Machida vs Shogun...UFC 104

[Rau71]

Re: Machida vs Shogun...UFC 104

Shogun vs. Liddell.....?

Really? Liddell??? Chuck 1-4 Glass Jaw Liddell? Chuck has been on the recieving end of Knock out of the night in 3 of his last 5 fights. Chuck is done, shouldn't even have been in that fight. IF that fight happened 2 or 3 years ago Chuck walks through that punch, now? Out Cold. And Rua's biggest problem has been conditioning, and that fight didn't get out of the 1st round.

[filmguy1974]

Re: Machida vs Shogun...UFC 104

Kind of boring to me - Rua doesn't deserve a title shot, but I guess they didn't have anyone else they felt did.

Why start caring about that now?

Machida was the first guy to get a crack at the LHW title in years that actually deserved it.

[wyrm187]

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Yes, Shogun is obviously on the decline at age 27. I guess being plauged with injury over the last two years has nothing to do with that.

Rua's young he's won a lot of fights he just doesn't impress me - the window for dominance is short in MMA, I think he hit in Pride and will be more of an average Joe in UFC - I just think Machida is really sharp right now and Shogun isn't , but that's why they have the fight right? just an opinion

[wyrm187]

Re: Machida vs Shogun...UFC 104

Or maybe those injuries have caused him to age faster, causing him to slide, and because he has been hurt so often maybe he can't go back to the Rua of the Pride days.

this ^^^

[aholbert32]

Re: Machida vs Shogun...UFC 104

Why start caring about that now?

Machida was the first guy to get a crack at the LHW title in years that actually deserved it.

Really? Evans didnt deserve a shot after beating Bonner, Liddell and Bisping but Machida deserved one after beating Ortiz and T. Silva? I think both deserved it but I think its hard to argue that Machida deserved it and Evans didnt.

[Rau71]

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Really? Evans didnt deserve a shot after beating Bonner, Liddell and Bisping but Machida deserved one after beating Ortiz and T. Silva? I think both deserved it but I think its hard to argue that Machida deserved it and Evans didnt.

If you count Bonner for Evans you have to count him for Machida too.

[aholbert32]

Re: Machida vs Shogun...UFC 104

If you count Bonner for Evans you have to count him for Machida too.

Sure. Count em for both. My point is they both deserved a shot.

[Rau71]

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Sure. Count em for both. My point is they both deserved a shot.

Rashad didn't beat Ortiz, it was a draw. And Tito lost a point for grabbing the fence too. It could have easily been a loss. But Bisping was a good win, kinda. I wouldn't have been surprised if the split went to Bisping.

[aholbert32]

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Rashad didn't beat Ortiz, it was a draw. And Tito lost a point for grabbing the fence too. It could have easily been a loss. But Bisping was a good win, kinda. I wouldn't have been surprised if the split went to Bisping.

I dont look at it like that and I dont think the UFC does either. A win is a win. A loss is a loss. A draw is a draw. Evans beat 3 top guys in the UFC and so did Machida. They both deserved the shots when they got them.

[filmguy1974]

Re: Machida vs Shogun...UFC 104

Really? Evans didnt deserve a shot after beating Bonner, Liddell and Bisping but Machida deserved one after beating Ortiz and T. Silva? I think both deserved it but I think its hard to argue that Machida deserved it and Evans didnt.

No. Decision wins against Bonnar and Bisping don't really amount to much of anything, IMO - neither guy has ever sniffed a title belt. Also- take into account a lackluster performance against Tito, and the only real win that gives Rashad any street cred going into his title fight is the one against a near 40-year-old Liddell who now gets knocked out almost every time he leaves the house.

Rashad didn't get his title shot because he was the most deserving guy- he got it because it gave Dana a chance to hype a TUF winner vs. TUF winner in a title fight.

For Lyoto- he absolutely creamed Soko, Tito, and T.Silva in a row leading up to his title shot. It's not just about listing out who you've beaten and playing the MMAth game on an internet forum - it's also about how good you look in the ring. Lyoto has looked damn near invincible for some time now. Rashad has been inconsistent, and has shown a tendency to fight down to the level of his competition.

[LP]

Re: Machida vs Shogun...UFC 104

Rashad didn't beat Ortiz, it was a draw. And Tito lost a point for grabbing the fence too. It could have easily been a loss. But Bisping was a good win, kinda. I wouldn't have been surprised if the split went to Bisping.

I don't think he ever said Shad beat Ortiz.

[LP]

Re: Machida vs Shogun...UFC 104

No. Decision wins against Bonnar and Bisping don't really amount to much of anything, IMO - neither guy has ever sniffed a title belt. Also- take into account a lackluster performance against Tito, and the only real win that gives Rashad any street cred going into his title fight is the one against a near 40-year-old Liddell who now gets knocked out almost every time he leaves the house.

Rashad didn't get his title shot because he was the most deserving guy- he got it because it gave Dana a chance to hype a TUF winner vs. TUF winner in a title fight.

For Lyoto- he absolutely creamed Soko, Tito, and T.Silva in a row leading up to his title shot. It's not just about listing out who you've beaten and playing the MMAth game on an internet forum - it's also about how good you look in the ring. Lyoto has looked damn near invincible for some time now. Rashad has been inconsistent, and has shown a tendency to fight down to the level of his competition.

A win is a win is a win. If a guy is undefeated in the UFC with those names on his record, he deserves a title shot. Since he won the title, I would say he was pretty deserving of the shot. He was good enough to beat the champ, right?

Who do you think should have fought Griffin?

[wyrm187]

Re: Machida vs Shogun...UFC 104

I'm curious as to who you think will win this fight - I'm obviously picking Machida - I want to see if any of you are picking Rua?

[aholbert32]

Re: Machida vs Shogun...UFC 104

No. Decision wins against Bonnar and Bisping don't really amount to much of anything, IMO - neither guy has ever sniffed a title belt. Also- take into account a lackluster performance against Tito, and the only real win that gives Rashad any street cred going into his title fight is the one against a near 40-year-old Liddell who now gets knocked out almost every time he leaves the house.

Rashad didn't get his title shot because he was the most deserving guy- he got it because it gave Dana a chance to hype a TUF winner vs. TUF winner in a title fight.

For Lyoto- he absolutely creamed Soko, Tito, and T.Silva in a row leading up to his title shot. It's not just about listing out who you've beaten and playing the MMAth game on an internet forum - it's also about how good you look in the ring. Lyoto has looked damn near invincible for some time now. Rashad has been inconsistent, and has shown a tendency to fight down to the level of his competition.

Thats a bit of revisionist history. 1) Now everyone says and realizes that Chuck is shot but nobody was saying that before the Evans loss. Most thought he was going to beat Evans especially since he was coming off the W. Silva victory. At the time, it was a very impressive win.

2) At the time when Evans got the shot, Machida hadnt beaten T. Silva yet. So his only major wins were against Soko (very overrated) and Ortiz (a decision win and a fight Ortiz almost won in round 3 w/ a triangle choke).

3) At the time, there was no one else who deserved a shot more than Evans. Machida hadnt KO'd Silva yet, Rampage just lost and was having personal issues, Chuck lost to Evans, Jardine just lost to W. Silva, Silva lost to Chuck. Henderson was coming off 2 straight losses. You have Evans who is undefeated and coming off a KO win of a former champion. Who the hell else deserved to get a shot then?

[aholbert32]

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I don't think he ever said Shad beat Ortiz.

I didnt.