MMA Off-Topic

[polyduster]

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Late to the party on this, but I hope this doesn't become reality:

https://mmajunkie.com/2017/08/ufc-new-weight-classes-anticipates-more-divisions

The entire reason my interest in MMA has grown over the years is because I'm sick and tired of all the weight classes and champs in boxing.
IMO, by adding these extra divisions, it'll only water down the product and allow fighters to hide from one another more.

If the issue truly is dangerous weigh cuts, then why not just implement same day weigh-ins and max weight gain by fight night?
This would force fighters to fight at their natural weights.

UFC is great because we're always getting best-on-best, but that's not always going to be the case if guys can avoid someone by gaining (or losing) 5 lbs.

If this truly is about health, then just have weigh-in's 2 hours before the fighters step in the cage.

Since this article is from August 2017 and these changes haven't been made, I don't see this happening.

Maybe a super lightweight division in the next year is a possibility due to all of the recent discussion by some of the fighters expressing their desire for it. That won't even happen if Dana has his way.

I agree with you as my main enjoyment of MMA is also because of the lack of 20 different divisions. I can rattle off all of the current champs in UFC. I cannot say the same thing about half of the current WBC champs.

Who knows what will happen.....

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[Money99]

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Since this article is from August 2017 and these changes haven't been made, I don't see this happening.

Maybe a super lightweight division in the next year is a possibility due to all of the recent discussion by some of the fighters expressing their desire for it. That won't even happen if Dana has his way.

I agree with you as my main enjoyment of MMA is also because of the lack of 20 different divisions. I can rattle off all of the current champs in UFC. I cannot say the same thing about half of the current WBC champs.

Who knows what will happen.....

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The Luke Thomas show was talking about this yesterday and it sounds like either 125 or 165 will be coming in soon.
He made it sound like they'll test out one of these new divisions and if proven successful, others will follow.

I'd be 'okay' with adding 165 but only if they increased Welterweight to 175 and Middleweight to 190.
There's no need to have a weight class 5lbs from the next. Especially when it's a heavier class.
Having both a 165 and 170 is ridiculous. And it makes me wonder if the UFC is only doing this so Connor has a division to escape guys like Khabib at 155 and Diaz at 170.

[Phillyboi207]

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I think a 165 division is definitely needed. 155 and 170 are pretty stacked


165-175-195 makes a lot of sense.

Same with the 225 increase for HW

[Dave_S]

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I think a 165 division is definitely needed. 155 and 170 are pretty stacked


165-175-195 makes a lot of sense.

Same with the 225 increase for HW

I kinda like 185. 175-195 seems like a big gap imo.

[Phillyboi207]

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I kinda like 185. 175-195 seems like a big gap imo.

It’s the same gap we have now between 185-205

[Money99]

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I think a 165 division is definitely needed. 155 and 170 are pretty stacked


165-175-195 makes a lot of sense.

Same with the 225 increase for HW

But isn't that what you want? Stacked divisions?
I don't want guys running and hiding from one another.
If you can make 165 you can make 170.

I honestly don't understand this whatsoever. There is no point to it other than to allow fighters to dodge one another.
It's the main reason I'm teetering more towards UFC than pro boxing.
If they start adding all these divisions, my interest will plummet.

[p_rushing]

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But isn't that what you want? Stacked divisions?
I don't want guys running and hiding from one another.
If you can make 165 you can make 170.

I honestly don't understand this whatsoever. There is no point to it other than to allow fighters to dodge one another.
It's the main reason I'm teetering more towards UFC than pro boxing.
If they start adding all these divisions, my interest will plummet.

They basically need to move weight classes up 5 pounds and stop weight cutting.

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[Phillyboi207]

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But isn't that what you want? Stacked divisions?
I don't want guys running and hiding from one another.
If you can make 165 you can make 170.

I honestly don't understand this whatsoever. There is no point to it other than to allow fighters to dodge one another.
It's the main reason I'm teetering more towards UFC than pro boxing.
If they start adding all these divisions, my interest will plummet.

Crowded divisions just means it takes longer for good/ great guys to get title shots imo.

[Money99]

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Crowded divisions just means it takes longer for good/ great guys to get title shots imo.

Asking seriously because I’m new to this;
What fighters have had to wait long or were hosed out of title shots due to stacked divisions?


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[MacGowan]

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Asking seriously because I’m new to this;
What fighters have had to wait long or were hosed out of title shots due to stacked divisions?


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Tony Ferguson

[Money99]

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Tony Ferguson

So one fighter?
And is that due to overcrowding or because Dana cowtows to Connor which creates a logjam?

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[MacGowan]

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So one fighter?

Tony is not just "one fighter" any more than Khabib is just "one fighter".

is that due to overcrowding or because Dana cowtows to Connor which creates a logjam?

Lightweight is Connor's natural weightclass, and as an Ex champ (beating Eddie Alvarez in impressive fashion) means he should be up there in the rankings, especially with his record of beating Jose Aldo, Max Holloway, and Dustin Poirier. Of course he got the shot because he brings in the big money, but it's not that far off the mark. (Until of course now that he's lost to Khabib. rematch? no thanks.).
Fights like Brock vs DC, or Cejudo vs TJ are more insane in my eyes.

I could sit down and write out a list of fighters in different weightclasses that have been "screwed over" by being in a queue for too long. As well as fighters who clearly were pushed through for marketability reasons alone. Tony just seemed like the most recent and most egregious case. The man is on a 11 win streak in the most packed division in the world. With wins over ex champions like Pettis, RDA, and monsters like Kevin Lee, and Barbosa.

The case is a little more nuanced however, they've been trying to book Khabib vs Tony forever, but that also ads to my point, everytime that fight falls out the Lightweight queue gets more packed, exacerbating the problem.

Now, I can understand not wanting more weightclasses, I feel ya. I think it's messy right now, especially with the interim bull going on, as well as champs going "full Conor" as soon as they get ahold of that belt.
We might just end up with another division held up by a diva champ, with yet another interim belt on the line. This seriously needs to stop.

That being said, The logjam at lightweight is a real thing, and WME is to blame, not Conor.

[Dave_S]

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So one fighter?
And is that due to overcrowding or because Dana cowtows to Connor which creates a logjam?

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No, not just one fighter. It's more frequently an issue of stacked division plus questionable ufc management decisions. (Frankie Edgar, TJ Dillashaw, Colby Covington, etc.)

Of course ufc has also been great at eliminating contenders buy having something like the number 1 and 2 fighters fight each other, pretty much temporarily eliminating someone from title contention.

[Dave_S]

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After ufc 229 antics Artem Lobov is now fighting Michael Johnson.

[Dave_S]

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Eddie Alverez signs with One championship. Interesting. I guess i'll never see him fight again unless it's on dazn or something.