Vadim: "We want to develop MMA. The UFC won’t be able to control the whole world."

[Wet Bandit]

Re: Vadim: "We want to develop MMA. The UFC won’t be able to control the whole world.

Now you know how the rest of us have been feeling.

Take care, man.

[uedamasa]

Re: Vadim: "We want to develop MMA. The UFC won’t be able to control the whole world.

Now you know how the rest of us have been feeling.

Take care, man.

Im clueless with your stories dude..

[goh]

Re: Vadim: "We want to develop MMA. The UFC won’t be able to control the whole world.

promoting crap? LOL, M-1 is a low profiled Org who doesnt do PPV and were developing up and coming unknown fighters FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD...

Name one they've developed that's main evented a PPV,won a significant championship or is at least well known whos last name isn't Emelianenko or Mousasi (even then I'm not sure he'd be considered well known).

[judgejudy]

Re: Vadim: "We want to develop MMA. The UFC won’t be able to control the whole world.

how can Vadim be a Scumbag when a guy like Fedor sides with him?, Vadim has been around MMA since 1997 when Dana was still an aerobics instructor and didnt give a damn on MMA. Vadim's M-1 global has been developing fighters and the sport in the grass root levels and not doing this PPV money making stuffs like all these American ORGS are doing just for the sake of money. M-1 global's agenda eversince is to develop MMA worlwide and give exposure to Internationally unknown fighters... Vadim > Dana

what i really want to know is why you always feel the need to mention this? for one, how do you know what dana thought about mma back in 97? and how is a person's opinion on something back in 97 relevant in any way to today?

[mgoblue]

Re: Vadim: "We want to develop MMA. The UFC won’t be able to control the whole world.

Not sure if this is allowed in a snakerattle/Fedor lovefest thread, but here's Yahoo's Kevin Iole laying it out...it's Fedor's fault now if he's not in the UFC. Dana's made great concessions, now Fedor has to:

http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news;_ylt=Ans9BNXqthflOH4McB9WsDg9Eo14?slug=ki-fedorufc073109&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

All right, back to your knees in front of Fedor/M1 boys, my interruption is over

[goh]

Re: Vadim: "We want to develop MMA. The UFC won’t be able to control the whole world.

Ortiz said the reason he opted to fight in the UFC is simple: Competition. "Who was I going to fight there?" Ortiz said. "I want to fight the best."

It's too bad Emelianenko doesn't have the same attitude.

Yes that about sums it up.

[Pro Bowler]

Re: Vadim: "We want to develop MMA. The UFC won’t be able to control the whole world.

M-1 is absolutely out of their ****ing minds. Check this out:

They want half of the UFC's profits for any event Fedor appears on. That's ridiculous. They say they're taking the risk and putting up half the money, but there's virtually no risk involved in any UFC card. They all turn a great profit. And they are essentially demanding that half of that profit be given to M-1.

That is not an unreasonable deal at all as long as Fedor remains champ. Let's be real, besides the Lesnar fight and even then really it's going to be Fedor selling the events as long as he's winning.

M-1 has Fedor for only 3 more fights. I doubt Fedor signs any deal outside the UFC that extends beyond these 3 fights. So if this deal doesn't get done with the UFC now it surely will after these 3 fights. Fedor's hands are tied right now and he pretty much has to agree with M-1 since he's under contract and M1 has made him good money outside the UFC.

Personally though i think it's a mistake if his management group doesn't make this deal happen because if he happens to lose one of these 3 fights outside the UFC his stock is going to drop dramatically and both Fedor and M-1 are going to be left out to dry. I think this deal eventually get's done and there is just some gamesmanship going on right now.

[Wet Bandit]

Re: Vadim: "We want to develop MMA. The UFC won’t be able to control the whole world.

That is not an unreasonable deal at all as long as Fedor remains champ. Let's be real, besides the Lesnar fight and even then really it's going to be Fedor selling the events as long as he's winning.

With all due respect, you are out of your freaking mind.

For that deal to make sense just in a strictly short-term financial way for the UFC, Fedor would have to bring in twice as many buys as would have resulted without him on the card. Considering Fedor has headlined three PPVs in the US which combined for less than 20% of what UFC 100 did by itself, you'll have a very hard time making that argument.

