UFC 112 1PM SPOILERS THREAD

[goh]

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Actually it wasnt that long ago that Fitch did actually fight on the prelims and people were wondering why it was. I believe it was his first fight after the whole debacle with the UFC getting his rights for the video game or something like that, so its not as if Fitch has always been on the main card.

I know but he's back on there now. That was UFC 94. Before that the last time he was on the undercard was UFC 68.

[The Chef]

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"There have been many times where the winner looks like the loser and the loser looks like the winner in terms of damage so what the hell does asking a doctor have to do with anything?"

There was never any point of that fight where Maia threatened Silva. Same can't be said the other way around so why don't you just calm down man.

Just so you know, for the record, that part was directed at born since he claimed I should ask Maia's doctor if he did the bare minimum, not at you.

[ex carrabba fan]

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Just so you know, for the record, that part was directed at born since he claimed I should ask Maia's doctor if he did the bare minimum, not at you.

I know Chef, but come on there's no reason to ask if anyone had just started watching MMA yesterday.

Anyway I just have to ask how Fedor would move ahead of Spider?

I still have Anderson on top of the list with GSP next

[Bornindamecca]

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Just so you know, for the record, that part was directed at born since he claimed I should ask Maia's doctor if he did the bare minimum, not at you.

Doesn't matter who you directed it at. Wrong is wrong. Silva tried, and succeeded, in doing a lot of physical damage to Damien Maia. Maia tried less and succeeded never in doing any damage to Silva. He did not win a single aspect of that fight, so your "winner looks like the loser" thing is kind of ridiculous in this situation.

[mgoblue]

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No matter what, we expect champions to put out their best effort, or at least attempt to fight at somewhere near there. For 3 straight fights Silva hasn't done this. He's won, but has coasted to decision victories.

Anyone who says that Silva gave these past 3 fights his all, well I just shake my head.

[ex carrabba fan]

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He fought smart and came out with three overwhelming victories. In every UFC fight he's fought extremely intelligent.

Not sure if you're including the Griffin fight, because Silva destroyed him.

In Silva's 11 UFC fights, only two have come by decision. Both of those were unanimous and both of them Silva dominated.

Giving it your all just sounds corny

[mgoblue]

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He fought smart and came out with three overwhelming victories. In every UFC fight he's fought extremely intelligent.

Not sure if you're including the Griffin fight, because Silva destroyed him.

In Silva's 11 UFC fights, only two have come by decision. Both of those were unanimous and both of them Silva dominated.

Giving it your all just sounds corny

Same thing happened in the Cote fight, Cote just happened to blow out his knee due to slipping while throwing a kick.

No matter what you want to say, Silva's coasting, costing himself money, fans, and the UFC's angry with him.

I guess you, he, and other people fail to realize that a part of MMA/Boxing is public relations and actually having fans. This leads to bigger PPV buys, endorsements, etc.

I'm just going to let this go, because people don't seem to understand that actually finishing a fight besides by decision is important, especially if you just stop giving a damn in the middle of the fight.

We can agree to disagree. I hope next fight Silva throws one punch first, breaks the guy's nose, and then dodges every attempted punch for the rest of the 25 minutes. He'd have dominated the fight and won via a well earned decision.

I really hope Silva adds a few new dance moves. Maybe it'll get new promotion if he can get Fox to change the name of their show to "So You Think You Can Silva"

[ex carrabba fan]

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I just stated the facts about his 11 bouts. He's fought 11 intelligent fights, and has dominated his bouts that went to decisions.

It's up to Dana and matchmakers to put on "exciting" fights. All fighters have one priority: win. Silva has done nothing but win since coming to the UFC and for the most part, he's dominated.

[mgoblue]

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Uh no how am I ignoring the business aspect? Did I say anything in regards to that

I just stated the facts about his 11 bouts. He's fought 11 intelligent fights, and has dominated his bouts that went to decisions.

It's up to Dana and matchmakers to put on "exciting" fights. All fighters have one priority: win. Silva has done nothing but win since coming to the UFC and for the most part, he's dominated.

Silva's doing something wrong...he has 3 fights that have completely turned off the fans. Us here commenting don't really matter, we'll watch no matter what. It's the casual fan who is now going to avoid a Silva main event because it's been so boring. Part of MMA is doing your best and trying to finish.

I just personally hope that all MMA fighters don't take your "fight not to lose" mentality and coast through matches. It'll start being like boxing to me and turn me off as a fan. What Silva has done is within the rules, just not something people want to watch. He's hemorrhaging fans like crazy right now and next contract it's gonna cost him.

