling, and similarly it can benefit comp with effective cage cutting. Mode specific tunings solves the issue of catering to different markets. Many games already do this. In fact this game already does it with competitive hud.

So my question to you is...

What are you trying to accomplish when you keep repeating yourself?

[aholbert32]

Re: Circling Out --- Sprint Option For UFC 4

Again it's not about wanting to argue with you.

It is. You really want my attention. LOL. You are mad that I'm "discriminating" against you.

Like someone could literally cut and paste your arguments and I would respond to them but I wont respond to you. Only you. You wont stop until you get my undivided attention (similar to my 5 yr old) but unlike him I wont give it to you.

So this where we are. He will continue to post the same question while mischaracterizing what said and Ill selectively respond while never actually answering his questions...until they lock this thread which will likely be soon.

[johnmangala]

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It is. You really want my attention. LOL. You are mad that I'm "discriminating" against you.

Like someone could literally cut and paste your arguments and I would respond to them but I wont respond to you. Only you. You wont stop until you get my undivided attention (similar to my 5 yr old) but unlike him I wont give it to you.

So this where we are. He will continue to post the same question while mischaracterizing what said and Ill selectively respond while never actually answering his questions...until they lock this thread which will likely be soon.

I just want to know why not apply that same equalized stat v circling logic on casual/sim dealing with pressure v comp dealing with 'running'?

So my question to you is...

What are you trying to accomplish when you keep repeating yourself?

alholbert doesn't have fun arguing with me so he ignores some of my feedback. My bad even, but he won't even give me the chance to redeem my arguments. He's admitted he won't be reasonable with me. I even did everything he asked for- I responded to new information and gave my counter arguments, all the examples above.

The devs can cater to all 3 markets with mode specific tunings for circling and other things. Comp doesn't complain about body 1212 spam now, the same can happen for 'running'.

[aholbert32]

Re: Circling Out --- Sprint Option For UFC 4

John you keep repeating yourself and ignoring any evidence given to you.

We’ve already had big discussions vs the comp crowd where they made it clear they dont want a lot of defensive tools because they want the meta to be pressure centric.

If you want proof of how they feel go join their discord and ask them yourself.

Repeating your arguments to us doesnt do anything. You just make it harder to take anything you post serious which is a shame because you do come up with some good ideas.

Just to reiterate, try your luck presenting your idea in the discord chat. You’ll get all the rebuttals you could possibly hope for.

He's legit scared of the discord or posting his ideas anywhere outside of the OS bubble. He would get overwhelmed by the negative reaction and it would also prove the point about comp players.

He cant have that so he's rather post in here where he's guaranteed to get a positive reaction from other likeminded members.

[Phillyboi207]

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John you are confusing

Your response to Aholbert says it’s not about arguing with him

Your response to me says it’s about him not responding to your arguments.



If it’s strictly between you and Aholbert why not DM him?

[aholbert32]

Re: Circling Out --- Sprint Option For UFC 4

John you are confusing

Your response to Aholbert says it’s not about arguing with him

Your response to me says it’s about him not responding to your arguments.



If it’s strictly between you and Aholbert why not DM him?

I would ignore the DM. LOL.

He's never going to get what he wants.

[johnmangala]

Re: Circling Out --- Sprint Option For UFC 4

John you are confusing

Your response to Aholbert says it’s not about arguing with him

Your response to me says it’s about him not responding to your arguments.



If it’s strictly between you and Aholbert why not DM him?

I would ignore the DM. LOL.

He's never going to get what he wants.

He's legit scared of the discord or posting his ideas anywhere outside of the OS bubble. He would get overwhelmed by the negative reaction and it would also prove the point about comp players.

He cant have that so he's rather post in here where he's guaranteed to get a positive reaction from other likeminded members.

The funny thing is that same argument would apply to comp players that don't want to post here because of 'sim majority'.

You said yourself we need a consensus or 2 out 3 in favor. Why do you keep deflecting it onto discord? I am not a ranked/ESFL player.

It's simple you presented the position of some comp players that don't like 'running'. It has been said comp won't like more 'running' in the form of lateral sprint. I brought up several ideas like L3 input, mode specific tunings, and arcade/sim mode, etc that addresses comp possibly not wanting lateral sprint because of 'running'.

[aholbert32]

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The funny thing is that same argument would apply to comp players that don't want to post here because of 'sim majority'.

You said yourself we need a consensus or 2 out 3 in favor. Why do you keep deflecting it onto discord? I am not a ranked/ESFL player.

It's simple you presented the position of some comp players that don't like 'running'. It has been said comp won't like more 'running' in the form of lateral sprint. I brought up several ideas like L3 input, mode specific tunings, and arcade/sim mode, etc that addresses comp possibly not wanting lateral sprint because of 'running'.

Stop being scared. Post there. You are doing no good repeating yourself here. Get that consensus. Go there and come back with proof of your consensus. Youtube, Reddit, Discord....anywhere there are non sim focused UFC 3 players.

Stop being soft. You like to argue. Go argue there. You can do it. I believe in you. I'm never going to address your points but they will....go there. Go where you can argue to heart's content. I will just discriminate against you. They will acknowledge all of your arguments.....go there.

LOL....you will never get what you want from me.

[johnmangala]

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Stop being scared. Post there. You are doing no good repeating yourself here. Get that consensus. Go there and come back with proof of your consensus. Youtube, Reddit, Discord....anywhere there are non sim focused UFC 3 players.

Stop being soft. You like to argue. Go argue there. You can do it. I believe in you. I'm never going to address your points but they will....go there. Go where you can argue to heart's content. I will just discriminate against you. They will acknowledge all of your arguments.....go there.

LOL....you will never get what you want from me.

It's ironic because you are deflecting onto me what you should be doing.

This whole thread has been you repeating comp will complain about 'running' and presenting their ideas. You aren't going to discords now and presenting this OS 'majority sim' position on adding balanced lateral sprint.