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[Gotmadskillzson]

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Gilbert Yvel has retired after fighting for 16 years. He had a good run, 38 wins, 16 losses. Notable wins:

Pedro Rizzo
Valentijn Overeem (Overeem's older brother)
Cheick Kongo
Gary Goodridge
Semmy Schillt

Notable losses:

Igor Vovchanchyn
Dan Henderson
Jeremy Horn
Junior Dos Santos
Josh Barnett

But yeah, the health issues he been having the past 5 years is finally forcing him to retire at the age of 37.

[dsallupinyaarea]

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Not sure where else to put this:

http://espn.go.com/blog/mma/post/_/id/18481/white-considers-eliminating-fight-night-bonuses

Would it kill Dana to be a little more professional? I get that's his schtick and all, but this is a pretty big issue and he just comes off like a jerk to me.

[Gotmadskillzson]

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If they do away with bonuses, it will be bad for the sport and the UFC brand. No bonus incentive will mean a hell of a lot more fighters playing it safe. Opting for lay and pray victories or simply trying to win on points without actually engaging and trying to finish the fight.

UFC makes so much money, in reality they could do both if they REALLY wanted to.

[aholbert32]

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If they do away with bonuses, it will be bad for the sport and the UFC brand. No bonus incentive will mean a hell of a lot more fighters playing it safe. Opting for lay and pray victories or simply trying to win on points without actually engaging and trying to finish the fight.

UFC makes so much money, in reality they could do both if they REALLY wanted to.

Its an empty threat from Dana. I also think he was talking more about the discretionary bonuses him and the Fertitta's give away and not the FON, KON and SON bonuses. The UFC gives thousands to fighters at each event outside of the fight bonuses depending on the revenue generated at the gate and the PPV projections.

I think the UFC should raise the minimum salary to 10k/10k. Nothing more than that though. No one is buying tickets to see Mike Pierce fight.

[TheShizNo1]

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I can't, personally, call him the best MMA of all time... just because he failed to live up to his massive talent.

I can easily say he's probably the most talented person I've ever witnessed but I'm more disappointed in his career thinking, "Man, dude should have absolutely DOMINATED."

There's a list of people with better careers just because they haven't coasted off their natural talent. It's basically just an argument of semantics from me though.

I have a buddy who's more of a casual/name fan. I lose this argument with him for this reason. At the end we both say that. He's saying it b/c he's telling me I should be able to show more domination ala A. Silva and GSP.

I say it b/c after arguing about his talent, it's like "Damn he really should've did more."

[redsrule]

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Maiquel Falcao got brutally KO'd in Brazil, his friend that was with him is still in the hospital with life threatening injuries I believe.

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[jeremym480]

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Brian Stann is retiring.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/mma--brian-stann-s-ufc-retirement-is-yet-another-act-of-heroism-172448344.html

[Azamien]

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Maiquel Falcao got brutally KO'd in Brazil, his friend that was with him is still in the hospital with life threatening injuries I believe.

The guy getting punched and stomped on the video was his friend. For whatever reason the attackers didn't go after Falcao when he was down, even though he started the whole thing.

[Gotmadskillzson]

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[Pappy Knuckles]

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A great Sports Illustrated article about UFC 1.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1207974/1/index.htm

[ubernoob]

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A great Sports Illustrated article about UFC 1.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vau...74/1/index.htm

Yeah, that's from their "Where are the now?" article. I enjoyed the read.

[The JareBear]

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Based on what I read about Sonnen's new contract, it sounds like the plan is for him to move back down to 185 after the Shogun fight. I guess, I dunno, I just don't really see the point of this fight. I've said I feel he doesn't belong at 205 anyway, so what is the endgame here? If he loses, they can say he was too little, if he wins, he can jockey for a title eliminator fight/at least a high profile 185er right away since he knocked off a 205er? I am not an expert on UFC politics, everytime I think I figure it out they do something that doesn't make sense to me.