[ex carrabba fan]

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Welp not every fighter has the same game plan. It's obvious Silva wants to avoid as much as possible. He doesn't want to be touched.

I don't blame him for that, he has a formula to win and it's worked 11 straight times.

Like I said it's now Dana's job to make sure this doesn't happen again. No more opponents who can't do a damn thing like Maia, Cote Leites, whom are just as much to blame as Silva for these "unfavorable" results.

[aholbert32]

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I just stated the facts about his 11 bouts. He's fought 11 intelligent fights, and has dominated his bouts that went to decisions.

It's up to Dana and matchmakers to put on "exciting" fights. All fighters have one priority: win. Silva has done nothing but win since coming to the UFC and for the most part, he's dominated.

What's funny is that Silva has complained about certain opponents the UFC was trying to pick for him. He hasnt made it easy for them to give him exciting fights. He complained when Marquardt and Henderson were being considered for a rematch even though they both arguably deserved one at that point. He complained that Belfort didnt derserve a shot so soon.

I think the biggest mistake that you and others are making is that you are overlooking how bad his subpar performances are affecting business. I cant see a casual fan wanting to buy another MMA PPV after being told he is the best fighter in MMA and watching Silva dance for 3 rounds. KO's and Subs bring in fans. Thats what people like to see. Thats what people like to spend money on. Good fights and finishes.

Since you blew off my Brock and Chuck comparison maybe you will understand a boxing analogy. Roy Jones, Jr and Mike Tyson were both dominant champs but if you look at the all time PPV buyrate top 20s you will find Tyson there a couple of times but dont see Jones. Why? Because boxing fans and casual fans prefer the guy who finishes fights. People werent willing to pay PPV dollars to watch someone outclass someone but never finish. Tyson's mystique and box office appeal came from fact that he finishes fights.

There is a reason that despite all these victories that Anderson Silva's PPVs are always among the year's lowest bought PPV's. His fights dont add fans. They dont keep fans either.

[Phillmattic]

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I have said repeatedly that what Silva did was unprofessional. You can question his character, but you can't question his abilities.

UFC knows that they can still make a ton of money with Silva, he's the best fighter in the world.

Same thing with GSP, he gets a ton of criticism for being a boring wrestler who doesn't finish his opponents. But yet he still is, and will continue to be one of the UFC's major draws.

The fans are fickle, you put big names in to the correct fights and the money will come pouring in. And all Silva needs is another spectacular finish, which he is also known for, and all is forgotten.

Tell me Silva vs GSP, two guys who have been under heavy criticism for being boring in their past fights, doesn't pull in a ton of money if it ever happens.

Rampage is another name being thrown around to fight Silva, that's definitely a big money fight.

Silva making his way to heavyweight, there would be major interest in that.

Unless the UFC does something incredibly stupid, like have him fight Chael Sonnen next, the only repercussion Silva could face is coming out to his next fight under a chorus of boos. Just like against Forrest, who he then KO'd in movie-like fashion, and everyone loved him again.

[ex carrabba fan]

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I'm not here to argue the PPV/business aspect of all of this.

That's a completely different argument that I don't care to get into because I quite frankly don't care.

All I will talk about is Silva's track record and what he did last night.

[Phobia]

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I completely agree Alhobert. Anderson Silva might of finally put the nail in the coffin for the hardcore fans of MMA. He completely disrespected the sport, the fans, the business partners, the UFC, and most importantly Dana White.

If I was Dana White, I would take his belt away. Put him against Brock like he supposedly wants and watch Brock destroy him. This is now 3 times at 185 he has done this. UFC 90, UFC 97 and now UFC112.

Put him against that big giant silver back and lets see how much he gets to dance around. Ungrateful SOB.

I won't order a Silva fight again. Hell 112 in general was a disgrace

[mgoblue]

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I'm not here to argue the PPV/business aspect of all of this.

That's a completely different argument that I don't care to get into because I quite frankly don't care.

All I will talk about is Silva's track record and what he did last night.

His last 3 title defenses have been wins, but boring as hell. Part of MMA is to entertain the fans and want to keep them watching. That's why the UFC makes so much money compared to some karate or BJJ championship. Yes, winning is tops, but you have to entertain the fans.

Look at the NHL when they had the left wing lock. Games got to be boring as hell due to the legal but not entertaining play. Just because something's ok by the rules doesn't make it right.