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[aholbert32]

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To be fair you did post about it pretty early. I mean i think you beat MMAFIGHTING.

That being said the article on MMAFighting has like 12 comments currently. No one seems to care, and it's hard for me to sympathise with the fighters at this point. Like Luke Thomas said "The cavalry's not coming, boys, you are the the cavalry"

https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2018/9/27/17907570/leslie-smiths-complaint-against-ufc-dismissed-by-nlrb

Bloody elbow posted about it on Thursday and I swear some Twitter folks announced it Wednesday but I could be wrong.

You are right though. I remember reading the comments before the dismissal and more than half were upset with Smith. Seriously at this point, nothing is keeping them from unionising other than the fact that new fighters are too scared to do it because they dont want to rock the boat and headliners are financially secure enough that they dont care about the benefits that they could receive with a union.

[aholbert32]

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I saw it a day or 2 before it was posted here, but figured everyone already knew what was going to happen. She got a miracle decision and then it got moved to DC. I doubt the president had anything to do with it though, it was going to be rejected without him doing anything.

The problem is they tied the whole case to Smith having her contract not renewed. They should have never done that as there is no law that says you have to renew contracts. All other sports do the same thing and the rest of the world also follows the terms in contracts. The UFC paid her off to end the contract and then didn't want to work with her any more.

They can still go back and potentially win, but Smith needs to be removed or pushed to the background. Then maybe they will get the support from the fighters they need.

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I dont think Trump had anything to do with it directly. I do think that if this was any other administration she wouldve had a shot. The difference here is that 3 of the 5 on the board were directly appointed by Trump. There was no way they were going to rule against a guy who supported Trump when NO ONE thought he had a chance at winning.

[MacGowan]

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Seriously at this point, nothing is keeping them from unionising other than the fact that new fighters are too scared to do it because they dont want to rock the boat and headliners are financially secure enough that they dont care about the benefits that they could receive with a union.

Honestly I'm not even sure that's the reason, at least not the main one. I've settled with the belief that a vast majority of them have a "get rich or die trying" mentality. Or the ol' "pull yerself up by the boot straps".

The political landscape has changed. Unions are a "bad" thing now. These are fighters, they don't read history books, they get punched in the head for a living.

[MacGowan]

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Gegard on the MMAHOUR. managed to say rtard, sensitive Americans. poke fun at the #metoo movement and feminists. all in 1 minute.

https://youtu.be/qGglXTbbsNo?t=1h52m16s

Luke is sweating.
How can you not love the moose?

[Dave_S]

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Wink is saying Jones is fighting on ufc 232. I'm guessing it will be for title.

I really feel like a sucker for buying into this usada nonsense back when it was first announced.

[MacGowan]

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Wink is saying Jones is fighting on ufc 232. I'm guessing it will be for title.

I really feel like a sucker for buying into this usada nonsense back when it was first announced.

USADA is one thing, It sucks, but I'm ok with the Bellator way. it's the de-evaluation of the belts and the rankings that gets to me.

I think a lot of you and the MMA journalists came up in a time before rankings, but for a lot of us, the Conor generation, it feels like the world is now crumbling.

[Dave_S]

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I haven't been an over the top mma fan that long. Being a casual fan for a long time I never cared about rankings at all. Im pretty sure they didn't show rankings during introductions and stuff.

I don't feel like the degradation of thre belts, but it feels like the the time has come and gone for us worry about legitimacy of the championship. They get taken on a whim, and given out on a whim occasionally as well.

[aholbert32]

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I haven't been an over the top mma fan that long. Being a casual fan for a long time I never cared about rankings at all. Im pretty sure they didn't show rankings during introductions and stuff.

I don't feel like the degradation of thre belts, but it feels like the the time has come and gone for us worry about legitimacy of the championship. They get taken on a whim, and given out on a whim occasionally as well.

Completely agree. Rankings are purely a television thing. The UFC never wanted rankings but Fox asked for them because they felt that a number next to the name made it easier for fans to become interested in the fight.

My issue with the belts is the interim belts and Dana's obsession that a title fight has to headline a PPV and thats bull****. Like there is no way Nate Diaz and Poirier shouldnt be headlining UFC 230 but he had to have a title fight on the card.

Its time for the UFC to just add rules regarding championships. If you dont defend the title in one year's time, you get stripped. If you have an injury that will put you out for over 6 mos, the UFC can create an interim title. Its that simple.

[PeterFerguson2]

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Gegard on the MMAHOUR. managed to say rtard, sensitive Americans. poke fun at the #metoo movement and feminists. all in 1 minute.

Luke is sweating.
How can you not love the moose?

Managed to diminish half of his PR in less than 60 seconds is all I can say. :/

[MacGowan]

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Completely agree. Rankings are purely a television thing.

Except it's not. it's a lie that became the truth. Paul Felder couldn't fight Khabib because the commision didn't think he was ranked high enough. now you have 4 years worth of NEW fans that believed (wrongly) that the rankings ment something. that will have a backlash.

My issue with the belts is the interim belts and Dana's obsession that a title fight has to headline a PPV and thats bull****.

I'm wondering if it's unchecked Dana without the Fertittas, OR WME trying to drive the truck.

Like there is no way Nate Diaz and Poirier shouldnt be headlining UFC 230 but he had to have a title fight on the card.