Seriously, I don't remotely understand why you think a largely unknown Russian who speaks no English and has zero charisma would be any sort of draw in the UFC, let alone a draw worthy of the UFC giving up half of an event's profits for.

You have totally lost all sense of objectivity when it comes to Fedor.

[The Chef]

Re: Vadim: "We want to develop MMA. The UFC won’t be able to control the whole world.

What the hell does the UFC have to gain by co-promoting? These other organizations have a lot to gain and virtually nothing to lose while the UFC will gain squat. Screw Fedor, let the guy sit out there and fight cans until he retires, if the idiots at M-1 think the UFC should open their doors and split the revenue 50/50 then they are complete ****ing idiots.

[aholbert32]

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That is not an unreasonable deal at all as long as Fedor remains champ. Let's be real, besides the Lesnar fight and even then really it's going to be Fedor selling the events as long as he's winning.

M-1 has Fedor for only 3 more fights. I doubt Fedor signs any deal outside the UFC that extends beyond these 3 fights. So if this deal doesn't get done with the UFC now it surely will after these 3 fights. Fedor's hands are tied right now and he pretty much has to agree with M-1 since he's under contract and M1 has made him good money outside the UFC.

Personally though i think it's a mistake if his management group doesn't make this deal happen because if he happens to lose one of these 3 fights outside the UFC his stock is going to drop dramatically and both Fedor and M-1 are going to be left out to dry. I think this deal eventually get's done and there is just some gamesmanship going on right now.

What events has Fedor sold? Does he have a PPV thats even done over 500,000? Lesner has 3 that have done over 750k. To be honest, I think Fedor would be the fourth most marketable fighter in the UFC behind Lesner, GSP and Chuck. There is no way I would do a copromotion with a fighter who isnt bringing in that much of an audiance.

[mgoblue]

Re: Vadim: "We want to develop MMA. The UFC won’t be able to control the whole world.

What events has Fedor sold? Does he have a PPV thats even done over 500,000? Lesner has 3 that have done over 750k. To be honest, I think Fedor would be the fourth most marketable fighter in the UFC behind Lesner, GSP and Chuck. There is no way I would do a copromotion with a fighter who isnt bringing in that much of an audiance.

The only way Fedor becomes the top draw is if he plows through the established UFC fighters who are proven PPV draws (like you mention). If he takes out Lesnar, Couture, and others, then the UFC fan will see his value, but as of now Fedor is not a big PPV draw. All the Fedor nuts all ready watch the PPV's anyways, it's the ability to grab the casual fan who only sees 5-6 fights a year, and IMO Fedor doesn't have that in the US.

[Wet Bandit]

Re: Vadim: "We want to develop MMA. The UFC won’t be able to control the whole world.

The only way Fedor becomes the top draw is if he plows through the established UFC fighters who are proven PPV draws (like you mention). If he takes out Lesnar, Couture, and others, then the UFC fan will see his value...

I don't even agree with that. Look at Anderson Silva. He came in and tore through one of the most popular fighters in the UFC twice and he's probably the worst draw of any top fighter in the UFC. Dana White has been telling anyone who will listen that he's the #1 P4P fighter, he's been an exciting fighter to watch for the most part, and he's still not a draw.

[mgoblue]

Re: Vadim: "We want to develop MMA. The UFC won’t be able to control the whole world.

I don't even agree with that. Look at Anderson Silva. He came in and tore through one of the most popular fighters in the UFC twice and he's probably the worst draw of any top fighter in the UFC. Dana White has been telling anyone who will listen that he's the #1 P4P fighter, he's been an exciting fighter to watch for the most part, and he's still not a draw.

That's a good point...it's not guaranteed. Even more reason the UFC would be stupid to give so much money to M1

[goh]

Re: Vadim: "We want to develop MMA. The UFC won’t be able to control the whole world.

That is not an unreasonable deal at all as long as Fedor remains champ.

Only he's not going to be champ of anything if he signs with the UFC. As I said before if they don't strip him of that belt Dana would throw it in the garbage first PPV possible or have a special showing on Spike just to trash it.