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    #421
    Re: UFC 112 1PM SPOILERS THREAD

    Originally posted by Stumbleweed
    Yeah, there were times when Maia was so rocked and beat up but Silva dimply didn't attack. It was a lot like that Hughes-Gracie fight, he had it in the bag and could've easily gone in and blasted him with a big flurry to get the ref to stop the fight but just kept waiting around for some reason. No killer instinct in this guy. Like Dana said, if you think you're Iron Mike in his prime, go out there and wreck the dude and get your check. It they're feeding him sub-par competition, he should go murder the guys and call out Dana for a better fight. He's just ruining his legacy with **** like this and making it hard for Dana to "reward" him with high-profile fights against his fellow Top 10 P4P guys. In a serious fight, I think he'd wreck St. Pierre, but after this bull**** he won't be fighting GSP for a while. And if he's serious about retiring at 35, he's done next year and we won't ever see those superfights thanks to this kind of crap.
    I hope he does not retire just for the fact I want to see him get slaughtered by Brock Lesnar. I truly hate Brock with a passion but I want to see Silva put in his place.

    There is no denying Silva's talent. But I don't think he could handle the incredible strength of Lesnar.

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    • ex carrabba fan
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      • Oct 2004
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      #422
      Re: UFC 112 1PM SPOILERS THREAD

      Character select animation?

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      • Bornindamecca
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        #423
        Re: UFC 112 1PM SPOILERS THREAD

        Originally posted by ex carrabba fan
        Character select animation?
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        • Stumbleweed
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          #424
          Re: UFC 112 1PM SPOILERS THREAD

          Born, Maia is a ground fighter. He would have to be a complete idiot to go running after Silva trying to punch him from the get-go. Even if he connected a few times, he doesn't have the hand power or skills to actually KO him or anything like that... His only hope from the jump was to grab a limb when Silva attacked and try to rip it off. It wasn't good matchmaking by Dana/Joe Silva because many people saw this coming (it was Leites Part 2 times a million)... but to suggest that an outmatched fighter who posses next to no standup game should push the fight by trying to attack perhaps the best standup fighter in the world is reaching.

          As a corollary, it's ridiculous that someone like Silva who is very skilled in both facets of the game and WAY better on the feet didn't take any kind of risk by pushing the fight when it was clear that Maia's heart was out of it (most of his "heart" was sent from his broken nose to that disgusting pocket underneath his eye in the 3rd round)... Maia's ability as a ground fighter to "push the fight" in a direction that is worthwhile for his skill set is far less than Silva's, which is the main issue for me. UFC fights start out standing, and so the stand-up fighter has the advantage from the jump because the fight is "in their world".... they basically have to make a mistake to allow the ground fighter to take them out of their comfort zone.

          Fighting is a 50/50 game in many ways... unless the CLEAR FAVORITE and dominant fighter does his damn job and knocks the **** out of the underdog, which is what happens most of the time. There was no way this fight was going to be a 50/50 engagement, it should've been a one-sided dismantling and an early finish, but the lack of killer instinct combined with Silva wanting to make a point made it a stalemate in the final 3 rounds.
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          • ex carrabba fan
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            #425
            Re: UFC 112 1PM SPOILERS THREAD

            Originally posted by Bornindamecca
            I'm still dead

            Had to be early line of the year on OS thus far

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            • Stumbleweed
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              #426
              Re: UFC 112 1PM SPOILERS THREAD

              Someone like Forrest who is always down for a scrap (and has KO power) was willing to basically go at Silva and try to strike with him... clearly that wasn't a good strategy, even for a very solid stand-up fighter. So you guys are expecing *** **** Demian Maia to make the same mistake, only about a thousand times worse since he has no hands to speak of? Silva should've finished him, it's not Maia's job to go chase him and get murdered, he tried to get his limbs when he attacked but was getting the **** beat out of him the whole time and couldn't get any real advantage. Plus it was like 100 degrees and humid there, so the ground fighter was at a disadvantage to begin with... it was a true "no-win" for Maia but Silva's arrogant *** didn't take the evening to its logical conclusion. Again, Maia did nothing wrong and at least tried to engage when it was clear that he wasn't winning and the crowd simply wanted something to happen, even at the risk of getting KTFO'd (which should've happened as soon as he tried getting aggressive if Silva truly had any killer instinct). Silva couldn't care less about that and basically gave the paying customers a middle finger for the last 2 rounds.
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              • Bornindamecca
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                #427
                Re: UFC 112 1PM SPOILERS THREAD

                I am well aware that Maia is a ground fighter. Everyone knows that, and if you didn't, they mentioned it during the entire fight. However, regardless of what your specialty is, once you are losing, it is your job to take risks to give yourself an opportunity to win.