Amen! And like Ariel said: they've done that before; having a non-title bout headlining with a co-main championship.

Its time for the UFC to just add rules regarding championships. If you dont defend the title in one year's time, you get stripped. If you have an injury that will put you out for over 6 mos, the UFC can create an interim title. Its that simple.

I agree.

I kinda like PFL's new take on paper. points per win, etc. So we know what a win actually means for s fighter... but I digress... I want some more clearity.

Managed to diminish half of his PR in less than 60 seconds is all I can say. :/

Made a fan in me.

[aholbert32]

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Except it's not. it's a lie that became the truth. Paul Felder couldn't fight Khabib because the commision didn't think he was ranked high enough. now you have 4 years worth of NEW fans that believed (wrongly) that the rankings ment something. that will have a backlash.

I'm wondering if it's unchecked Dana without the Fertittas, OR WME trying to drive the truck.

Amen! And like Ariel said: they've done that before; having a non-title bout headlining with a co-main championship.

I agree.

I kinda like PFL's new take on paper. points per win, etc. So we know what a win actually means for s fighter... but I digress... I want some more clearity.

Made a fan in me.

Its not a lie that became the truth. NY's commission has rules that if rankings are in place, it can approve or decline a potential title fight based on those rankings. Those rules are carry overs from the rules they have in place for boxing.

The UFC was never required to create rankings. They were never inclined to before the Fox deal. Fox asked them to and they agreed. Its also why months later they expanded the rankings from top 10s to top 15s. Fox didnt like having headliners without numbers.

Its likely both WME and Dana. Ariel is right but that isnt even my point. The UFC used to regularly headline PPVs without belts. Liddell/Evans. Evans/Rampage. Rampage/Hamill. Rampage/Jardine. All of those were PPV headliners without titles. ****, Rampage/Evans (the 1st UFC I saw live in Vegas) was one of their biggest PPVs until the Brock/Ronda/Conor era started.

WME/Dana are making decisions that actually hurt the company. For example, Nate Diaz was one half of the biggest PPV in UFC history. Now alot of those sales are credited to Conor but Diaz has a fan base. At 230, they shouldve made Diaz/Poirier the headliner and called it a #1 contender fight for the LW belt. They shouldve kept Valentina v. Joanna on the 231 card and stacked it with the now headliner (Max v. Ortega.)

I wouldve bought both of those cards but now I'l likely stream 231 and only buy 230.

[MacGowan]

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Rankings are purely a television thing.

NY's commission has rules that if rankings are in place, it can approve or decline a potential title fight based on those rankings.

not just purely for TV then.

And yeah I know the Fox history. I'm saying a lot of new fans know only an MMA world ruled by rankings. Especially when they were tightly run (3 years ago). And I think a lot of Old school journalists (Luke Thomas) don't realise just how much of a backlash it wil have to out them in chaos.

[aholbert32]

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not just purely for TV then.

And yeah I know the Fox history. I'm saying a lot of new fans know only an MMA world ruled by rankings. Especially when they were tightly run (3 years ago). And I think a lot of Old school journalists (Luke Thomas) don't realise just how much of a backlash it wil have to out them in chaos.

If you know the Fox history, what you said doesnt make any sense. The UFC started ranking fighters in 2013. At the time, no commission required them to have rankings. They didnt it solely because Fox asked them.

As you may know, MMA wasnt legalized in NY until 2016. Their combat sports commission has had rules in place for boxing for decades. Instead of creating new specific rules for MMA, the commission took some of their rules and just applied them to MMA. Their rankings rule was one of them.

So the UFC's ranking system was created because of television. The fact that the NYC had an issue with Felder fighting for the title because he was unranked had/has nothing to do with the reasons the rankings exist.

I also COMPLETELY disagree that there is backlash related to the ratings. New fans/old fans dont seem to give a **** about whether the #1, #2 or #6 fighter gets a shot. People didnt care that Till got a shot against Woodley when he was ranked #2.

If the UFC gives Marlon Moraes #4 the next shot against TJ, most wont care as long as their is a legit reason why the 3 people ranked ahead of them are passed over.

Also when were the rankings "tightly run"? If I recall from the beginning the UFC has had a ton of random "journalists" voting on those rankings and thats why people had issues with it in the past.

[p_rushing]

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PFL had some good fights tonight with the quarter and semi finals happening in 1 night

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[Money99]

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Late to the party on this, but I hope this doesn't become reality:

https://mmajunkie.com/2017/08/ufc-new-weight-classes-anticipates-more-divisions

The new divisions, which include 165 pounds (super lightweight), 175 pounds (super welterweight), 195 pounds (super middleweight), and 225 pounds (cruiserweight), present alternatives for fighters who often cut a large amount of weight to fit into the current divisions. They also reduce the possible weight disparity between combatants in the heaviest classes.

The entire reason my interest in MMA has grown over the years is because I'm sick and tired of all the weight classes and champs in boxing.
IMO, by adding these extra divisions, it'll only water down the product and allow fighters to hide from one another more.

If the issue truly is dangerous weigh cuts, then why not just implement same day weigh-ins and max weight gain by fight night?
This would force fighters to fight at their natural weights.

UFC is great because we're always getting best-on-best, but that's not always going to be the case if guys can avoid someone by gaining (or losing) 5 lbs.

If this truly is about health, then just have weigh-in's 2 hours before the fighters step in the cage.