[aholbert32]

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Based on what I read about Sonnen's new contract, it sounds like the plan is for him to move back down to 185 after the Shogun fight. I guess, I dunno, I just don't really see the point of this fight. I've said I feel he doesn't belong at 205 anyway, so what is the endgame here? If he loses, they can say he was too little, if he wins, he can jockey for a title eliminator fight/at least a high profile 185er right away since he knocked off a 205er? I am not an expert on UFC politics, everytime I think I figure it out they do something that doesn't make sense to me.

The agreement was signed after the Shogun/Sonnen fight was announced. The only reason this fight is happening is because the UFC wanted two big names to headline the first FS1 card and they were the two biggest names available. The fight doesnt mean anything long term but we need to get past that as fans. Sometimes its just fun watching two top guys fight. It doesnt always have to lead to a title shot.

[The JareBear]

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So, by that logic, why does a loss to Weidman have Dana saying "superfights are done."

Sometimes the UFC will let top dogs fight just to fight, sometimes there has to be an underlying agenda.

I think the fans want a Jones/Silva fight way more than a Sonnen/Rua right. I didn't understand why immediately after 162 Dana buried any future "superfight" talk. Now, I understand that Silva needs his rematch, but I was under the impression, based on Dana's comments, that he wasn't just saying Silva's next fight can't be a "superfight," but that the one loss ruined the possibility altogether, "that fight cost both those guys a lot of money." Why?

Now, if all Dana meant was Silva has to have a rematch with Weidman before any "superfight" can happen, I get it, but that wasn't the message I received. Am I wrong?

Where is the line drawn between This Fight Has To Make Sense/This Fight Just Needs To Be Entertaining?

[aholbert32]

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So, by that logic, why does a loss to Weidman have Dana saying "superfights are done."

Sometimes the UFC will let top dogs fight just to fight, sometimes there has to be an underlying agenda.

I think the fans want a Jones/Silva fight way more than a Sonnen/Rua right. I didn't understand why immediately after 162 Dana buried any future "superfight" talk. Now, I understand that Silva needs his rematch, but I was under the impression, based on Dana's comments, that he wasn't just saying Silva's next fight can't be a "superfight," but that the one loss ruined the possibility altogether, "that fight cost both those guys a lot of money." Why?

Now, if all Dana meant was Silva has to have a rematch with Weidman before any "superfight" can happen, I get it, but that wasn't the message I received. Am I wrong?

Where is the line drawn between This Fight Has To Make Sense/This Fight Just Needs To Be Entertaining?

The superfights were "superfights" because 1) They featured champions. 2) They featured fighters who hadnt lost in years. (Jones never not counting the Hammel DQ).

The Silva loss eliminates both of those factors.....right now. If Silva dominates Weidman most people will chalk that first loss to Silva's clowning and the talk about superfights will be back on.

To another point, people need to start taking Dana's words with a grain of salt. Remember back when UFC 116, Dana promised that the winner of Fitch/Alves would get the next WW title shot...that didnt happen.

Or when Dana said that the person who had the best perfomance between Machida/Rua/Bader/Vera at the 3rd Fox card would get the next LHW shot....that didnt happen

Or when after UFC 129, Dana said GSP would fight Silva next....that wouldnt happen.

Dana is a promoter. He will make whatever fight the fans want because that makes him money.

The problems with the examples you list is they neglect to factor in timing. The only reason Sonnen/Rua is taking place is because 1) Lil Nog got injured before 161 making Shogun available 2) Sonnen was willing to step in to take the fight at 161 but couldnt get a visa in time 3) Jon Jones said he wouldnt be ready to fight Gus on Aug. 17 and 4) because Sonnen/Rua are the biggest names available at that time.

The timing doesnt work for a superfight even if it made sense. Silva wants to fight before the end of this year. GSP is already booked and Jones would only have 2 mos to prepare for Silva. Also Silva wants to fight Weidman and avenge his loss.