                I'm not saying Maia should have jumped all over Silva, but he did not find an opportunity to do anything in the first two rounds, and paid the price in points and pain. After the third, he was clearly down, so once you get to the fourth round, he has to push it in some way. Close of space, try to clinch, get Silva to swing or something. In that fourth round, Maia didn't look like he tried to do anything to win back that fight, and people are letting him slide because Silva is better. Last I checked, Damien Maia was a professional mixed martial artist. He's supposed to be a warrior, yet people are defending him with "what was he supposed to do? Try to punch Anderson Silva and get knocked out?"

                Really look at that argument for a moment and think about it.
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                • Stumbleweed
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                  #428
                  Re: UFC 112 1PM SPOILERS THREAD

                  He did take risks! Walking anywhere near Silva after he demolished him for 2 rounds was a risk... Didn't you see him trying to engage Silva in the final 2 rounds? He was getting his *** rocked before that and wasn't really in any position to push the fight since he kept getting cracked in the teeth every time he got near Silva. What more do you want the guy to do? He's not a *** **** kamikaze, he has a career to think about. He was wading towards Silva but he kept backing away... is he gonna throw a damn ninja star at the guy?

                  Try to clinch? Are you kidding me? He would've had to literally run at Silva to even get a hold of him because the damn guy was just circling at full-speed in the other direction for the final 2 rounds. There was no way for him to do anything against a guy with a big reach advantage while he has a severely broken nose, one functioning eye, is working in 100-degree heat where he couldn't even choke him out if he managed to get it to the ground, and with the guy was literally running in the other direction. Silva was totally healthy and should've finished the fight, bottom line. Maia could barely see by the 5th round and yet was throwing shots from his knees just trying to do something when it was clear that he wasn't going to win the fight. That speaks to his heart, of which Silva has none. He actually caught Silva a few times late and surprised him, and Silva got the **** out of there and went right back to the running.
                  Last edited by Stumbleweed; 04-12-2010, 03:38 PM.
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                  • Phobia
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                    #429
                    Re: UFC 112 1PM SPOILERS THREAD

                    Originally posted by Bornindamecca
                    I am well aware that Maia is a ground fighter. Everyone knows that, and if you didn't, they mentioned it during the entire fight. However, regardless of what your specialty is, once you are losing, it is your job to take risks to give yourself an opportunity to win.

                    I'm not saying Maia should have jumped all over Silva, but he did not find an opportunity to do anything in the first two rounds, and paid the price in points and pain. After the third, he was clearly down, so once you get to the fourth round, he has to push it in some way. Close of space, try to clinch, get Silva to swing or something. In that fourth round, Maia didn't look like he tried to do anything to win back that fight, and people are letting him slide because Silva is better. Last I checked, Damien Maia was a professional mixed martial artist. He's supposed to be a warrior, yet people are defending him with "what was he supposed to do? Try to punch Anderson Silva and get knocked out?"

                    Really look at that argument for a moment and think about it.
                    How can u say Maia did not do anything in Rd 3 - 5. He literally followed Silva around the ring and even jestering "lets fight, why are u running" several times in frustration. The rounds Silva ran, Maia was in pursuit. He was not going to go in with no regard for safety but he was TRYING to attack.

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                    • Bornindamecca
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                      #430
                      Re: UFC 112 1PM SPOILERS THREAD

                      Originally posted by Stumbleweed
                      He did take risks! Didn't you see him trying to engage Silva in the final 2 rounds? He was getting his *** rocked before that and wasn't really in any position to push the fight since he kept getting cracked in the teeth every time he got near Silva. What more do you want the guy to do? He's not a *** **** kamikaze, he has a career to think about. He was wading towards Silva but he kept backing away... is he gonna throw a damn ninja star at the guy?

                      Try to clinch? Are you kidding me? He would've had to literally run at Silva to even get a hold of him because the damn guy was just circling at full-speed in the other direction for the final 2 rounds. There was no way for him to do anything against a guy with a big reach advantage while he has a severaly broken nose, one functioning eye, is working in 100-degree heat where he couldn't even choke him out if he managed to get it to the ground, and the guy was literally running in the other direction.
                      Clearly we saw two different fights. You saw the scrappy Damien Maia, doing everything in his power to beat big ol' mean ol' Emperor Silva. I saw a dude shook by a flying knee who did nothing but animate for at least 9 out of he last ten minutes.
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                      • aholbert32
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                        #431
                        Re: UFC 112 1PM SPOILERS THREAD

                        Originally posted by Bornindamecca
                        I am well aware that Maia is a ground fighter. Everyone knows that, and if you didn't, they mentioned it during the entire fight. However, regardless of what your specialty is, once you are losing, it is your job to take risks to give yourself an opportunity to win.

                        I'm not saying Maia should have jumped all over Silva, but he did not find an opportunity to do anything in the first two rounds, and paid the price in points and pain. After the third, he was clearly down, so once you get to the fourth round, he has to push it in some way. Close of space, try to clinch, get Silva to swing or something. In that fourth round, Maia didn't look like he tried to do anything to win back that fight, and people are letting him slide because Silva is better. Last I checked, Damien Maia was a professional mixed martial artist. He's supposed to be a warrior, yet people are defending him with "what was he supposed to do? Try to punch Anderson Silva and get knocked out?"

                        Really look at that argument for a moment and think about it.
                        Rewatch the fight. Maia pushed the pace as much as he could in rounds 4 and 5 with a busted nose and a closed eye. Kind of hard to do that when your opponent is dancing and running around the ring like Kalib Starnes.

                        To your earlier point, the reason why people are blaming Silva is because its the THIRD FIGHT out of four that he's pulled this crap. People here seem to have short memories. After the Leites fight, it was Leites that took the majority of the blame and thats the reason he is no longer in the UFC. People gave Silva a pass saying that Leites refused to engage and the same crap excuses you are giving him now. There are only two constants in the Cote, Leites and Maia fights and those are all three involved Silva and they were all **** fights that Silva gave the same BS apology at the end of the fight.

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                        • Stumbleweed
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                          #432
                          Re: UFC 112 1PM SPOILERS THREAD

                          I saw a severely outmatched fighter who couldn't see out of his damn eye or breathe out of his nose for 3 rounds trying to stop the crowd from booing and give an exciting fight against a pompous ******* who spend the first 2 rounds making a joke of the sport and mocking his opponent and the final 3 rounds running around avoiding the fight while trying to make a point to Dana White. I think that's what basically everyone else saw too. Finish the damn fight, Silva, you jerkass.

                          EDIT: I actually LOL'd at "try to clinch"... sitting here at my desk chuckling about how ridiculous that suggestion was. Clinch???? Ahahahaha...
                          Last edited by Stumbleweed; 04-12-2010, 03:45 PM.
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                            #433
                            Re: UFC 112 1PM SPOILERS THREAD

                            Originally posted by Stumbleweed
                            I saw a severely outmatched fighter who couldn't see out of his damn eye or breathe out of his nose for 3 rounds trying to stop the crowd from booing and give an exciting fight against a pompous ******* who spend the first 2 rounds making a joke of the sport and mocking his opponent and the final 3 rounds running around avoiding the fight while trying to make a point to Dana White. I think that's what basically everyone else saw too. Finish the damn fight, Silva, you jerkass.

                            EDIT: I actually LOL'd at "try to clinch"... sitting here at my desk chuckling about how ridiculous that suggestion was. Clinch???? Ahahahaha...
                            Perfectly said. I saw the same exact thing.

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                            • Bornindamecca
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                              #434
                              Re: UFC 112 1PM SPOILERS THREAD

                              Originally posted by Stumbleweed
                              I saw a severely outmatched fighter who couldn't see out of his damn eye or breathe out of his nose for 3 rounds trying to stop the crowd from booing and give an exciting fight against a pompous ******* who spend the first 2 rounds making a joke of the sport and mocking his opponent and closing his eye, and kicking his leg off, and possibly breaking his ribs.
                              Fixed.

                              I wish we could all watch this fight together, and play a drinking game. You guys would have to take a jager shot every ten seconds that passes while Maia remains in his Ryu animation. Ya'll would be blasted before the fifth round.


                              EDIT: You guys have actually answered my question. You all excuse Maia's performance because of the idea that he would get hurt if he was too aggressive towards Silva. I agree. So does Maia. Only difference is, I don't excuse it. If you can't attack a guy without getting KTFO, don't lace up. If someone can just hit you in the face, clown you in the ring, demand "where is your jiu-jitsu, show me your jiu-jitsu", and after all of that, you're helpless to do anything but "stalk" him and hope he makes a mistake, then just don't accept the fight.

                              However, if you DO accept the fight, then you gotta fight. Silva fought for two and a half rounds, bashed Maia's....well, his everything in, and then took the night off, to the great relief of one Mr. Damien Maia, who gave up on winning, and really just wanted to save face without extending his medical bills.
                              Last edited by Bornindamecca; 04-12-2010, 03:55 PM.
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                              • Stumbleweed
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                                #435
                                Re: UFC 112 1PM SPOILERS THREAD

                                I agree totally, he did all of those things. Then why didn't he do anything for the final 2 rounds to a severaly wounded opponent who was TOTALLY outclassed from the get, had no chance to ever submit him (especially given the conditions), and was wading in to his range trying to hit him with weak-armed strikes? Pisses me off to no end.

                                I was praying for a Pride yellow card...

                                Maia's Ryu animation was better than Silva's Usain Bolt animation.

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